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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: maggie.mae on Monday 02 February 15 10:40 GMT (UK)
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Hi folks,
Is there any way I can find out if the William that married Eliza Widdowson is my William. All the census says he was born Willoughby,Nottinghamshire but all his siblings were Bap Notts St Marys.In 1814 the family were in Boot Lane,Notts. Also the sons were all Shoemakers and he was a Farmer. His parents were William Tuckwood and Elizabeth Granger. Is there another marriage or death that puts him in Nottingham?
I hope you can help
Maggie
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My immediate reaction is that the most likely candidate for a William TUCKWOOD married at Willoughby on the Wolds in 1827 is the William baptised there 5 May 1805 son of Joseph and Elizabeth. It matches the 1851 census entry for age, and in that there is a son Joseph.
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Hi Maggie,
There was 2 William Tuckwood christened in Willoughby on the Wolds one 25 Nov 1804 son of Joseph & Elizh and one 5 May 1805 son of Joseph & Elizabeth. Not sure if it 2 family's or not as cannot find a burial for the 1st William. Anyway its more likely that one of those William'a married Eliz Widdowson.
Christenings of Children for William and Eliza at Willoughby are: not sure if two familys William is down as a Farmer on all
2 Feb 1827 Elizabeth
14 Sept 1828 Ann
23 Sept 1832 Elizabeth
10 Oct 1833 William
17 Feb 1836 William
28 Oct Joseph John
17 May 1840 Joseph
Also found a burial for William Tuckwood at Willoughby on the Wolds on 9 Jan 1877 aged 72 (making him the one born 1805) abode was Burton on the Wolds. And his Wife Eliza was buried on 24 July 1888 aged 82yrs at Willoughby abode Burton on the Wolds
Wendy
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Nottsgirl
NFHS CD has only the 5May1805 baptism. What's the source for the other?
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John the 1804 one is on the Cd he is listed as Willm
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Sorry - I though I'd searched all the "William" variants
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That's OK John, There are more children for Joseph and Elizh/Elizabeth but not listed them unless Maggie what's them.
Wendy
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Hi Again,
Just been looking on my disc at the Tuckwood family of Nottingham the William son of William Tuckwood and Elizabeth Granger was born/Christened 16 Nov 1812 making him too young to be the one who married Eliza Widdowson.
Wendy
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Extended tree...........
William Tuckwood born/baptised in Exton Rutland 25 Nov 1787 married Elizabeth Granger B ? M. 24 Nov 1803 St Mary Radford ( bur 20 November 1825 St Mary's Radford)
8 children bap in St Marys ( 2nd child Ann was bap in 1807 in Exton) William being the 4th child bap ? married Sarah Jane Royce b Exton married in Exton 15 Dec 1835, Greetham in 1841 migrated in 1849 to the USA with 5 children ...Janesville Rock County, Wisconsin from 1850 census on and had 5 more children in Janesville
William died March 1860 49yrs Occ well digger, death caused by bucket dropping on head
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I have been doing a bit more investigating. The Tuckwoods appear to be a problematic bunch. There is a variety of information available on-line. If it were me, I would want to verify both the data and the logic behind the various published lines.
Are you trying to establish who Eliza Widdowson married, or are you trying to track WIlliam Tuckwood bapt Nottingham St Mary 1812? I think Wendy and I have independently concluded these are 2 different people.
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Thanks alot all. What I know.
William Tuckwood married Elizabeth Granger 24 November 1803. Notts St Marys
Children;Charles 1804 (bap 26 November 1810)
William 1806 (bap 16 November 1812)
Charlotte 1808 (bap 7 June 1808)
Eliza 1810 (bap 26 November 1810)
James 1811 (bap 26 November 1810)
John 1814 (bap 14 October 1814)
George 1817 bap 17 November 1822) My Grt Grt G'father
All the children were baptised at Notts St Marys.Indexes show William's parents were William Tuckwood and Amy Dring married in Welby Lincs.Sister Mary,brother Thomas. Thomas died 1798,Amy died 1799 Welby.There is a marriage of a William Tuckwood to Elizabeth Bee 1800 in Rauceby Lincs.Is this William senior re-marrying or William junior.If junior,not my William.
