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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: *Sandra* on Saturday 28 February 15 21:09 GMT (UK)
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Any idea of a surname (not the number) ??? - at first I though Mrs Paradis/Paradio
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Paradis?
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Hi, I can see "Paradis" ........................ That's a nice "P", I thought it was a "D" at first glance, I also thought about Parasis.
Frank.
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Yes that was the obvious thought but nothing has materialised on US Census.
Sandra
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Occupation 350 is Retired from Employment in the 1911 census. Surely as this is the sister of a known person it would be possible to get a clue from elsewhere? However, Paradis is a French surname.
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350 does not refer to the occupation - the address the person was going to was 350 Pennsylvania Avenue Brooklyn New York.
Sandra
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350 does not refer to the occupation - the address the person was going to was 350 Pennsylvania Avenue Brooklyn New York.
Sandra
Did you tell us this was an American record?
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Could it be "Panadis"?
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350 does not refer to the occupation - the address the person was going to was 350 Pennsylvania Avenue Brooklyn New York.
Sandra
Did you tell us this was an American record?
Yes, reply 3 said "nothing materialised on US census"
Unfortunately - Doesn't appear to be any Brooklyn City Directories for the period - 1914 - 1932 - not published
http://www.nysl.nysed.gov/genealogy/citydir.htm
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I'm wondering if there are two letters combined with one of them being a capital C.
Would it help to show a larger section of the record? What does the P in Pennsylvania Avenue look like?
sami
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Is the name Caradis?
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Looks like ' Sister Iris Faradis '
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Hi, Are you able to give us a bit more context please. You've said the time period is 1914- 1932? But if this is a form that is filled out for a visitor won't the exact date be known?
Family Search has the 1940 census and also there is a 1925 NY city census. A Google search on the address shows that the building there now is an apartment building built approx 1930.
From the writing it looks to me that it is 'American'. See the S & M that begin Sister and Mrs. if it is a US official writing it rather than the person visiting then the name could be any number of variations ie may not end in 'is' but 'us' or 'os'
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My vote is for Sister Mrs Paradis.
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My vote is for Sister Mrs Paradis.
Yes I agree but it would help us to help the poster if some context was given.....even another part of the record she is looking at such as the 'P' in Pennsylvania Avenue as suggested by Sami above.
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My vote is for Sister Mrs Paradis.
Mine too, BUT ....
May I ask about the line immediately below (ie the line that is NOT displayed)…. How much of the penmanship of that hidden entry has merged in with the line we are looking at? I am fairly confident it reads Sister Mrs followed by the surname of Mrs …………. But the Capital letter of that surname is confusing.
So, are there other examples on that same page for the words:
Sister
Mrs
And for the capital letters of each of the letters of the Alphabet? :) :)
The second letter of that surname is ‘a’
The third letter of that surname is likely ‘r’ as in Sister, but could be ‘n’ or ‘v’
The fourth letter is ‘a’
The fifth letter could be ‘d’ but it could also be ‘s’
The sixth letter is ‘i’ with its dot nearly to the 3
The seveth letter is ‘s’
Cheers, JM
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I agree that some more examples of the writing/letters would be very useful.
However, I also think that sometimes analysing and comparing letter by letter with others written by the same hand may not help. It can happen that the same hand can form (the same) letters differently elsewhere in the document or even in the same words.
But yes, it is still good to compare where possible. :)
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:)
Its the flourishes in that surname that's confusing :)
Cheers, JM
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Agreed. I tried to work out how the (possible) first letter 'P' was formed but can't manage to do so. :-\
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Agreed. I tried to work out how the (possible) first letter 'P' was formed but can't manage to do so. :-\
That's why I began to wonder if it was two letters combined. I would like to see the first letter in Pennsylvania but Sandra hasn't been back yet.
sami
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I think there's two separate strokes.
I think the first one starts where my red arrow mark shows
I think the next stroke starts where my blue arrow mark shows and I think it continues UP through the first stroke, and then turns DOWN where my green arrow shows, and then works itself back into and through that first stroke and then out again
Which of course is why I am finding it confusing....
Please excuse my poor puter paint job. I am far more familiar with my own pen and ink but fascinated with this particular flourish.
Cheers JM
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That is how I thought the letter was formed too JM. To me it seemed an odd place to begin second stroke.
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It makes sense when you show it that way JM, but doesn't it seem like a cumbersome way to form the letter?
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Yes, very cumbersome.... Its that very cumbersomeness that is confusing me.
;D
JM
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If you follow this link you will see an example of a type of US handwriting called the Palmer Style. Look at the P. Also R.
https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=american+handwriting+styles&biw=1680&bih=852&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=bUv5VJhJxrubBZmvgZgH&ved=0CBsQsAQ#imgdii=_&imgrc=ZIWkRdumx5fd8M%253A%3B3Ef5Qxls7zjSUM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.sheilalowe.com%252Fimages%252FPalmer.gif%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.sheilalowe.com%252Fsupport.php%3B1716%3B1164
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Perhaps P Caradis. Or Carradis just 'cos there is a Lillie B Holmes born in England in 1877 died California in 1966 whose mother was a Carradis according to Family Search.
Getting desperate!