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Title: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 28 February 15 10:44 GMT (UK)
Quite often, in this forum, I see something along the lines of, "I've searched Ancestry and can't find ...." or "I've tried Ancestry and Scotland's People ...."

There is a fundamental, major, difference between Scotland's People on the one hand and Ancestry, Family Search, Find My Past, Genes Reunited, MyHeritage, Geni and 1001 other genealogy sites out there on the Internet.

The critical difference is that Scotland's People is the ***only*** source of  the originals of the principal building blocks of a Scottish family tree.

Each of Ancestry, Family Search and Find My Past has a wonderful range of resources for finding out more about individuals and turning a family tree into a family history, but the tree has first to be constructed using the original data.

By all means use these other sites as a finding aid.

For example Family Search has the International Genealogical Index https://familysearch.org/search/collection/igi to births, baptisms, banns and marriages in Scotland until about 1874/5. Even so, the IGI is not complete, and the Community Contributed listings contain some very dubious information alongside the useful stuff. (If you don't believe this, try putting 'Odin' as the given name, 'Any Event' in 'Norway', from '0000' to '0900', and see what you get.)

Ancestry has one useful finding aid for constructing Scottish family trees, and that is the transcriptions of the census. However these are notorious for their inaccuracies; you cannot rely on them, so it is always necessary to check the originals, which are only available online at Scotland's People. (There are much more reliable transcriptions at FreeCEN http://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl but so far the coverage in FreeCEN is only a small proportion of the available records.)

Scotland's People has digital images of the following original documents
- the surviving baptism and marriage registers of the Church of Scotland from the 16th century to 1854
- the statutory civil registers of births, marriages and death from 1855 to the present day (though there are restrictions on what you can view online: you cannot view births less than 100 years ago, marriages less than 75 years ago and deaths less than 50 years ago)
- the decennial censuses from 1841 until 100 years ago
- the baptism, marriage and death registers of the Roman Catholic Church in Scotland
- almost all wills from the earliest times until 1925
- a selection of valuation rolls from the 19th and early 20th century

The Church of Scotland registers and the 1841 to 1901 censuses can be viewed on microfilm in public libraries, archives and family history centres in Scotland, or by arranging to rent the relevant film in any of the family history centres run by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormon Church). The latter also has microfiche of the statutory civil birth and marriage registers from 1866 to 1874/5.

I will mention only fleetingly the family trees you find on all these sites. Some are no doubt meticulously researched, but others are a load of rubbish. I have found trees where people were still having children years after they were dead and buried, and it's very common to find that someone has found only one candidate in the records who roughly fits their ancestor, so they hav assumed this must be the right one.

Digression - only yesterday I found a tree in which my 2nd great-uncle, who was born, married, brought up 10 of a family, was given a retirement award for 40 years' work and eventually died, all in Banffshire, allegedly had a second family (with birth dates overlapping those of the genuine family) and died in Australia. I am sure his wife (who also spent her entire life in Banffshire, and survived her husband) would have been astonished to learn of his double life several months' travel away on the other side of the world.

Then there is the story of Mary Simpson. www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=619657

So please, everyone, disabuse yourselves of the idea that you can properly build an accurate family tree without using Scotland's People. Unless your ancestors left Scotland before the early 19th century and you are prepared to go all over the place to access information on microfilm, it is simply not possible, and certainly not by using Ancestry etc alone.


Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Craclyn on Saturday 28 February 15 11:18 GMT (UK)
I agree with you that Scotlandspeople is the site to use for images of the records. However, the other sites can often be useful in narrowing down the search parameters before spending credits at Scotlandspeople.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 28 February 15 12:28 GMT (UK)
I agree with you that Scotlandspeople is the site to use for images of the records. However, the other sites can often be useful in narrowing down the search parameters before spending credits at Scotlandspeople.
Indeed. Which is why I said above, "By all means use other sites as a finding aid".

Just don't imagine that any of them is an adequate alternative for SP, because they are not.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: IMBER on Sunday 01 March 15 08:03 GMT (UK)
Great advice Forfarian.

Imber
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Rosinish on Friday 01 April 16 22:05 BST (UK)
Good advice there from Forfarian as I hadn't seen this post previously.

I would also like to add.....a lot of people get "hung-up" on how a name was spelt, especially as an e.g. Mc/Mac (along with others of course) but there are numerous variations of numerous names so you have to have an open mind & use the "variants or soundex" etc. options on SP if you can't find who you are searching.