The Rutland Tuckwood family are a different thread. They were farmers, my William was a shoemaker.He died between 1834 and 1835 but can't find a burial.
I've sorted all the others out but its just William 1806 I can't find.
Thanks for your help
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
I'm going into Nottingham Library sometime this week (if it doesnt snow) so will have a look at the marriage records of the two William's but I think you can rule out the Willoughby Tuckwoods and I'll look for the burial in 1825 that iluleah has mentioned.
Wendy
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Hi Wendy,
The burial of 1825 is that of Elizabeth Granger wife of William Tuckwood. Thank you for looking for the marriages, it is most appreciated. I live in Skegness so I can't get to Notts as often as I would like.
I've sorted the other children out apart from Eliza - bap.26 November 1810 Notts St Marys and William - bap 16 November 1812 Notts St Marys. Anything you can find will be great.
I use Ancestry,FreeReg.Family Search and FreeBMD but none of them have the info.Do you know where I can get a CD of "England Deaths & Burials 1538 - 1991" and "England Births and Christenings 1538 - 1975" I found the info on "My Heritage" but I don't want to subscribe to another site.
Thanks again
Maggie
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Thank you John,
Many trees give the info that William 1806 married Eliza Widdowson but I couldn't prove that it was my William, therefore I have been trying to find another marriage in Nottingham but to no avail.
Any help is appreciated.
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
I managed to nip into the library today and looked at the two marriages first William Tuckwood and Elizabeth Granger St Mary's Nottingham 24 Nov 1803 says both of this parish (St Marys) witnesses were Henry Daycock and James Smith (he was on a lot of marriages maybe church warden).
Second was William Tuckwood and Elizabeth Widdowson Willoughby on the Wolds says both of this parish (Willoughby) witnesses were John widdowson and Sarah? Barrett (not sure if its Sarah was hard to read).
The burial of Elizabeth Tuckwood in 1825 says of Cross St, aged 30, if that's right to young to be Elizabeth Granger as that would have made abt 8yrs of age when she married William Tuckwood.
i'll be going into the library again sometime over the next few weeks so will see if I can find anything else for you.
Wendy
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Thanks Wendy,
Is this of any help............
1814 William living at Boot Lane Notts - Shoemaker
1822 Living at Cross St Notts - Shoemaker
1825 Living at Cross St Notts - aged 46yrs (1779?)
1834 Living at Beck Lane Notts - Shoemaker
Newspaper article..........Murder in Beck Lane....1834? Sarah Tuckwood wife of William Tuckwood Shoemaker called to give evidence. Found marriage of Sarah King and William Tuckwood in 1829.
William 1779 or William 1806?
Could the burial age of Elizabeth be mis-transcribed? 1833 burial of Elizabeth Tuckwood is in Willoughby. ???
This Family History is soooooooo much fun!!!!
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
Anything helps. I'll check the 1829 marriage next time I'm in the Library also will check the 1825 burial. The burial in of the Elizabeth Tuckwood in Willoughby was in 1834 and she was 23yrs of age making her born 1811 and I think she may be the daugther of Joseph and Eliz Tuckwood born 13 Aug 1811.
Do you have your William 1779 or 1806 on any census records if so could you give me the details as I cannot access census records.
Wendy
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A key census is, I think 1851, Willoughby. It has
William Tuckwood aged 46 born Willoughby
Eliza 44 born Willougby
and the children listed by Wendy at reply#2
There are 3 William Tuckwood marriages I've found in the 1820s
William & Eliza Willoughby 1827 - the family above
William & Sarah King, Radford 1829 - matches your newspaper evidence
William & Dorothy Slack 1830 Selston. They are in 1841 census Heanor with a son Benjamin aged 7.In 1851 he is at Basford, with son Benjamin aged 17.
I am puzzled by you data at reply 10. We appear to have an 1803 marriage then baptisms
Charlotte 1808
Eliza, Charles, James 1810
William 1812
John 1814
George 1822
I accept there is a gap between marriage and first baptism. The baptism pattern above is a typical one of a child every 2 years, with the exception of 1810. If they were playing "catch-up" at that stage why wasn't William included. What is the source for saying William was born 1806 and Charles 1804?
