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Title: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 11:52 GMT (UK)
Edwin Pitcher born 1831 Thornbury. Parents Jonah and Sarah Pitcher. Siblings George b 1833 and Andrew b 1840.

Edwin is living at home with his parents til 1851 then disappears. I have searched FreeBMD for a marriage or death with no luck.

Any help would be appreciated.

helina
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: jan57 on Wednesday 18 February 15 12:46 GMT (UK)

Jonah Pitcher in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966

  Jonah  Pitcher  died  26 June 1881 ,   Administration of Will  with  2 Codicils to  George Pitcher  son 


 Maybe  getting   the  Will   may    offer some  info  re Edwin ,    I see  George  is  second son ,  I  would have thought   that  if  Edwin was still  around he'd be  mentioned   also

Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Regorian on Wednesday 18 February 15 14:00 GMT (UK)
Just on the off chance, I had a look at Forest-of-Dean.net. Thornbury is South Gloucestershire so not part of FoD. However Site does overflow boundaries as it has to.

I found Pitcher's. An Edwin is not there, but Jonah and Sarah as parents are, and two children. There's nearly three pages of Pitcher's. Closest entries are Falfield, and that is close to Thornbury. 

Might be worth your while having a look. You will need to join up, only personal details and an e-mail address. log in and go to main page, click resources and then parish registers. Enter Pitcher and tick Soundex, 1840 + or - 20 years, all events and the three pages will come up.   
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 14:23 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the advice.  I am a member of the forest of dean site but waiting for them to send me my password as I had forgotten it.  Have a feeling Edwin has died.  The younger brother Andrew dies in 1896 in Barnwood asylum.  Found a probate for him naming just brother George.
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Regorian on Wednesday 18 February 15 14:29 GMT (UK)
Yes, I moved on for the later period and nothing came up for Edwin.
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 14:39 GMT (UK)
Looked at the B&A Family history site for burials for South Gloucestershire, nothing
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 18 February 15 14:50 GMT (UK)
A possibility?

December qtr 1916
Ticehurst district     vol 2b, page 153

Pitcher, Edwin S     age 85   (so a birth c1831)
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 February 15 15:02 GMT (UK)
A possibility?

December qtr 1916
Ticehurst district     vol 2b, page 153

Pitcher, Edwin S     age 85   (so a birth c1831)

I think that is likely to be this one from 1881 (and later censuses)

RG11; Piece: 1045; Folio: 132; Page: 4  Ticehurst

Edwin S. Pitcher   50   Ag Lab   Hellingly, Sussex
Ellen Pitcher   54                Fince, Northumberland
Mary Robson   84
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 18 February 15 15:18 GMT (UK)
Ah well!

I DID say it was just a possibility! ;D
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 15:48 GMT (UK)
Sorry cannot be Edwin, Edwin was born in Thornbury South Gloucestershire not Sussex. Checked the copy original to see if wrong translation but no Edwin s was born in Sussex
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 15:49 GMT (UK)
May of gone aboard
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: jan57 on Wednesday 18 February 15 16:31 GMT (UK)
  Thought  I'd be  clever  and looked at 1911   as  a E Pitcher  was appearing  on the Summary notes ,  only  to find  that   the name  was for  a  female !      Nothing  is appearing for  an Edward     Pitcher either  , as  sometimes  Edwin/Edward    names  are the same  person  ........
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 16:43 GMT (UK)
Been looking at "Find a will site"  for brother George who died in 1916, he had no children. Probate to a James Jones, grocer.

Either Edwin died or went aboard.

Father Jonah was a farmer of 8 acres but his sons were only Ag labourers so what happened to the farm?
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: KGarrad on Wednesday 18 February 15 16:55 GMT (UK)
He was probably a tenant farmer?
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 February 15 17:11 GMT (UK)
Been looking at "Find a will site"  for brother George who died in 1916, he had no children. Probate to a James Jones, grocer.

Either Edwin died or went aboard.

Father Jonah was a farmer of 8 acres but his sons were only Ag labourers so what happened to the farm?

Are you sure? Looking at the Find a Will site he is described as a Yeoman and left £923, which was quite a bit in 1916, so not your average Ag Lab. How do you know he had no children, have you found him in the censuses? Probate was granted to James Jones, that only means that he was granted probate to deal with the estate, not that he inherited the money. 
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 February 15 17:15 GMT (UK)
In 1891 George Pitcher born 1833 Thornbury is described as a retired farmer.

