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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: kingskerswell on Monday 02 February 15 12:03 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am helping my wife researching a Downs-Martin family for a friend of hers. There was a rumour that the family came from Ireland at one time. I have found a well to do family in the 1901 census in Tipperary http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Borrisnafarney/Killoskehan/1701614/
Can anyone tell me some more about this family? I believe that the lady's husband was or had been Captain Edward Downes-Martin
Regards
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Fathers name from this birth
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBN1-H2G
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Wife's name
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=3435
Ellen Isabel Mary Martin
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014914/005014914_00166.pdf
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John Staples Irwin ?
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tyrone/Dungannon/Howard_Terrace/1739850/
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tyrone/Dungannon/Howard_Terrace/868698/
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An Edward Downes Martin died at Shrigley Hall,Co Down on 30 Dec 1923, Captain in H M Army.
no idea how old or if same man.
search archives
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
George Turner Harley,solicitor.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Downpatrick/English_Street/237179/
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looks like him 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Killyleagh/Shrigley_Village/1231101/
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Coincidence ?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVH3-JLZ4
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Martin Edward Downes of Shrigley Hall Shrigley county Down captain H.M. Army died 30 December 1923 at the Mansion Beckenham Park Kent Probate Belfast 21 March to George Turner Harley solicitor. Effects £185 12s. 7d.
Martin Edward Gawin Downes of 35 High Street Poole county Dorset died 25 September 1936 in Spain Probate London 30 November 1936 to Lily Downes Martin the widow. Effects in Northern Ireland £60 15s. 3d. Re-sealed Belfast 27 January.
Martin Rose Lily Downes otherwise Lelia Downes of The Marteens Mudeford and of Shrigley Mudeford Christchurch county Hants widow died 3 September 1933 at Shrigley Probate London 29 December 1933 to George Kinmouth and William Barker Roze. Effects in Northern Ireland £51 15s. 7d. Re-sealed Belfast 26 October.
http://applications.proni.gov.uk/DCAL_PRONI_WillsCalendar/WillsSearch.aspx
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Dathai and Aghadowey,
You have both been brilliant as usual and from information which my wife found Edward Downes -Martin was married twice, his first wife having died. All the information you both have found relates either to his first wife and children or to his second wife and children who lived in England.
Again, Many Thanks
Regards
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A 29 page Will of John Martin 1876 Belfast on P R O N I Calendars
Think he''s Edward's grandfather.
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Hi Dathai,
It certainly seems to be. I shall now spend the evening trying to translate!! Many Thanks.
Regards
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Think i saw these two mentioned in that Will
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3KW-SN9
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014912/005014912_00416.pdf
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5RW-2G6
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Staples Irwin burial plot
http://www.discovereverafter.com/plot/156088
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William Martin,Devon 1891
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014906/005014906_00288.pdf
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Dathai,
You are working far too much overtime but don't stop!!!!!! Many many thanks.
Regards
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3 page Will John Staples Irwin 1917 P R O N I Calendar
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John Moore Irwin married Jane Deane Staples 22/6/1819 Castlecaulfield,Co Tyrone
http://www.estes-eastes.org/ft/irwin-other.html
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Thomas Staples Irwin 1913 P R O N I Calendar
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Dathai,
I am overloaded !!! It has just taken me one and a half hours to transcribe the first page of John Martins will, It is going to cost that friend of my wife's a large number of beers to get me to do the other 28 pages. However , now I think that I deserve a glass of wine.
Yet again, to you and Aghadowey many thanks for your efforts all through the afternoon.
Regards
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Two more Will's
sisters
Eliza Simkins 19 Nov 1889
Catherine Amelia 24 June 1891 both on P R O N I Calendar
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Try and get your head around this lot
http://www.johnolsen.org.uk/book/info/n29nor.htm
Eliza Simkin
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/fb33480115984
Anthony Lacam Simkins
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f3f7910540384
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found this headstone
http://www.historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?id=522&page=95&prevStartQuery=470&theme=Infant&Send=Send
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Dathai,
Again , many thanks. My wife is now trawling Canadian records looking for the birth of Edward Downes Martin, father John, who appears to have been born in Toronto. So far no luck but most of it is away over my head.
Regards
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Another son
Samuel Martin died 15 Oct 1872 a widower apparently no next of kin left 1200 poinds to his father John Martin J P of Shrigley only next of kin. no image on wills calendar.
