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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cambridgeshire => Topic started by: jrg_from_oz on Monday 23 February 15 13:13 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to locate the birth of Frederick George WYNTER, a WWI soldier.
He and his family left England in August 1914 for Australia. He subsequently (on 27 Jul 1915) enlisted in the AIF, served on the Western Front, and returned to Australia in 1919. He died (of a war-related condition) on 16 Nov 1925 in Sydney.
In his service dossier, he gives his age at enlistment as 35y 11m, and his place of birth as Cantridge, Cambridgeshire. That points to a birth around Aug 1879.
He married Emma Jane (known as Jennie) DAUNTON in the Parish of Edmonton, Middlesex on 4 Apr 1904. Children were Phillip (c1908), Iris (c1912), Mary (c1915) and Phyllis (aft 1918).
He is listed in the 1911 Census, living at 3 Hinton Rd, Edmonton with Emma and Phillip. His birthplace in the Census is given as Histon, Cambridgeshire, which my map shows is about 5m NW of the centre of Cambridge.
My problems are (1) where in Cambridgeshire is Cantridge, (2) when was Fred born, and who were his parents, and (3) was he born in Cantridge or Histon?
I can't find an obvious match for his birth in FreeBMD. I have looked under both WYNTER and WINTER (the family is listed under WINTER in the 1911 Census, and their 1914 voyage to Australia).
Any hints appreciated.
John Graham
Toowoomba, Qld
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A tree on Ancestry with this family has this as his birth, but the only source is from Freebmd, so they may just have grabbed the nearest they could find.
George Frederick Winter
1879 Apr-May-Jun
Richmond Surrey
Volume: 2a Page: 350
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Could Cantridge just be a bad transcription of Cambridge?
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Agree with groom, probably just a badly written Cambridge.
The neighbouring village to Histon, often coupled with it, is Cottenham, but I cant see that being mistranscribed as Cantridge.
THe only birth for a Fredk George Winter on freebmd is that Richmond one. But that doesn't mean it is him!
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At the 1904 marriage, he is Frederick Winter, a baker, age 24 and a bachelor, and gives his father as George Winter, a Provison merchant
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It's possible that Cantridge is a mis-spelled Cambridge, although the mis-spelling must be at least one document generation ago as the one I'm looking at is a clearly-typewritten Cantridge. It does appear in the "alternate or mis-spelled names" list on FreeBMD against Cambridge, so I think this is starting to look like the most likely explanation.
In relation to Ancestry family trees, there are a number there with Fred included. They generally agree on his death and marriage, but his birth is a bit of a lottery, hence my appeal here.
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Thanks lizdb, that fills in his father's name.
How did you access the marriage information to that level, if I may ask?
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His Army records give his place of birth as Camberwell
Father George Winter 18 Dragon Rd Camberwell
Wife Emma Jane Daunton
He was in the Army prior to marrying Emma
Records are on FindMyPast
WINTER FREDERICK 1880 — 1898 Regimental & service records Camberwell, London, Surrey, England
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We won't find him in 1901 he was in South Africa. ::) There is no sign of his family at 18 Dragon Road in 1891 or 1901.
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Thanks lizdb, that fills in his father's name.
How did you access the marriage information to that level, if I may ask?
Parish Registers from the London Metropolitan Archives.
They can be viewed on Ancestry.
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He was in the Army prior to marrying Emma
Says he is a Baker on marriage cert.
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His Army records give his place of birth as Camberwell
Could this be his birth with a changed second name?
Births Mar 1879
Winter Frederick Garnet Camberwell 1d 778[
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There is a christening if Frederick Garnet Winter in 1879, parents are William and Sarah, Dads occupation Rag merchant.
And he died in 1880 as a baby.
So not looking like the one that married Emma. Sadly.
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I think that one died in infancy in 1880.
He appears to have joined the RAMC in 1898 - went to SA December 1899 - Returned home 1902.
Think he may have joined Army Reserves, service shows as up to 1910. The good thing is it mentions his wife with maiden name.
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Just going through his WWI attestation papers again, and there is a mention that he "completed service" in the RAM Corps. No dates given. So it's all fitting together.
John