 RG12; Piece: 1999; Folio: 59; Page: 9
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Kay99 on Wednesday 18 February 15 17:25 GMT (UK)
Just a thought - There is an Edwin Pitcher(Transcribed as Edwad) age 20 on the passenger lists for Aus in 1852 although his name and adjoining passengers have been crossed through  :-\

He sailed from Plymouth on the Apolline and arrived on 25 Oct 1852  at Port Phillip Bay, Australia listed as a labourer

Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 February 15 17:33 GMT (UK)
The George whose will you have found  fits with a George Pitcher born Whitfield, Gloucestershire and living in Falfield in the census before he died. So may not be yours.

This is him in 1901 RG13; Piece: 2412; Folio: 69; Page: 4


George Pitcher   67  living on own means    Whitfield
Susana Pitcher   58 wife                             Falfield
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 17:49 GMT (UK)
George married Susanna Gazard in 1878

" Name George Pitcher
Male
Age 43
Birth date 1835
Marriage date 10 Aug 1878
Marriage place Bristol
Father Jonah Pitcher
Spouse Susaana Gazard
FHL Film Number:1596544
Ref ID 146

I have found no children on any of the census
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 February 15 17:59 GMT (UK)
£923 in 1916 is the equivalent to about £172,490 today, so he was quite wealthy.
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 18:03 GMT (UK)
Perhaps he kept his money under the mattress?????
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 19:29 GMT (UK)
Kay,

You could well have found the answer, wander if its worth starting a thread on the Australia board?  Going back to George, his father Jonah lived and died towards the end of his life at  Falfield.
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 February 15 20:00 GMT (UK)
If you start a new thread, make sure that you link it back to this one so that people don't waste time going over what had already been found.
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 20:42 GMT (UK)
Looks like we may of found him

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=713314.new#new
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Regorian on Wednesday 18 February 15 21:16 GMT (UK)
Isn't that marvellous Helina. Your theory vindicated in one. I suppose only thing left is when he died and where he is buried.

Pity in a way, a fascinating Thread.
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: groom on Wednesday 18 February 15 21:26 GMT (UK)
That's brilliant, just shows very few people can hide from Rootschatters.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Deirdre784 on Wednesday 18 February 15 21:57 GMT (UK)
Back to the beginning in case you don't have Edwin's baptism... 4 Sep 1831 at Thornbury, abode Whitfield, parents Jonah (labourer) and Sarah.
 
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: jan57 on Wednesday 18 February 15 23:20 GMT (UK)
Looks like we may of found him

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=713314.new#new

  Well done !
Title: Re: What has happened to Edwin?
Post by: Helina on Thursday 29 October 15 08:47 GMT (UK)
Continuation of what happened to Edwin Pitcher.  He went to Australia in 1852 landing at Port Phillip Bay Sidney. That same year his Uncle Orlando Vaisey was trying to contact him.  In 1884 he was on the SS Buninyong Sidney. After that a dead end.

I have been researching this Orlando Vaisey who came over from England.

Orlando Vaisey born 1809 (c) Kingswood, married Harriet Smith in 1839 St Nicholas Gloucestershire, and this is were the confusion comes in. On ancestry there are a number of marriages between Orlando and Harriet in 1839.

1. Orlando Vaisey
Birth about 1810
Marriage 26 Feb 1839
Age 29
Father William Vaisey
Spouse Harriet Smith
Age 28
Spouses father  William Smith
Marriage
Parish Gloucester, St Nicholas Gloucestershire
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2. As above but giving film number 855636 855637 855638
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3. As above but a different marriage date 10 February 1839
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4. As Above but name spelt differently, Arlando Varney.  Also his father is now Edward, Married as earlier on the 26 February 1839. Harriet's father is still William.

At first thought I had found the connection to Edwin, remember Orlando was his Uncle, Edwin's mother was called Sarah Smith hoping they may be sisters.  Sarah's parents were called William and Mary and I did find a baptism for Harriett in 1810 with parents of that name.
But after reading the local Australian paper account of her death in 1881 her parents were called Thomas and Sabrina.



You can read how far the Edwin research in Australia has reached
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=713314.0

Wandering if someone with a fresh pair of eyes may pick up something I have overlooked, Cannot be many Orland Vaisey's born in Gloucestershire and moving to Australia.

Any help would be appreciated.

Helina