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And a wider look at census data:
In 1841 I have found in the East Midlands 6 William Tuckwoods. In age order, with estimated year of birth and census place
1771 Ab Kettleby
1786 Ab Kettleby
1801 Heanor
1806 Willoughby
1811 Greetham
1811 Old Dalby
In 1851 there are only 3. I can see burials at Meton Mowbray in 1842 and 1844 which may account for the first 2, though I have no definitive link. Then
1797 Basford - matches 1801 Heanor
1805 Willoughby - matched 1806 Willoughby
1809 Dalby - matches 1811 Old Dalby
In 1861 there are the same 3
1797 Basford
1806 Willoughby
1809 Old Dalby
1797 doesn't fit a 1806 birth /1811 baptism. Wendy and I believe the 1805/6 Willoughby is the son of Joseph and Elizabeth at Willoughby. 1809 Dalby is sometimes William H, for which there is (IGI) a possible non-conformist baptism at Broughton Sulney. The odd one out is 1811 Greetham - Iluleah's data seems to account for him. Do we have a birthplace for him from a US census?
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Hello John,
Primarily I got the births off Family Trees but later verified them at Notts Archives,each index gave the parents as William Tuckwood and Elizabeth Granger.I also confirmed it with the census's but some info was not available.
Do you know how I can find out where people were living and the children of marriages after 1911,please?
Hello Wendy,
no I don't have census for William 1806 or Eliza 1810.Can't find Burials either. If you want any info from a census just ask,I will look up for you.
Maggie
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Maggie
I'm sorry to be picky, but when you say you confirmed the births is that the baptism date or is there a birth date given?
John
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Hi,
The reason I asked abt census was that in your first post mentioned census. William Tuckwood born 1806 Willoughby moved to Burton on the Wolds and is there on 1871 census. So as we already know we can rule out Willoughby Tuckwood's.
So there are no census then for the Tuckwood's of St Mary's Nottingham. As for dates of birth unless they are mentioned on christenings you would not get them and there is no date of birth on any of the St Mary's christening's.
Wendy
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Hi John and Wendy,
The birth year was confirmed by census and known marriage,bap year was confirmed by Free Reg and Notts Archives. I got census for Charles 1804,James 1810,John 1814 but not sure if marriage is correct to Sarah Hemsley East Leake 1841 living in East Leake Shoemaker and George 1817 (1822)
.........and you're not being picky,John,just doing a brill job helping me. This is the part of my family where I have hit a brick wall so anything anyone can find out for me I appreciate.
William Tuckwood 1755 that married Amy Dring on the 13 July 1779 at Welby Lincs........on the marriage index it said he was from Manthorpe near Grantham. There was a Thomas Tuckwood also living in Manthorpe who married Sarah Chambers 1783.There was a William and Thomas born Sproxton not far from Manthorpe.I can't find another William born 1779ish in Nottingham except Willoughby and that William died 1800.Do you think it could be the right one? If so he must have gone to Nottingham after Amy died but what happened to his dad.(1755)
Maggie ???
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Maggie
I hope you'll allow me to summarise where I think we are. The original question is, essentially, "what becomes of William Tuckwood baptised 16Nov1812 Nottingham St Marys.
We are fairly sure that he is not any of the William Tuckwoods we can find in the East Midlands in the 1851 or later census.
There is a William Tuckwood married 1829 Radford to Sarah King. Newspaper evidence in 1834 places them in Nottingham, but we are unable so far to trace a William Tuckwood married to a Sarah in any census.
We do have in 1841 William Tuckwood of Greetham, aged 30. However wife given as Jane aged 20, children Elizabeth 4 and Mary Ann 11 months. Given the wife's name and age of eldest child I don't think this could be the 1829 marriage.
So as things stand this 1829 couple seem to vanish.
I think what needs to established next is the identity of the William Tuckwood of the 1829 marriage. It seems a bit early to be William bapt 1812. Does the full record have anything more than we curently know? If we had an age for that William, or Sarah, we might progress what happened to them.