Eg. MacNeil MacNeill MacNiel MacNiell McNeil McNeill McNiel McNiell & that's not all of the variants for that particular surname.


Annie
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: jcjc123 on Friday 27 May 16 17:16 BST (UK)
to add a little, i find scotlands people comparitive to other site, very expensive, especially when you have to pay 1/2 credits just to find out if it's the person you think....often it isn't.
i also found although branches of the family were Scottish, they quickly branched out into ireland/england and even over seas

i'd strongly reccomend a*cestry for a month or so - to get the bones of a family tree, people who've done searches before you (often on SP) record their findings so save you reinventing the wheel  - do proceed with caution though, it's often not accurate...so do checks on the details on SP and if you can't find on A at all, then check SP. But Sp alone could get VERY expensive.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Rosinish on Sunday 29 May 16 00:06 BST (UK)
JC,

I agree SP can be expensive if you don't know how to manipulate the site & depending on the "era" being researched.

There are free sites for census records, births/baptisms/marriages/deaths & this can help immensely with narrowing down search windows for indexes when you have a knowledge of the area firstly then ages if it's a popular name or a name with many variations.

However, anyone with Scots ancestry needs to use SP (including myself) but there are many avenues to research to guide you........even a "google" search of names/areas can turn up unexpected help although terms used while on google can be expanded to help you or you may find yourself scrolling through everything forever.

Annie
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: jcjc123 on Sunday 29 May 16 07:22 BST (UK)
JC,

However, anyone with Scots ancestry needs to use SP (including myself) but there are many avenues to research to guide you........even a "google" search of names/areas can turn up unexpected help although terms used while on google can be expanded to help you or you may find yourself scrolling through everything forever.

Annie

I think you've misread my last, I say to get the bones of a tree elsewhere (actry etc) and check the details on SP.

If you use SP as your first/only source, it's expensive. First check the free/cheaper sites. And IMHO actry is a good source because people have often already done all the expensive SP work and recorded it there.

I do say to check results on SP but would actually be more specific, check against actually certificates where possible. If you find that free or part of a subscription site, you don't need to pay to check again on SP

Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 29 May 16 08:55 BST (UK)
to add a little, i find scotlands people comparitive to other site, very expensive, especially when you have to pay 1/2 credits just to find out if it's the person you think....often it isn't.

You are not comparing like for like. I repeat, Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage etc do not have original birth, marriage or death certificates for Scotland, or for England, Wales, New Zealand, Australia etc etc (apart from a few published in breach of copyright by people who have got them from SP or elsewhere).

Just try getting the equivalent original certificates from England/Wales (currently £9.25 per certificate compared with £1.40 on SP if you get your search right) Australia, New Zealand etc. Then you will really find out what 'expensive' means.

You can of course use any or all of these commercial sites to see what trees, accurate or not, other people have submitted to them, and you can use such trees as a basis for your own research, but you cannot compile a full and accurate tree using them instead of SP; and compared with almost all the government sites where you can buy original certificates from other parts of the world SP is not at all expensive; in fact it is the least expensive I have come across anywhere other than one US state, I forget which.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: jcjc123 on Sunday 29 May 16 09:01 BST (UK)
to add a little, i find scotlands people comparitive to other site, very expensive, especially when you have to pay 1/2 credits just to find out if it's the person you think....often it isn't.

You are not comparing like for like. I repeat, Ancestry, FindMyPast, MyHeritage etc do not have original birth, marriage or death certificates for Scotland, or for England, Wales, New Zealand, Australia etc etc (apart from a few published in breach of copyright by people who have got them from SP or elsewhere).

I do say very clearly to check at info with SP.
But if you only use SP you'll be laying five info that's freely available elsewhere.
Please remember many people have searched SP and recorded their findings on Ancestry.

We don't need to keep reinventing the wheel.

Use the many sites.
Check the info you find on original certificates..


Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: maggbill on Sunday 29 May 16 09:58 BST (UK)
I must say that I consider myself fortunate that by far the bulk of my family tree is Scottish (and being west of Scotland, also Irish of course!!).  I suppose if I counted the amount I have spent over the years with SP, ... well... I just won't keep count (could be spending it on worse vices lol!!).  I agree that it is the "Bible" for Scottish records - and again, I say I consider myself fortunate that they are so easily available and so full of info.  Yes, I use other sites to my advantage, but only on a "pay as you go" basis - very sparingly - and only when absolutely essential - often ending up disappointed and not trusting others "transcriptions"! So good to see the "originals".. and that and the joy of having discovered them myself rather than depending on others... well that is 90% of the joy of the "Chase".. With experience I have learnt to use SP to advantage - and am truly thankful for it. And Rootschatters have proved to be such a help over the years - Thank you to all who work to keep the site going!!
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Ruskie on Sunday 29 May 16 10:09 BST (UK)
I really enjoy Scottish research, and love using Scotland's People.

