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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: worth on Sunday 15 February 15 15:27 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
I am looking for the following John Hattie (Heatlie) in any later census transcription, below is the 1861 Scotland census and the only one I can find him on:
Mary Waugh Head 62 born 1799 Jedburgh Roxburgh
Agnes Waugh Dau 34 born 1827 Jedburgh Rox
Mary Turnbull (Waugh) Dau 20 born 1841 Crailing Rox
John Hattie Grandson 7 born 1854 Roxburgh
John Hattie/Heatlie was the illegitimate son of Agnes Waugh and William Heatlie, see attached birth, as you can probably see Agnes is down as Agnes Oliver not Waugh but I don't know why. In 1851 she was down as Oliver, 1861 Waugh, 1871 Oliver and the 1881, 91 and 1901 census as Waugh which was also on her death certificate in 1902, she never married so I have know idea where Oliver came from. Anyway like I said I am looking for her son John Hattie but after 1861 he disappears. I have looked for a death under John Oliver, Waugh and Heatlie but found nothing. If I could trace him I can possibly find more info on his father William Heatlie and maybe why his mother kept swapping surnames.
Thanks in advance.
PS Cannot add birth transcription so this is what it says:
Birth 1854 Roxburgh
John, Illigitimate son of William Hately and Agnes Oliver was born at Fairnington on the 12 day of January 1854 and was baptised by the Rev Lee Minister of Roxburgh.
Dawn
Dawn
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Possible?
1891 Little Usworth Durham
John Heattie 35 born Roxborough farm servant
Annie 33
Thomas 8
Catherine 7
John 6
Jane A 4
Margaret F J 4 months
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Was her mothers maiden name Oliver by any chance?
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Hi Dawn
Have you eliminated the John Heatlie born circa 1855 at Jedburgh on the 1871 Census.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBGM-69W
Looby :)
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Hi all and thanks for replying.
Her mother Mary Waugh was unmarried, and died single so chance of Oliver there unfortunately. I have looked on the original transcription for the 1861 census and she is unmarried on there, Agnes is down as illegitimate on her death certificate, no father added, never married. I will have a look at the 1891 Durham census as I hadn't seen that transcription, its a possibility. Will check out Loobys possibility as well. Will post on here if I have any look.
Dawn
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So Oliver could have been her fathers surname.
Having trouble finding the children from the Durham census but they were born in different places.
Thomas - Berwick
Catherine - Scotland
John - Scotland
Jane - Northumberland
Margaret - Usworth Durham
Annie the mother born E Lathian (Lothian?) Scotland
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It could be that the reputed father of Agnes was a Mr. Oliver :-\
Like her own son John is known by his father's name , Agnes may have been known by hers as well as by her mother's name of Waugh.
Looby :)
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Yeah I did think it could of been her real fathers name, is it normal to swap names like that every so often, it makes it very confusing. John Heatlie probably did the same which is why I cant locate him. Im going to have a look at the children on the Durham census, them being born in Scotland makes it a lot easier to find than English births. Thanks for your help everybody, much appreciated.
Dawn
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For what it's worth here are the girls born in England.
Dec 1890 Chester le Street
Margaret Flora I Heatley
Mar 1887 Berwick
Jane Ann Heatlie
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you are not going made
it happens sometimes - spelling vary, odd names pop up
Agnes Waugh is John's Mother & Mary Waugh is Agnes' Mother
Agnes appears to be Illigetimate too and father is possibly a Mr Oliver
On the census' for 41,51 & 61 Mary has no husband and is head ofhousehod and all her children have different names
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Hi all,
Whats the possibility of the below of this family.
In 1841 Mary Waugh was living with Agnes Waugh (aged 14) in Crailing in Roxburgh, they were living in between 2 Heatlie familys. I know the two Heatlie familys were related to each other, but what do you think the chances are that Agnes Waughs illegitimate son John Heatlie who was born in 1854 was related to this Heatlie family as well? I know i'm probably clutching at straws and i would have to prove it first but it cant just be fate surely x x
Dawn