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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Kent => Topic started by: Maid of Kent on Tuesday 05 July 05 13:13 BST (UK)
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Bakery Canterbury. Thomas William Wenham b. 1871 had a bakery and Tea Room. I have a photograph of his son James Thomas b. 1895, his successor, outside the shop. I would very much like to have the address of the Bakery. The photo was taken about 1930-1940ish. Can anyone please advise me of how to find out the address of the Bakery in Canterbury, Kent.
Many thanks and kind regards Meg
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Hi Meg
The Local Studies Room at Canterbury library has Canterbury directories:
http://www.apps.kent.gov.uk/e&l/artslib/openingtimes/details.cfm?library_ref=8
and/or you could try posting a photograph to see if anybody recognises it .............. there are still a lot of old buildings in Canterbury although there was a lot of destruction in WW2.
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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In 1891 he is presumably apprenticed in Rochester.
In 1901 he is in Strood with his own accomodation - it doesn't say whether he is working "at home" and I can't read the street name!
You could try:
http://www.historicaldirectories.org/
You might be lucky and find him running his business. Try using initials for his first name (e.g. T.W. Wenham)
Good luck!
Arranroots ;)
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I live in Canterbury, if you can post a link to the photo I might recognise it.
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here is the photograph, thank you Meg
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T W WENHAM, baker, 19 Old Dover Road, Canterbury ???
Garnett's Canterbury & District Directory 1917/1918
http://www.historicaldirectories.org
I was hoping to find HOOLE next door but the same directory lists T N HOOLE newsagent at 39 Palace Street and Stephen HOOLE butcher at 8 Up. Bridge Street.
Something to work on .........
Casalguidi
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I know roughly where that is - I don't think there are any businesses up there now, but I can check tomorrow. Interestingly enough, this (http://www.canterburytrust.co.uk/annreps/pdfs/1998/001.pdf) report from the Canterbury Archaeological Trust had a dig in Old Dover Road, and the map mentions No. 18.
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Hi,
thank you, re: Thomas William Wenham, 19 Dover Road - 1917/1918
the photograph was taken much later, perhaps
1. Hooles wasn't next to the shop in 1917/18
2. my grt grandfather or grandfather James Thomas Wenham moved location?
James Thomas is in the photo with his wife Violet next to him, not sure who the other lady is.
Meg
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hi again,
I've been looking at a Canterbury site and it would appear that much of that part of the city had trouble with Hitler.
I very much doubt if the shop in the photo is still standing.
kind regards
merg
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Hi, wasn't really awake when I wrote the time before last.
the man in the photo is my grt grandfather, Thomas William Wenham. I've compared this photo with others that I have and I've dated it about 1935-1945. the lady in the middle is his wife Florence and the other in their daughter Violet (my grandmother) she died in January 1947. I have absolutely no idea who the girl is behind the bike! I have a photo of my parents wedding taken in June 1947and Thomas William is there but not Florence. I have yet to find out when Florence died. Thomas died in 1953.
the address given might be where he was living in 1917-1918 but not neccessarily the address of the shop in the photo in 1935-1945.
Are there any directories for these decades?
Meg
Meg
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Hi Meg
All the available directories are at Canterbury libarary - see the link I posted above. It should (hopefully) be quite easy to find the exact location ie.when they are listed next to HOOLEs in the directory.
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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hallo,
many thanks for all your advise.
kind regards
Meg
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hi Casalguidi and Spongebob,
I have just received a reply from the Community Librarian, Canterbury:
Thomas William Wenham 1933-1937 listed at 4 Dover Street
1937-8 at 11 Vernon Place, that means that the shop in the photo is either 4, Dover Street or 11 Vernon Place he is not listed in the post war directories this fits in with my information as after the war he moved to Chatham to live with his son and daughter-in-law.
Meg
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Okay, so I went out to look at the addresses and I'm still not sure of whether we've found it or not. So I'll just post the pictures of the addresses and you can make your own mind up.
Here is the first address for T W WENHAM of 19 Old Dover Road, as you can see from the picture this is a residental house with no shops in close proximity. It's the end of a terrace. I'm guessing he lived here at some point.
(http://www.asbd03.dsl.pipex.com/images/wenham/19_old_dover_road.jpg)
Here is the next address which is for T N HOOLE, newsagent which is 39 Palace Street. This is a shop, and does look on some points as it matches the original photo, which would make Wenhams 40 Palace Street, however its not an exact fit (the gap between the shops is much smaller in the new photo for example).
(http://www.asbd03.dsl.pipex.com/images/wenham/40_palace_street.jpg)
This is the third address for Stephen HOOLE, butcher of 8 Upper Bridge Street. As you can see this is a residental address, so not his place of business.
(http://www.asbd03.dsl.pipex.com/images/wenham/8_upper_bridge_street.jpg)
The final two pictures are 4 Dover Street and 11 Vernon Place, both very close to each other - one is a shop and the other a residential dwelling. However, I can't see any or many similarities between 4 Dover Street and the shop in the original photo. It could have been his second shop after he moved from the first of course. Note that both 40 Palace Street and 4 Dover Street have living accomodation above so I would assume he lived where he worked whilst he was in business.
Here is 4 Dover Street...
(http://www.asbd03.dsl.pipex.com/images/wenham/4_dover_street.jpg)
And here is 11 Vernon Place...
(http://www.asbd03.dsl.pipex.com/images/wenham/11_vernon_place.jpg)
I hope this helps in some way. :)
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how can I begin to thank you!
I'm not too sure if the dress shop is the bakery. but its interesting that 4, Dover Street is still a tobacconist as first he was listed as a confectîoner and then as tobacconist so that must be correct as so is Vernon Place.
Once again thank you very much for spending your saturday afternoon taking photos for me!
kind regards
Meg
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hi,
had a look around familysearch. it would appear that Thomas N b. approx 1867 and Stephen I Hoole b. approx 1872 were brothers, Stephen married and in 1901 was given as 'Pork butcher journeyman'. in 1881 Thos N was 'apprent. Coach Painter'.
unfortunately neither of them are on GenesReunited!
hope that the weather in Canterbury is better than here in Switzerland, where it is raining and cold.
thanks once again and kind regards
Margaret
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Okay, I had another chance to look at 8 Upper Bridge Street as I wasn't convinced this was right. The picture I had was in fact Lower Bridge Street. Number 8 Upper Bridge Street was much nearer 4 Dover Street, only about 10 feet actually. However, unfortunately the block of shops which 8 Upper Bridge Street now reside in are all relatively new - I'd say built in the 1960's. So it looks like if there ever was a Stephen Hoole, butcher at 8 Upper Bridge Street I think it was a victim of German bombing in the early 1940's.
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thanks for looking even if the result wasn't what we had hoped for. I looked up Hoole in Canterbury on 192com. and have written to a Frederick Hoole, only 2 Hooles were listed, and sent him a copy of the photo, perhaps he might know something, I thought it worth a try, I'll keep you posted.
kind regards
Maggie