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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: KitCarson on Saturday 14 February 15 19:06 GMT (UK)
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I'm looking into possible Rimmer relatives and have found a tree on Ancestry which records Peter Rimmer (birth circa 1857 St Helens) death on 8 Jan 1929 in Windleshaw Abbey. Now I know the derelict Abbey is next to the Borough Cemetery, but their records don't show the burial or cremation of a Peter Rimmer in 1929.
Can anyone offer advice on whether a burial would have taken place in the Abbey in 1929?
Thanks in advance, Kit
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The only Peter Rimmer in Lancashire whose death is registered in the first quarter of 1929 on Freebmd is registered in West Derby, ie. Liverpool. The age given is 72 which also fits with what you've said.
Do you know where your Peter was living ? Could he be buried in Liverpool instead ? Or was there an already existing family grave in St Helens ? More questions than answers I'm afraid, but with burial records as recent as 1929 there shouldn't be a problem with the St. Helen's staff locating them if they exist.
Joney
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Interesting read
http://www.sthelenschat.com/LHist1.php
Heather
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Hi Kit,
There is a probate record for a Peter Rimmer .
54 Northcote Road Walton Liverpool died 8 Jan 1929
Effects £48 5s 2d to Elizabeth Lunt wife of Robert.
If by any chance this is Peter's record then his address may take you a step closer to his burial ground.
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Thanks Rolnora, heatherjulie and Joney,
The date of death in the probate is the same as shown on the Ancestry tree although the wife is different. I have a spreadsheet of St Helen's marriages and although I don't have it to hand at the moment, I seem to remember that there was another Peter Rimmer who married an Elizabeth Lunt, but 2 years after the one in the tree I've seen. He appears to have married an Ann Alice Bridge. I'll need to find the spreadsheet and check.
Anyway, I just thought it an odd entry. They have other folk also 'Buried' at Windleshaw Abbey.
Kit
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Of your charity pray for the soul of JAMES BRIDGE Who died 28 May 1879 80 years Also of ANNIE the wife of PETER RIMMER and cousin of the above Who died 23 December 1885 25 years On Whose souls sweet Jesus have mercy Also PETER husband of the above Who died 8 January 1929 72 years.
The above taken from the CD for Windleshaw Chantry St.Helens .
Is this the Peter you are looking for.
There are other Rimmers buried at Windleshaw, let me know if you would like the names.
Best Wishes Margie
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Hi Margie
Very much looks like it! So, do we know if this is just a memorial or whether they are definitely buried there. The family appear to be Catholic, marrying at Lowe House. Would that make sense?
I wonder if Peter did remarry to an Elizabeth Lunt. The tree I see has Peter and Ann's daughter Elizabeth marrying a Robert Lunt. So it may be the daughter who was mentioned on the probate.
Kit
EDIT: Sorry, now see the probate DOES say wife of Robert.
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Hi Kit,
Yes I would say Peter is definitely buried there, and it makes sense as they are Catholics.
If I can help you with anything else do let me know.
Margie
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If there are not too many and it's not too much trouble, I'd love to know which other Rimmer's are buried there.
Otherwise, I may try and get hold of a copy of the CD. I presume the St Helens Family History Society can provide it?
Kit
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Kit,
No problem will sort it out later.
Margie
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Hi Kit,
Have sent PM.
Margie
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Thanks Margie, very much appreciated. Will now go and see if any are mine :)
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Hi would you please be able to inform me for how to get a copy of the cd you are referring to it would be of great help to me with my ancestry research, Thank you :)
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Hello Info you want 30/5/1870 James Bridge Address St Helens Age 80. 26/12/1885 Ann Alice Rimmer Address Saliibury Rd Walton age 26. !1/1/1929 Peter Rimmer Address 54 Ashcroft Rd Walton age 72 they are buried in grave 191 if you would like a photo of the grave let me know Yours Ned
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Hi Ned,
Many thanks for your offer. I've been watching for a while and note that your and your compatriots are very active around Windleshaw Abbey and I like to see the work and updates via Facebook. Thanks for all the good work you do.
If you are able to provide a photo, that would be very much appreciated. However, I know your time is precious and I can always pay a visit the next time I'm visiting my Uncle 'Rimmer' now that I have the plot number.
Best, Kit
P.S. Glad I was looking at the Lancashire Forum as I wasn't alerted to your response.
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I will go tomorrow to see if there is a stone if i will take a photo and post
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Been up there are two grave stones i will post them on our site as i can not see how to post them on here
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Much appreciated Ned :)
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Hi I am a related to the Bibby family who were the Sextons at the Chantry from the 1800s up to about 1970s I think. My great grandparents lived in the cottages at the chantry. There was a family story which was not discussed but somehow was overheard by my second cousin when he was a young child. His grandfather mentioned a Rimmer who lived in or was visiting the cottages and had some connection with the Bibby family (the grave diggers) he had walked off into the cemetery one night and sadly hung himself. It was never mentioned I assume as the Bibby family were very religious practicing Catholics who would not have approved of suicide and so would not have buried anyone who had died by suicide. This may account for the reason there is no trace of your relative. I am unsure what they would have done with the body in those days but the death would not have been acknowledged on any grave even if he had been buried there. Suicide was a sin which would not have been forgiven.