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Hello John,
We have "William Tuckwood 1806/1812" and "William Tuckwood 1779 married to Elizabeth"
In Deardons Dir.of Notts 1834 there is an entry on p.72 Boot and Shoemakers Tuckwood C.and W.Beck Lane.This is Charles 1804 and William 1779.Charles took on an Apprentice 1838 a Thomas Cooper,and William had died before George 1817/1822 got married according to the marriage cert of 1839.
There is a Sarah Tuckwood 1790 who married a William Kidson Aug 1835 at Notts St Marys.1841/1851 census. She was a Widow as she had stepchildren.She is living at Beck St 1841 and 1851. I've tried to find burials between 1834 and 1835 for both Williams but none are to be found.
The full record for William and Sarah says "4th March 1829 Radford Nottingham"
Maggie
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That suggests, but at the moment does not entirely prove, that Sarah King married William Tuckwood senior, and he died 1834 or 1835. NFHS CD doesn't give her status - parish record should.
I don't know the various Notts indexes well enough to comment, but a general observation is that baptisms and burials are usually more comprehensively indexed than burials. So the fact that you cannot a burial for William snr is not entirely surprising. And if you cannot find William snr, is it possible Wm jnr was also buried but that the burial is not indexed?
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Hi Maggie and John,
Been to the Library this morning had a look at the 1829 marriage of William Tuckwood and Sarah King says both of this parish (St Peter's Radford) William signed and Sarah put an x. I compared William's signature with the signature on the 1803 marriage and can confirm that it's not the same William. So could be William junior if 1806 is right for birth. Witnesses does not help as they were Joseph Flooke (that's what it looked like) and James Dring.
Marriage of Sarah Tuckwood and William Kidson 2 Aug 1835 says both of parish he signed she put x witnesses were Ann Gee and the other one I could make it out, does not say if she was a widow.
Also had a look at the marriage of Charles Tuckwood & Hannah Jackson 10 March 1828 he signed she put an x. witnesse was Eliza Tuckwood and Robert ?.
Found marraige of Eliza Tuckwood to Thomas Hall 5 May 1829 St Marys he signed and she put x witnesses Charles Tuckwood and Elizabeth Hall.
Burial of Elizabeth Tuckwood 1825 does say 30yrs of age.
Wendy
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Don't know if you have seen this from the National Archives web site or if it's the William we are looking for :
WILLIAM TUCKWOOD Born NOTTINGHAM, Nottinghamshire Served in 45th Foot Regiment ...
Reference: WO 97/602/14
Description:
WILLIAM TUCKWOOD
Born NOTTINGHAM, Nottinghamshire
Served in 45th Foot Regiment
Discharged aged 33
Date: 1835-1849
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
Legal status: Public Record
Language: English
Wendy
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Full record (available on findmypast) says born parish of St Marys, Nottingham!
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hi John,
Snap I just found that too but don't have access to full record worth someone looking at I'm not sure want details it gives.
Wendy
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Attested at Nottingham 26Dec1835 aged 18yrs 11months. So who is he?
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So that makes him born Jan 1816, the plot thickens!
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Why is that every time I feel we might be starting to loosen a brick in this wall something comes out and reinforces it instead?
I have had a more detailed look at all the children baptised St Marys 1808-1822. In baptismal order:
Charlotte bapt 1808 buried 1823 aged 15 So far so good, but then....
Charles bapt 1810. 46 in 1851 census, 56 in 1861. So born 1804/5. Marries 1828.
Eliza bapt 1810. Married Thomas Hall 1829, Eliza Hall wife of Thomas in Cross St in 1851, aged 45. Born 1806 ?
James bapt 1810. 39 in 1851 census (so born after baptism!) possibly buried 1861 aged 54???
William - don't have a clue!!!!
George bapt 1822, 34 in 1851 census, 44 in 1861, 63 in 1871. So born 1816/7. Marries 1839.
The overall impression is that we cannot assume the more usual birth not long before baptism, and some of them are pretty unreliable at recording their ages.
Turning now to Elizabeth buried 1825. The record says 30 at death, but she was of Cross St., as was baptism of George. The only NFHS CD marriage that generates an Elizabeth Tuckwood is 1803. I cannot see a possible matching baptism.