Sadly I do not have any Scottish ancestors of my own, but have a little experience researching for others.

I often use Familysearch as a first port of call, and if I believe I have found the relevant record, I purchase the corresponding certificate or bmd entry on SP.

I may have been lucky, as I have had some unusual names in my searches, but I have found the costs very reasonable, especially for cerificates as Forfarian has noted - they are very cheap and contain a wealth of information.

I can't find much, or any, fault with SP. :)
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Sunday 29 May 16 10:26 BST (UK)
I do say very clearly to check at info with SP.

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But if you only use SP you'll be laying five info that's freely available elsewhere.
You may be, but most of what is on SP is not available elsewhere.

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Please remember many people have searched SP and recorded their findings on Ancestry.
Very true. But if they include images of certificates, they are in breach of copyright and if they don't you cannot trust their 'findings'.

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We don't need to keep reinventing the wheel.
No, but we need to be able to distinguish a wheel from a brick. Scotland's People is an official government site, like the GRO site for England and Wales and similar ones in other parts of the world. Those are the bricks. Ancestry etc are commercial sites which do not have a complete range of originals, but do contain a lot of information submitted by individuals, some of which is of excellent quality and some of which is garbage. They are the wheels. You use bricks and wheels in different ways. You use SP and other government sites in a different way from Ancestry and other commercial sites, but if you are going to create a tree you need to understand the differences, just as you need to understand the differences or you risk trying to build a house out of wheels.

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Use the many sites. Check the info you find on original certificates.
Absolutely agree. But don't believe anything until you have seen the original document. And don't get the idea that SP and Ancestry etc are alternatives to one another, because they are not. They are fundamentally quite different.

Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Wiggy on Sunday 29 May 16 10:56 BST (UK)
Thanks Forfarian!

I agree - there is simply no comparison in price for getting at original information from church certificates etc.  Having done initial searching on other sites, it is really good to find such a rich source of comparatively cheap records.

Our Victorian, in Australia, records are on a par with GRO, but more expensive than SP.

Wiggy
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: anne_p on Sunday 29 May 16 12:42 BST (UK)
I have to agree with Forfarian but, we should all be aware of that Ancestry also indexes a fair amount of records taken directly from FamilySearch.

The old version of FS made it really easy to differentiate between "Extracted" and "Submitted" entries but, the new version is not quite as straightforward.

Some submitted entries are partly or wholly incorrect.
Look out for the addition of middle names which never appeared on the original document.
Submitted by researchers who mis identified their relatives on FS records in the first instance !

It's always worth doing a simple search on SP to ensure that the entry actually exists.

Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: harrisj on Monday 13 June 16 10:01 BST (UK)
Enjoyed reading these posts.

As far as SP is concerned, why don't they offer some sort of monthly, quarterly or annual sub?
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Monday 13 June 16 10:43 BST (UK)
As far as SP is concerned, why don't they offer some sort of monthly, quarterly or annual sub?

SP's charges, as I understand it, are set by the Scottish Government.

You might as well ask why the GRO in England and Wales, the DIA in New Zealand, and the relevant government departments in Ireland and Australia, also charge on a pay-per-view basis for original documents, and why all of them are more expensive than SP.

SP are aware that almost everyone would like a subscription option, and have not categorically ruled it out for the future. We can but hope!
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: whiteout7 on Monday 13 June 16 11:52 BST (UK)
Buying an Ancestry subscription would have been an expensive mistake for my family tree, since no one on Ancestry had researched (and stolen of SP, tsk, tsk).

Ancestry simply had none of my Scottish family records at all.

I only used the site on free days to see what was available and there was literally nothing for me.

If you have recent Scottish ancestors who have never been researched, I would say Scotlands people is a must use site and Ancestry ho hum.

Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: gjs1949 on Thursday 04 August 16 22:24 BST (UK)
I would like to remind people to use the previous searches and viewed images buttons when they are looking for something on SP, until I got used to the site I kept paying the 1 credit to look at the results of a search when I had already done the search before, 1 credit is not a lot but it soon adds up after a fair number of searches.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: jaybelnz on Tuesday 09 May 17 23:09 BST (UK)
All your searches are saved for you on SP.  They also give you a wee treat every now and then when you get free extra credits!