Samuel Martin esq Killyeagh social function in red
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/M/MartinSZ.htm
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His marriage
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGCD-5YJ
Martha died 10th Sep 1870 will on P R O N I very hard to read some text missing but mentions Robert Norris Dale.
Edit
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2448991/pdf/ulstermedj00060-0044.pdf
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A very recent visitor
http://www.thedownrecorder.co.uk/pages/?title=Family_renews_links_to_village_founded_by_one_man%92s_generosity
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My sons are direct descendants of Edward Downes Martin. I have quite a lot of information regarding the family including a copy of Edward's baptism, which I would be willing to share if anyone is interested. I still have gaps including how Edward, as such a young orphan travelled from Canada back to Ireland. It should be noted that "Downes" was one of Edward's given names and not part of his surname but he adopted it as such some time after his second marriage to Rose Lily Caddick.
I think Kinkerswell must be the husband of the friend helping Julia and if so I would very much like to be in touch. I do know what you mean about that HUGE will!
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I have only just joined rootschat but think I can help you with the family of Downes-Martin. I have left a message tonight but am not sure if it will be received direct by you, forgive me for my ineptitude!
My sons are direct descendants of Edward and if I can help to fill your gaps I would be happy to do so, likewise I have some gaps of my own particularly I would like to know how Edward got back to Ireland as such a young orphan and how the original John Martin of Belfast got there from Macclesfield, or Pott Shrigley. One source says that he travelled to America and married there but I am not sure about that.
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Hi,
I have sent you a message using the Personal message (PM) system.
Regards
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My grandmother was Noel Downes-Martin, daughter of Edward. Lived at Killoskehane Castle, Templemore, Co Tipperary.
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I'm trying to track Edward G Downes-Martin, 1909-1936. Basically I'm trying to see if either of his parents were born in Ireland. I know there were family links to Tipperary and Shrigley.
Does anyone know? I think the father was born in Canada.
Regards
Ciaran
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https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWDS-9M4
Father - Edward b Toronto
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Thanks, was aware of the father, can't find mother's details. I'm not on ancestry, etc.
Cheers
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looks like him 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Killyleagh/Shrigley_Village/1231101/
Earlier post - you will have seen this.
Here is the birth of a daughter Lelia Edwina - mother Rose Lily Cadick
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01777/1698614.pdf
That site is free - you may have to prove you are not a robot
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Marriage 28 September 1904 - St Mary Magdalene, Liverpool
Edward Downes Martin 36 yrs Widower, Gentleman, Killoskehane Castle, Templemore, Tipperary. Father , John Martin, deceased, Gentlemen
Rose Lily Caddick, 30 yrs, Spinster, Actress, 146, Islington, Liverpool. Father Thomas Frederick Caddick, deceased, Musician.
Witnesses George Turner Harley and Eliza Barker.
Not sure how much of this has already been mentioned - lots of info already.
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Edward Downes Martin 36 yrs Widower, Gentleman, Killoskehane Castle, Templemore, Tipperary.
Killoskehane Castle to the west of Templemore town.
Map 1897-1913
(MapGenie 25 Inch in BaseMap Gallery)
https://arcg.is/1vWueT0
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I'm trying to track Edward G Downes-Martin, 1909-1936. Basically I'm trying to see if either of his parents were born in Ireland. I know there were family links to Tipperary and Shrigley.
Does anyone know? I think the father was born in Canada.
Regards
Ciaran
This looks to be his mother
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWM7-X38
Transcribed here as Lelia Dourees Martin
Newspaper snippet
Manchester City News 1904
“ Miss Lelia Roze, the burlesque actress, well known in Manchester pantomime, was married to Mr. Edward Downes Martin, of Killoskehane Castle”
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01sm9/
There are lots of newspaper references to her theatrical appearances
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I'm trying to track Edward G Downes-Martin, 1909-1936. Basically I'm trying to see if either of his parents were born in Ireland. I know there were family links to Tipperary and Shrigley.
Does anyone know? I think the father was born in Canada.
Regards
Ciaran
Here is Edward’s grandfather’s marriage in Canada. He is b Ireland.
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01smb/
His father, as already stated was born in Canada.
His mother shows as born in England, although I haven’t found her birth. There is a baptism transcription though.
Published trees show Rose Lily’s mother as Eliza Kinmonth b Cork.
If that is correct, he would have two grandparents born in Ireland but not a parent.