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Gabriel TIPPET married Catherine TOCKER in Wendron on 6 Feb 1674
Their son, John (13 Dec 1675), married Katherine DUNSTONE in Wendron on 26 Dec 1701
Their son, Henry (24 Jun 1711), married Alice PENHALERICK in Wendron on 1 Jun 1733
I should much appreciate any help in finding the ancestors of Gabriel, Catherine and Katherine.
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Hi
Have been looking through the Wendron records but not finding anything,
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11625-18606-37?cc=1769414&wc=M6NJ-G29:138123201,142405601,142417201
It would be good to find the origins of Katherine Dunstone as the Benjamin Hosking (the son) in my tree married an Ann Dunstone from Wendron (looks like our tree's may have another connection)
claire
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Claire,
You're right - the DUNSTONE name is too much of a coincidence for there not to be a connection. What date(s) do you have Ann?
George
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Hi
Anne Dunstone bapt. 25 Oct. 1772 Wendron.
Parents: Bennet Dunstone and Grace B*stard.
Married Benjamin Hosking 25 June 1794 Falmouth.
Claire
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Hi George,
Found this on another site:
Henry DUNSTONE born c1630 married Katherine RICHARD 23 Nov 1652 in Wendron.
A son William born c1650
William DUNSTONE married Grace MANNET 25 Aug 1679 Wendron.
2 children:
Richard born c1678
KATHERINE born c1680
http://www.greenaus.com/genealogy/maternal/matg01.htm#10
Would be nice to find baptisms for these children
Another site which verifies Williams baptism (30 Dec 1655 Wendron)
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~peterpjw/FHdunstone.html
claire
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Claire,
I have Catherine HOSKINS (29 May 1733, St Goran) m John THOMAS in Mylor, 12 May 1758.
Another link or what?
Although my ancestors' BMD's were recorded in Mylor, they actually lived in Flushing, which did not have its own church until much later, and Flushing is, of course, right opposite Falmouth. In fact, when my mother was a young girl, she had her weekly music lessons in Falmouth and the ferry-men used to 'hold' the ferry for her if she was delayed. It was actually much easier to get from Flushing to Falmouth than it was to get to Mylor! Some more digging is obviously needed on both the HOSKIN and DUNSTONE lines.
Regards
George
PS
Your next posting arrived whilst I was typing the above. I'll look at it and come back to you
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Claire,
Thank you. That is obviously 'my' Katherine DUNSTONE. I shall add her parents to my roots, and get digging.
Regards
George
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Claire,
Not a link, but quite a coincidence. Katherine RICHARD and I share a surname, although I have an extra 's' on mine!
George
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Claire,
Three more children of William DUNSTONE in Wendron:-
28 May 1685 Samuel
11 May 1688 William
16 Feb 1689/90 Elizabeth
but no sign of Katherine.
Incidentally, I forgot to mention that my surname is of Welsh origin.
Regards
George
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Claire,
Apparently, Wendron baptisms are complete on FreeReg, so Katherine DUNSTONE must have been baptised outside the parish.
Unfortunately, most of the surrounding parishes have not been transcribed back that far.
Regards
George
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Hi George,
I'm having the same problem looking for a baptism for Bennet the father of Anne Dunstone.
However I have found this record for a Catherine Tocker, not sure if it might be a bit early but it's in the area
Katheryn HARVEY (TOOKER) bapt. 28 Sep 1636 Constantine.
Parents: Thomas TOOKER and Sara HARVEY
Possibly parents were not married if both surnames were given, there is a marriage at Constantine in 1639 of Thomas TOOKER to Jane HUNT
claire
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Claire,
You're right - it is a bit early, but, if it's the right one, she would still only be 38 on her marriage in 1674.
The surname seems to be fairly rare, and Constantine is contiguous with Wendron, so there must be a good chance that she is OK.
It looks as if Gabriel & Catherine had only two more children:-
05 Mar 1676/77 Katherine TEPPET
24 Feb 1681/82 Samuel TIPPAT
by which time Catherine would have been 46, which might explain why the family was limited.
Regards
George
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Hi
Wonder if Gabriels father was a Gabriel ?
FS have this baptism
Richard TEPPAT bp. 2 March 1655 Wendron. Father: Gabrial TEPPAT
Wendron records have it too, plus
Thomas bp. 7 Feb 1646 son of GABRYYAN TIPPAL
Barven ? bp. 27 Apr. 1669 son of Gab.ll
there seems a big gap in between baptisms
claire
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Claire,
I think you're right, a gap of 23 years is generational rather than familial. The odds must be that Gabriel was the son of Gabriel.
Incidentally, I notice that the TIPPET family is found of OT names. In addition to Gabriel I've found Samuel and Daniel in different generations.
