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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: Helina on Wednesday 18 February 15 11:52 GMT (UK)
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Edwin Pitcher born 1831 Thornbury. Parents Jonah and Sarah Pitcher. Siblings George b 1833 and Andrew b 1840.
Edwin is living at home with his parents til 1851 then disappears. I have searched FreeBMD for a marriage or death with no luck.
Any help would be appreciated.
helina
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Jonah Pitcher in the England & Wales, National Probate Calendar (Index of Wills and Administrations), 1858-1966
Jonah Pitcher died 26 June 1881 , Administration of Will with 2 Codicils to George Pitcher son
Maybe getting the Will may offer some info re Edwin , I see George is second son , I would have thought that if Edwin was still around he'd be mentioned also
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Just on the off chance, I had a look at Forest-of-Dean.net. Thornbury is South Gloucestershire so not part of FoD. However Site does overflow boundaries as it has to.
I found Pitcher's. An Edwin is not there, but Jonah and Sarah as parents are, and two children. There's nearly three pages of Pitcher's. Closest entries are Falfield, and that is close to Thornbury.
Might be worth your while having a look. You will need to join up, only personal details and an e-mail address. log in and go to main page, click resources and then parish registers. Enter Pitcher and tick Soundex, 1840 + or - 20 years, all events and the three pages will come up.
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Thanks for the advice. I am a member of the forest of dean site but waiting for them to send me my password as I had forgotten it. Have a feeling Edwin has died. The younger brother Andrew dies in 1896 in Barnwood asylum. Found a probate for him naming just brother George.
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Yes, I moved on for the later period and nothing came up for Edwin.
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Looked at the B&A Family history site for burials for South Gloucestershire, nothing
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A possibility?
December qtr 1916
Ticehurst district vol 2b, page 153
Pitcher, Edwin S age 85 (so a birth c1831)
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A possibility?
December qtr 1916
Ticehurst district vol 2b, page 153
Pitcher, Edwin S age 85 (so a birth c1831)
I think that is likely to be this one from 1881 (and later censuses)
RG11; Piece: 1045; Folio: 132; Page: 4 Ticehurst
Edwin S. Pitcher 50 Ag Lab Hellingly, Sussex
Ellen Pitcher 54 Fince, Northumberland
Mary Robson 84
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Ah well!
I DID say it was just a possibility! ;D
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Sorry cannot be Edwin, Edwin was born in Thornbury South Gloucestershire not Sussex. Checked the copy original to see if wrong translation but no Edwin s was born in Sussex
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May of gone aboard
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Thought I'd be clever and looked at 1911 as a E Pitcher was appearing on the Summary notes , only to find that the name was for a female ! Nothing is appearing for an Edward Pitcher either , as sometimes Edwin/Edward names are the same person ........
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Been looking at "Find a will site" for brother George who died in 1916, he had no children. Probate to a James Jones, grocer.
Either Edwin died or went aboard.
Father Jonah was a farmer of 8 acres but his sons were only Ag labourers so what happened to the farm?
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He was probably a tenant farmer?
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Been looking at "Find a will site" for brother George who died in 1916, he had no children. Probate to a James Jones, grocer.
Either Edwin died or went aboard.
Father Jonah was a farmer of 8 acres but his sons were only Ag labourers so what happened to the farm?
Are you sure? Looking at the Find a Will site he is described as a Yeoman and left £923, which was quite a bit in 1916, so not your average Ag Lab. How do you know he had no children, have you found him in the censuses? Probate was granted to James Jones, that only means that he was granted probate to deal with the estate, not that he inherited the money.
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In 1891 George Pitcher born 1833 Thornbury is described as a retired farmer.
RG12; Piece: 1999; Folio: 59; Page: 9
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Just a thought - There is an Edwin Pitcher(Transcribed as Edwad) age 20 on the passenger lists for Aus in 1852 although his name and adjoining passengers have been crossed through :-\
He sailed from Plymouth on the Apolline and arrived on 25 Oct 1852 at Port Phillip Bay, Australia listed as a labourer
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The George whose will you have found fits with a George Pitcher born Whitfield, Gloucestershire and living in Falfield in the census before he died. So may not be yours.
This is him in 1901 RG13; Piece: 2412; Folio: 69; Page: 4
George Pitcher 67 living on own means Whitfield
Susana Pitcher 58 wife Falfield
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George married Susanna Gazard in 1878
" Name George Pitcher
Male
Age 43
Birth date 1835
Marriage date 10 Aug 1878
Marriage place Bristol
Father Jonah Pitcher
Spouse Susaana Gazard
FHL Film Number:1596544
Ref ID 146
I have found no children on any of the census
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£923 in 1916 is the equivalent to about £172,490 today, so he was quite wealthy.
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Perhaps he kept his money under the mattress?????
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Kay,
You could well have found the answer, wander if its worth starting a thread on the Australia board? Going back to George, his father Jonah lived and died towards the end of his life at Falfield.
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If you start a new thread, make sure that you link it back to this one so that people don't waste time going over what had already been found.
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Looks like we may of found him
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=713314.new#new
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Isn't that marvellous Helina. Your theory vindicated in one. I suppose only thing left is when he died and where he is buried.
Pity in a way, a fascinating Thread.
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That's brilliant, just shows very few people can hide from Rootschatters. ;D ;D
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Back to the beginning in case you don't have Edwin's baptism... 4 Sep 1831 at Thornbury, abode Whitfield, parents Jonah (labourer) and Sarah.
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Looks like we may of found him
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=713314.new#new
Well done !
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Continuation of what happened to Edwin Pitcher. He went to Australia in 1852 landing at Port Phillip Bay Sidney. That same year his Uncle Orlando Vaisey was trying to contact him. In 1884 he was on the SS Buninyong Sidney. After that a dead end.
I have been researching this Orlando Vaisey who came over from England.
Orlando Vaisey born 1809 (c) Kingswood, married Harriet Smith in 1839 St Nicholas Gloucestershire, and this is were the confusion comes in. On ancestry there are a number of marriages between Orlando and Harriet in 1839.
1. Orlando Vaisey
Birth about 1810
Marriage 26 Feb 1839
Age 29
Father William Vaisey
Spouse Harriet Smith
Age 28
Spouses father William Smith
Marriage
Parish Gloucester, St Nicholas Gloucestershire
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2. As above but giving film number 855636 855637 855638
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3. As above but a different marriage date 10 February 1839
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4. As Above but name spelt differently, Arlando Varney. Also his father is now Edward, Married as earlier on the 26 February 1839. Harriet's father is still William.
At first thought I had found the connection to Edwin, remember Orlando was his Uncle, Edwin's mother was called Sarah Smith hoping they may be sisters. Sarah's parents were called William and Mary and I did find a baptism for Harriett in 1810 with parents of that name.
But after reading the local Australian paper account of her death in 1881 her parents were called Thomas and Sabrina.
You can read how far the Edwin research in Australia has reached
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=713314.0
Wandering if someone with a fresh pair of eyes may pick up something I have overlooked, Cannot be many Orland Vaisey's born in Gloucestershire and moving to Australia.
Any help would be appreciated.
Helina