I have also been pursuing Sarah Tuckwood. NFHS CD does not have a suitable baptism. In 1841 she is 50, in 1851 she is 61, born Norwich. She would have been 39 in 1829, so it would look odd if she married William jnr even if he were born 1806. There is no evidence of Tuckwoods in Norfolk, so making it likely she was a widow in 1835. The only NFHS CD marriage generating a Sarah Tuckwood is 1829.
Have we reached the stage where we have to say that either there are potential gaps in the data that mean we can't sort it out, or alternatively that the dats is sufficiently inconsistent that we can't sort it out?
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Age 19 in Jan 1836, so born Jan 1817
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Late to the party so I'm sorry if I raise some questions that have already been answered - this is a confusing hunt!
I got confused very early on (part of the reason I didn't join in) as the first post clearly talks about William T of Willoughby, a farmer; then subsequenly there is the comment (#10) "My William was a shoemaker" -- I'm still not clear, despite several readings, as to whether the OP is looking for William of Willoughby or whether he has been scrapped as a potential candidate (I incline to the latter!)
What is evidence for the years of birth (as opposed to the years of baptism) for William and Elizabeth's children at St Mary's (#10)? How do we know that William was born in 1806?
The Notts FHS CD reinforces that the Elizabeth Tuckwood of Cross St who was buried in 1825 was 30. However, there was also a Charlotte Tuckwood of Cross St buried in 1823, and she was 15 - this would fit with the William T / Elizabeth Granger family (Charlotte bapt 1808). So is this the right Elizabeth but wrong age? Or were there 2 Tuckwood families in Cross St??
A date of death between 1834-1835 is suggested for William Tuckwood but which William does this refer to?
As I said, I'm sorry if this seems repetitive but the thread seems very tangled and I think some points as above need clarification.
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Welcome,Annie!!!! Thank you soooooo much,John and Wendy, you are really working hard for me on this one. I've been trying to break down this wall for over 2 years.
1834 - 1835 death - William 1779 (Elizabeth Granger)
James bap 1810 - 1841 - Living Southwell with 3 other men Shoemaker aged 32.1851 living with his brother George - Shoemaker.Died 1861
Evidence of births - all I have is what I found at Notts archives.
Thank you for Eliza's marriage.
James Dring - Witness- William's (1779) mother was Amy Dring.
Maggie
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Annie
Welcome to the community of the puzzled (or should that be confused?). I'll give my take on where we are, not least because each time I review it something else pops out at me.
I interpreted the original question as "is there any possibility WT of Willoughby is the WT son of WT and Elizabeth Grainger of Nottingham St Marys". I think we've all concluded no.
The question then becomes "what happened to WT jnr of Nottingham St Mary"
Your next question - what is the evidence for birth dates of WT snr and EG's children - see reply 32. Also Maggie's last reply giving James as 32 in 1841. My own view is that the 1806 for William was introduced by someone (it's on worldconnect) who has wrongly equated WT jnr of St Marys with WT of Willioughby. But as I think you've picked up it's all a mess.
My reply also omitted John. There is John Tuckwood cordwainer aged 25 at East Leake in 1841, but in 1851 he's in Loughborough and gives his birth place as Leake. Marriage at East Leake 1836. Also in 1814 there is a John Tuckwood butcher in Nottingham St Mary. Can't at the moment find him in 1851.
That has a bearing on your next question- 1 or 2 Tuckwood families in Nottinghams St Mary. If Leake birthplace is correct, then still no argument for 2.
The potential 1834/5 burial for a WT comes from me. It follows from an examination of the 1829 marriage; the 1835 marriage of Sarah Tuckwood to William Kidson, and subsequent data on Sarah Kidson. I can't find a Sarah Tuckwood baptism, Sarah Kidson in 1851 census is born Norwich. There aren't Tuckwoods in Norfolk. Only marriage I can find to give a Sarah Tuckwood is 1829. So it all suggests that in 1835 she was a widow of WT. That implies a WT burial but we can't find it. Which WT? I find it difficult to believe it's WT jnr. He's around 20 in 1829, Sarah Kidson / Tuckwood / possibly King would be 39. This hypothesis also requires the burial age for Elizabeth to be wrong, but we can't see another Elizabeth Tuckwood. The overall theory is
Elizabeth Tuckwood (Grainger) dies 1825
WT snr marries 1829 Sarah King
WT snr dies around 1845/35
Sarah Tuckwood marries William Kidson 1835
but it really is speculation.