George
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Claire,
On the LUCE family, I seem to remember that Clare Booth LUCE was a US Ambassador or some such. Any link?
George
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Hi George,
There has been much debate of this branch of the Luce family. Clare Boothe Luce ( Ann Clare Boothe) married Henry LUCE who was a direct descendant of the one of the first recorded Luces in America ~ Henry Luce bn c1640 United Kingdom. But no-one can pinpoint where he was born.
It is said the Luce family originated from France and were of Huguenot descent and settled into the U.K. I know my Luce ancestors appear in the St Stephens by Saltash registers as early as the 1500's, but I'm not sure.
claire
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Hi,
This could be a long post so bear with me.
Found another Katherine TOCKER baptism, which I think is more than likely correct given the date.
KATERIN TOOKER bp. 24 June 1647 Breage, dau. of James and Anna.
Other siblings ~ Thomas bp. 12 Sept. 1637, John bp. 9 May 1640 and Elizabeth bp. 4 June 1643.
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Having not found any BMD of Gabriel TIPPET, who could be the father of your Gabriel~ or any baptism of your Gabrial either, I decided to check Hearth Tax Records and Protestation Rolls,where he should appear. In the Hearth Tax records of 1664 there is no Gabriel in Wendron but a GAVERGAN TIPPETT who is the father of a Gavergan Tippett. I think Gavergan and Gabrial are one and the same.
Look at the image of the marriage between Gabrial Tippet and Catherine Tocker, that could be Gavri, it is shortened from something ~ maybe Gavergan
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-266-11625-27139-30?cc=1769414&wc=M6NJ-G29:138123201,142405601,142417201
I then turned to the Protestation Rolls of 1641, there is one record for TIPPET in Wendron ~ John TEBBAT. However Gaverigann TIPPETT shows up in St Wenn, it has to be him, that is an unusual name. If the family originate in St Wenn it could explain why there is no baptism record for your Gabrial/Gaverigan in Wendron he could have been born in St Wenn
I have found a tree of this family and this is what they have :
Gaverigan TIPPET ( 1610 - 1666) married Jane ?,
children: Gaverigan 1640, Daniel 1645, Thomas 1646, Ann 1650 and Richard 1655.
Son GAVERIGAN bn 1640 married firstly URSULA WOOD 22 Oct 1667 Wendron, and had children
Jane 1667, Gaverigan 1679 and Thomas 1670.
URSULA TIPPET nee WOOD buried 25 March 1671 Wendron
Gaverigan Tippett remarried Catherine Tocker and had children
John 1675, Katherine 1676 and Samuel 1681.
From this point you know John TIPPETTS history.
So the question is ~ Is Gabrial really Gaverigan ? It could be worth looking into. I can let you have the details of Wills left by Gaverigan and Jane Tippet ( the parents).
Regards
claire
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George
Have you seen this record ?
A Henry TIPPETT of Wendron labourer, was charged with a felony at the Sessions held at Lostwithiel 15 July 1740 ~ to be transported to America for 7 years.
Bodmin sessions 6 October 1741 ~ Treasurer to pay Philip Lyne, Clerk of the Peace, one guinea for preparing contracts for transporting Strout and other convicts in April 1740, one guinea for Foss and Tippett in Oct. 1740.
Bodmin sessions 7 October 1741 ~ Treasurer (east) to pay Philip Lyne, Clerk of the Peace, usual allowance of one guinea for contracts for transportation of Thomas Foss and Henry Tippett (previously convicted).
You may have had a naughty ancestor in the family :)
claire
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Claire,
Just to acknowledge, with thanks, all your posts. It's going to take me some time to absorb all the info contained therein.
Concerning naughty ancestors, we have one who, on leaving the army, abandoned his wife and children in S Wales, married another woman in Lancs, started another family then emigrated to NZ. We've made several visits to the RO in Preston to trace his antecedents.
George
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George
Hope you are absorbing all this new info... I do have more !!
My 2nd cousin 10x removed was a man called Bennet PRIOR bn c1680 Wendron. He married Elizabeth TIPPETT, grandaughter of Gaviragen TIPPET ( who maybe Gabriel) 13th June 1706.
Have been looking into records at St Wenn, and there were TIPPETTS there. A book written had this to say on the TIPPETTS ~ " Tippett Nankivel whose descendants became Tippett alias Nankivel and then just Tippett simply. They became settled at St Colomb Major and St Wenn"
In the visitations of Cornwall 1620 I found this interesting marriage : Richard Nankevill to Mary dau. of JOHN GAVEREGAN, here is a link
https://archive.org/stream/visitationofcoun09vivi#page/n169/mode/2up
And now we move into Lancashire...Lots of my relatives were born in Lancs. My mum was born in Preston, I spent most of my summers with my Grandparents who lived there, and I too have relatives that emigrated to New Zealand~ it really is a small world !!
claire
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Claire,
I've posted a query in the Common Room concerning the Gabriel/Gaverigan puzzle. I think we are dealing with the same person, but I thought I'd see what the general opinion would be.