You can also ask them to improve a poor image you have purchased,, and they usually can!! No charge.

I'll never understand why people think that SP is expensive .... It's the least expensive of them all!
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Liviani on Monday 15 May 17 02:26 BST (UK)
I would like to remind people to use the previous searches and viewed images buttons when they are looking for something on SP, until I got used to the site I kept paying the 1 credit to look at the results of a search when I had already done the search before, 1 credit is not a lot but it soon adds up after a fair number of searches.

Just thought I'd add that you can search SP records now with no cost. The only thing that costs credits is when you're purchasing an image of a record. This is especially useful when searching baptism records as you can often find the names of the parents listed on the search returns themselves, meaning you don't always have to buy an image with credits. The only time I would do this is to find a residence where the child was born and/or where the parents were living.

I do use the other sites to get barebones information first, a starting block on where to thereafter go to get the "official" stuff from SP. I will say though, that the newspaper access through findmypast has recently been incredibly useful to me. I found a marriage notice in a newspaper that referred to a child of a direct ancestor of mine. SP had no record of this child anywhere in the birth/baptism records. It appears the birth just wasn't registered. If it wasn't for this search I would be none the wiser to the existence of this person. I thereafter found her death cert on SP confirming that her parents were indeed my ancestors. Was a very fortunate find.

So, the other sites can and do have their uses, but as long as you take much of what you find with a pinch of salt then thereafter get the official stuff from SP it's all good in my opinion.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Rosinish on Monday 15 May 17 03:02 BST (UK)
I will say though, that the newspaper access through findmypast has recently been incredibly useful to me. I found a marriage notice in a newspaper that referred to a child of a direct ancestor of mine. SP had no record of this child anywhere in the birth/baptism records. It appears the birth just wasn't registered. If it wasn't for this search I would be none the wiser to the existence of this person. I thereafter found her death cert on SP confirming that her parents were indeed my ancestors. Was a very fortunate find.

Liviani, you're right but some people have the idea that SP have not recorded it on their site rather than the fact that a baptism just simply didn't take place or the records didn't survive hence no record on SP.

Annie

Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Liviani on Monday 15 May 17 03:08 BST (UK)
I will say though, that the newspaper access through findmypast has recently been incredibly useful to me. I found a marriage notice in a newspaper that referred to a child of a direct ancestor of mine. SP had no record of this child anywhere in the birth/baptism records. It appears the birth just wasn't registered. If it wasn't for this search I would be none the wiser to the existence of this person. I thereafter found her death cert on SP confirming that her parents were indeed my ancestors. Was a very fortunate find.

Liviani, you're right but some people have the idea that SP have not recorded it on their site rather than the fact that a baptism just simply didn't take place or the records didn't survive hence no record on SP.

Annie

Yes that's an important point. I've had numerous ancestors where there are gaps between baptisms of their numerous children happening or being recorded. It's not a case of missing records (as far as I know) as there are other records for the same parish for those periods.

I think it may be important to note and let people know about the "Disruption of 1843". The Free Kirk was created then.

There is information regarding these events here; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disruption_of_1843

Note that there are events preceding this "great disruption". People walking out of their parish churches etc. This could well play a part in why many children just weren't baptised around that time.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: carlineric on Monday 15 May 17 07:38 BST (UK)
Another date to look for is around 1782 when a tax was introduced on entries in the parish registers.

Eric
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: MaecW on Saturday 21 April 18 09:02 BST (UK)
I am confused by the current search options on Scotland's People.

A cousin of my father's married and had children in Scotland in the period 1930-1960. I know the full names of husband and wife and the place and date of their marriage but no other information except the Christian names of two children (which may not necessarily be their formal names.)

If I were searching on FreeBMD, which of course does not cover Scotland, I would enter the family Surname and the mother's maiden name and an appropriate period and the database would return a list of children matching the criteria.
On SP there seems to be no provision for searching against the parents' names, and entering the child's name, even assuming that it is a correct first name, delivers a list of several dozen. There is then no way to view the entries to see which may be the right one .  The only option offered appears to be to order all the certificates, at substantial cost, with no guarantee that any will be relevant.

Is SP particularly obtuse, or am I just not “holding my mouth right” ?  Any suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated.