And it still leaves the question of where William jnr is. Wendy's found the discharge record, but that William seems to have attested aged 18 in 1835 and be born Jan 1817. Is there any reason Wm jnr would have understated his age to sign up? He appers to hav ebeen examined at Chathom Nov 1849, but I can't see him in 1851 census. There is in FreeBMD a Wm Tuckwood died at Nottingham 1850, but that is not on the NFHS CD.
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Hi All,
I don't think that WT snr is the one who married Sarah King I looked at his signature on that marriage and the one on his 1803 marriage and they are totally different. As we cannot find a burial for him or WT jnr I wonder if they are buried in the General Cemetery that opened in 1837 but cannot check those records until Nottingham Archives reopens in the spring.
If any of you would like copy's of the Church records I can get them next week when I go to the library again and email them to you just let me know.
Wendy
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I would appreciate the copies of the Church records,Wendy,and I've found another Tuckwood marriage. 7th August 1796 Abraham Tuckwood and Elizabeth Selby married St Nicholas Notts St Marys.
Maggie
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It doesn't help with the 1806/12 William but here is the Lincolnshire marriage of William Tuckwood and Amy Dring in 1779
http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=542149&iid=181944
(by the way what evidence do we have that these are the parents of William Snr? I was wondering if perhaps some burials took place in Lincs if the family was originally from there)
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I have found why John Tuckwood butcher doesn't appear in 1851 census. He was murdered in August 1850 - multiple press reports.
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The report in the Notts guardian would seem to suggest that he died as a result of being extremely drunk!
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There is a copy of George's marriage cert online; Oct 25 1839, and he does confirm that his father (Willima Tuckwood, cordwainer) was deceased.
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OK will look at that marriage and get copies of records. There's also a Thomas Tuckwood & Ann Collington at St Marys on 3 Oct 1814. Odd that there is no christenings of Children for this Thomas or Abarham.
Wendy
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There is the burial of John Tuckwood in 1835 at Nott St Mary, age 57 -- abode Fine St -- clutching at straws I know, but I can't find any other John Tuckwoods of suitable age on any of the indices and I am beginning to wonder if this was William and the register is incorrect.
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Annie that's a good thought could be William, age is right for birth of 1779 and sometimes names are recorded wrong I've a few of those myself.
Wendy
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so can we link the familhy to Fine St at all? Is any of them there in 1841?
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By the way I've asked Sunflower to look in her index of Settlement Certificates and Removal Orders for any Tuckwood's, well you never know!
Wendy
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That's the only time Fine St has shown up so far.
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no sign of any wills on Ancestry or National Archives.
There are 2 wills listed for Sarah Tuckwood in Lincolnshire in the 1850s but neither available to download.
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William Tuckwood shoemaker of Cross St, is in the Glover's 1825 trade directory but I can't see him in subsequent trade directories :(
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Inquest on john Tuckwood died 1850 says died of water on the brain having had a epileptic fit. He was aged 35yrs making him born abt 1815.
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---- which fits with the 1814 baptism of Elizabeth and William's son John.
Has anyone been able to look at the marriage record of William T and Sarah King in Radford in 1829? See who the witnesses were?
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Marriage details on pg 3 Repley#26
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Wendy
Similarity of signatures proves it is likely to be the same person, but does disimilarity prove it's not ?
John
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Can someone with a clearer head than me do another brief summary? I think I've lost sight of what it is we're trying to find ------
(it doesn't help with at least 3 Williams - one who married in Lincs in 1779, one who married Elizabeth Granger and had a string of children in St Marys and one who was bapt 1812. Which one of these are we now trying to confirm? It would be helpful to state which William we're referring to when it's not immedatiely clear - maybe W1, W2 and W3!))
(and what about Iluleah's post on the first page? This suggests a different pathway altogether)
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We do have in 1841 William Tuckwood of Greetham, aged 30. However wife given as Jane aged 20, children Elizabeth 4 and Mary Ann 11 months. Given the wife's name and age of eldest child I don't think this could be the 1829 marriage.