Maec
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 21 April 18 09:48 BST (UK)
If I were searching on FreeBMD, which of course does not cover Scotland, I would enter the family Surname and the mother's maiden name and an appropriate period and the database would return a list of children matching the criteria.
On SP there seems to be no provision for searching against the parents' names, and entering the child's name, even assuming that it is a correct first name, delivers a list of several dozen. There is then no way to view the entries to see which may be the right one .  The only option offered appears to be to order all the certificates, at substantial cost, with no guarantee that any will be relevant.
This is because of the cut-off dates for the online system. You are not permitted to access online any details of any birth less than 100 years ago other than the name, year, district and reference number.

There is a way round this, which is to go, or to get someone to go on your behalf, to the Scotland's People Centre. In-house, you can search for birth registrations from 1929 onwards using the mother's maiden surname, and you can view and transcribe the information on the certificates, but not download, save or print the document. There is a charge of £15 per day for a day's use of the SP centre, but if someone is going there anyway, they should be able to transcribe all the details of quite a large family in half an hour or so.

Using FreeBMD, there is no way to view original documents of a similar vintage at all, either online or in-house. You have to buy every individual certificate at £9.25 each. If you order more than one recent certificate at a time from SP they cost £10 each.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: kiwihalfpint on Saturday 21 April 18 10:02 BST (UK)

Liviani, you're right but some people have the idea that SP have not recorded it on their site rather than the fact that a baptism just simply didn't take place or the records didn't survive hence no record on SP.

Annie

Would just like to mention that I had never found a birth for an ancestor early 1820's, no matter what I tried on SP.  Decided to check for the oldest child 1840's birth,  found the baptism though, which gave me the birth date, and a couple of days later looking more closely at the page, my 1820's chap, jumped out at me, he was an adult baptism, a few months before child was born, and it also gave me the full date of birth.

Cheers
KHP
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: MaecW on Tuesday 24 April 18 13:53 BST (UK)
Thank you, Forfarian,
The hundred year rule must be the answer.
I'm not really concerned about certificates in this case, which is just as well as I live much too far away to visit the SP Centre. I know I have these second cousins but we have lost contact with this branch of the family and I just wanted to confirm their full names and DoBs.
I'll have to pursue other avenues. :)

Maec
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: grahamila on Friday 05 April 19 21:17 BST (UK)
I have only recently subscribed to Scotlands People.  Is it possible to obtain a pdf copy of a birth certificate for 1882 in the same way as you can from the GRO for England and Wales?
Graham
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Mckha489 on Friday 05 April 19 21:24 BST (UK)
You just buy your credits and download it instantly MUCH better, and cheaper,   than the English  :)
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: grahamila on Friday 05 April 19 22:03 BST (UK)
Do you have an example of a birth certificate so I know I have found the correct document.  I do not require a certified copy.
Graham
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Craclyn on Friday 05 April 19 22:20 BST (UK)
Graham, Births, Marriages and Deaths are sorted separately. You do not need an example to know what you are looking for.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: KitCarson on Friday 05 April 19 23:39 BST (UK)
You just buy your credits and download it instantly MUCH better, and cheaper,   than the English  :)

I agree, but there are also WELSH indexes available on the GRO.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Finley 1 on Friday 05 April 19 23:52 BST (UK)
The SP site is a little confusing at first.   there are TWO seperate searches one SET For pre 1855 and another set for post.

each set contains Birth marriage and deaths if they have them.. there are also Census return searches and Valuation Rolls  plus other kinds of searches to explore.

If you go carefully you often get brilliant results  and when they find your request the certificate is there ready to download.

YOU add credits at the start of your search and then attempt to use them sparingly.... ha ha.. never managed that.

but investigate the site before you start.. its great because the certs after 1855 are so full of added information maiden names and parents details.. brilliant...
ok..

be careful when searching for marriages that is when I mess up... with maiden names and things.

the best thing is they save your certs.. I used to have zilllllls saved but dont check now since the big change not sure if they still have them from when i started using the site way back..

xin
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Mckha489 on Saturday 06 April 19 00:01 BST (UK)
You just buy your credits and download it instantly MUCH better, and cheaper,   than the English  :)

I agree, but there are also WELSH indexes available on the GRO.

Yes, of course  :)
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 06 April 19 07:30 BST (UK)
the best thing is they save your certs.. I used to have zilllllls saved but dont check now since the big change not sure if they still have them from when i started using the site way back..
Yes. I keep coming across certs I had looked up years ago and completeley forgotten about.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: curiousgeorge1 on Saturday 06 April 19 08:51 BST (UK)
I always get a buzz when I see ‘paid’ on a cert I had previously forgotten.

And the free search facility has helped me look after my credits. You can learn a lot from the searches.