If for nothing else but to eliminate/clarify her age and name
From the real parish records in Exton:
William Tuckwood, married Sarah JANE Royce at St Peters and St Pauls Exton 15 Dec 1835 both didn't read/write and Sarah JANE Royce was baptised in the same church on 6 Feb 1818
She was known as Jane in 1841 census in Greetham Rutland U K and 1850, 1860, 1870, 1880 census in Janesville Rock County, Wisconsin USA she died 20 Oct 1893 buried 23 Oct 1893 and in her orbit it calls her Mrs Jane Tuckwood
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Hello Annie,
William 1 - Married Amy Dring 13 July 1779 Welby Lincs
William 2 - Son of the above born 17 October 1779 Welby Lincs Possible marriage to Elizabeth Granger but can't prove the same William. Trying to find a Nottinghamshire born William but no luck.
William 3 - Son of William Tuckwood and Elizabeth Granger bap 16th November 1812.
Maggie
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"Trying to find a Nottinghamshire born William but no luck."
So to Recap........
As previously mentioned, if your William declares he was born in Willoughby on all the census's, I cannot see the problem with this one.
Willoughby baptism
5-5-1805 William son of Joseph and Elizabeth Tuckwood.
With siblings
25-11-1804 Willm.
19-11-1806 Isaac
25-8-1811 Elizabeth
Marriage Willoughby
12-2-1827 William Tuckwood and Eliza Widdowson.
7 children baptised in Willoughby with parents William and Eliza, the father listed on all as a farmer.
Marriage Wysall (2.7.miles from Willoughby)
22-10-1804 Joseph Tuckwood and Elizabeth Bosworth
and burials also at Willoughby
9-1-1877 William Tuckwood aged 72 abode Burton on the Wolds
24-7-1888 Eliza Tuckwood aged 82 abode Burton on the Wolds
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This is probably a silly question, and it is undoubtedly clutching at straws, but has anyone looked at the original PR for the burial of John in 1835? It is just about possible that a badly written Wm is read as John.
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Marriage Wysall (2.7.miles from Willoughby)
22-10-1804 Joseph Tuckwood and Elizabeth Bosworth
I would be interested to know more about this Joseph.
He also had a son called Isaac bapt Wysall 1806. Isaac was a cordwainer too; and in the 1841 census, was living in East Leake, where another cordwainer called John Tuckwood also lived - I think John, from his age, was probably the one bapt 1814 in St Mary.
A cordwainer was a skilled trade and as we've seen, it was not uncommon for sons to follow fathers in this. And Tuckwood was not a common surname. It seems very coincidental to me that Isaac and John should share the same surname and carry out the same trade in the same village.
Isaac's father Joseph is listed as a property owner in East leake through the 1840s but I cannot find him on the 1841 census. (of course he may not have been living in E Leake himself). I would like to see if Joseph was a cordwainer, and if he was born in county (there are no suitable baptisms in Notts on the CDs). I just wonder if Joseph and William 2 were brothers.
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1834 Deardens Directory -
Tuckwood Wm - Beck Lane Notts
Tuckwood C. - Beck lane Notts
Maggie
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Annie
Re John Tuckwood of East Leake - he's in Loughborough in 1851 and gives his birthplace as Leake. 1841 has another John Tuckwood, Butcher in St Marys. See reply 36 for detail.
John
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Annie the Isaac you mention "He also had a son called Isaac bapt Wysall 1806." was actually baptised in Wysall 13-12-1807 the 1806 Isaac was baptised in Willoughby as I stated on my last reply
"Willoughby baptism
5-5-1805 William son of Joseph and Elizabeth Tuckwood.
With siblings
25-11-1804 Willm.
19-11-1806 Isaac
25-8-1811 Elizabeth"
The other Wysall baptisms are 22-6-1806 Joseph
26-3-1809 Anne
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Hi Annie,
I looked into the possibility of the death of William Tuckwood 1779 being John Tuckwood died Fine St aged 57yrs and there was a Fyne St,near to Beck St where William was a Shoemaker.
I think that is him.
Many thanks
Maggie