You get so used to everything being there that it is a chore when you find something not available at the click of a button eg a more recent will. Need to get up to the history room in Edinburgh 😁
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: dowdstree on Saturday 06 April 19 09:19 BST (UK)
If you are coming to Edinburgh it would be advisable to book your seat in advance. It is easy to do online through the SP website. £15 for a whole day's researching + cost of credits you need to get your certificates.

One wee bit of advice if you get some certificates that you want to keep (and who doesn't when they are there) it costs 6 credits to download them to your own device but you can print them out for 2/3 credits if memory serves me right and then scan them in when you get home. Cheaper to do it this way if it suits you.

Happy hunting,

Dorrie
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: curiousgeorge1 on Saturday 06 April 19 13:28 BST (UK)
Thanks for this. I’ve used the search room before, a long time ago.

The wills, I think, are viewable in the history room. You have to ask for the relevant books a few days in advance so this will need planning.

Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 06 April 19 17:31 BST (UK)
If you are coming to Edinburgh it would be advisable to book your seat in advance. It is easy to do online through the SP website. £15 for a whole day's researching + cost of credits you need to get your certificates.
There is no additional cost for certificates unless you print them out. If you transcribe the information there is no extra charge.

You aren't allowed to save them to a memory stick now, because someone's stick introduced a virus that crashed the system a year or two ago.

And I don't think you can print birth certificates less than 100 years old, marriages less than 75 years old or deaths less than 50 years old - you can only transcribe the information from them.

Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: gjs1949 on Saturday 06 April 19 17:48 BST (UK)
Do they allow taking photographs of the on screen certificates?
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Saturday 06 April 19 17:57 BST (UK)
Do they allow taking photographs of the on screen certificates?
No. There are actually notices specifically forbidding this.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: raonull4 on Wednesday 06 November 19 11:50 GMT (UK)
hi forfarian
                i ve just read your origonal post,
and agree fully with scotlands people being the best source of origional docs,
but i ll add that for anyone visiting the scottish isle's such as isle of lewis,
doing research is ask the locals as on  our very first visit there researching
we got directed to an old lady and in her possession was the registrars book
going back into the 1700s,
how many instances there is of these books still being in the possession of registrars famillies
there is, is anyones guess but it has to be worth asking questions of locals  as we found their knowledge of local famillies was vast and of great help to us as my wife discovered she still has many relatives there as she has local to where we live now,

keep up the good work
Raonull4
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 06 November 19 12:53 GMT (UK)
for anyone visiting the scottish isle's such as isle of lewis, doing research is ask the locals as on  our very first visit there researching we got directed to an old lady and in her possession was the registrars book going back into the 1700s,how many instances there is of these books still being in the possession of registrars famillies there is, is anyones guess
If it goes back to the 1700s, it can't be a registrar's book, because there were no registrars before the start of civil registration 1855.

But I agree, there are probably still some pre-1855 parish registers which escaped being collected in 1855, and registers of churches other than the Church of Scotland which are still in private hands. I hope this lady has taken steps to make sure the book is kept safe and the information is made available.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: raonull4 on Wednesday 06 November 19 14:06 GMT (UK)
hi
 your most probably correct and it was parish register,
as for where the book is now i d hope it was possibly
handed over to the carloway historical society,
the lady was fairly old when we met her but that means very little
as another lady we met was 103 this year and i must say it was a treat meeting that lady,
and what a fantastic memory she had in her 90s when we met her mowing her garden,
the conversation was a touch strange while we asked questions the lady and a friend
would discus the question in gaelic then answer it in english,
those experiences makes the reserching all worth while.

Raonull4
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 06 November 19 14:28 GMT (UK)
Fantastic!

About 30 years ago I met a distant relative who was 100, and it was really interesting to hear how things were around 1900 when she was a girl.
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: raonull4 on Wednesday 06 November 19 14:42 GMT (UK)
whats really sad
                        is we did nt start researching till it was to late
our own parents and grandparents where gone, so many questions without answers
photos in suitcases but whos in them,
what ever happened to granda s brother wounded 5 times at the somme
we know why he was wounded he was a piper we know he survived
married twice once unlawfully had kids but then where did he go,
so wish we d started searching earlier.

Raonull4
Title: Re: Scotland's People, Ancestry, FamilySearch etc: which to use?
Post by: Forfarian on Thursday 03 September 20 21:32 BST (UK)
Useful article from the Durham Records Online newsletter that ties in with the content of this thread:

https://durhamrecordsonline.com/updates/2020/08/some-notes-about-familysearch-org/