George
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Claire,
I'm starting to get my teeth into all the info. you've supplied, so, yes, I should be grateful if you would let me have the Wills of Gavrigan and Jane TIPPET.
George
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Hi George,
These are just the abstracts, there are question marks in places where the Wills were damaged/to frail/ or too hard to read.
GAVRIGAN TIPPETT
Gaverigan TIPPITT of Wendron, Fuller
Dated 10 Jul 1666
To wife Jane TIPPITT, house, feeldes and garden, part of Higher Tremethick, and various household items
To son Gaverigan ? ?
To son Daniel ? ?
To daughter Ann, 20L at age 18
To son Richard TIPPITT, 10L to be paid after 9 years, and to be maintained by executor
Overseer: Michael HILL esq.
Signed Gaverigan TIPPITT
Witnesses: Michael HILL, Richard THOMAS
Inventory taken 20 Sep 1666 by Thomas HUNKIN and Digory PEN…?, valued at 72L ? s 6d.
Proved 7 Feb. 1767.
JANE TIPPET
Jane TIPPETT of Wendron, Widow
Dated 27 Jun 1694
To son Gaverigan TIPPETT, 1s to be paid within 1 month
To son Richard TIPPETT, 1 piece of gold of value 5s
To grandson Peter TIPPETT, son of Daniel TIPPET, the sum of …s
To grandsons Richard TIPPETT and John TIPPETT, sons of Daniel TIPPETT, 5s each at age 16
To granddaughter Ann TIPPETT, daughter of Daniel TIPPETT, 1 gold ring and wearing apparel, except 1 cloth coate to Mary WILLS alias TUBBY
To granddaughter Elizabeth TIPPETT, daughter of Daniel TIPPETT, 5s to be paid within 2 months
Son Daniel TIPPETT, executor & residue
The sign of Jane TIPPETT
Witnesses: Wm ALEXANDER, Donnet ALEXANDER, the sign of Richard MENNAR
Inventory taken 4 Apr 1712 by William ALEXANDER and Thomas TONKEN junr - valued at 13L 5s
Proved 16 May 1712
Administration granted to Alice TIPPETT, widow, executrix of the of the estate of Daniel TIPPETT
The following list of names appears on the wrapper of the will: Gav: TIPPET, Richard TIPPETT, Daniel TIPPETT, Ann Wood, Peter TIPPET, John TIPPET, Ann WOOD, Elizabeth PRYOR.
Son DANIEL TIPPETS Will
Daniell TIPPET of Wendron, Yeoman
Dated 17 Oct 1711
To son Peter, tenement of Trelobus Wartha in the Parish of Wendron, the inheritance of Samuel FOOT Esq, his term to commence after the death of his mother.
To son John, 2 messuages or tenements in the Parish of Wendron, part of Higher Trenethick, the inheritance of Sampson HILL of Trenethick Esq.
To daughter Ann WOOD, wife of John WOOD, 5s to be paid within 12 months
To daughter Elizabeth PRYOR, wife of Bennet PRYOR, 20L to be paid within 12 months
To wife Alice (executrix), tenement of Trelobus Wartha during her life and residue
Signed Daniell TIPPETT
Witnesses: Wm ALEXANDER, the sign of John PASCOE, William PRYOR
Inventory 4 Apr 1712 by William ALEXANDER and Thomas TONKEN junr. - valued at 111L 2s 6d.
Proved 15 May 1712.
claire
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Claire,
That's great - many thanks.
George
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Claire,
Gaverigan's Will mentions Higher Tremethick. I suspect that this should be Higher Trenethick, which is located at SW 1668, 0292. I suggest this because Daniel's WILL refers to Trelobus Wartha, SW 1666, 0295, the two places being less than a mile apart, and still in existence today.
George
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Claire,
It looks as if we shall have to make up our own minds on Gabriel/Gavrigan. The Hebrew form is Gavriel, so can you see any way in which Gavriel can mutate into Gavrigan? I've also wondered if Gavrigan is a latinized form of the name, but G***le is no help in the matter, neither is my Latin dictionary. Any thoughts?
George
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Claire,
Someone on the IGI is convinced that Gabriel and Gavrigan are the same person. From what I can see from both your findings and mine, that seems highly probable. In fact, much more probable than assuming that they are two different people. Therefore, I intend to 'run' with it until the contrary can be proven.
George
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Hi
I too have looked at name variants and found this on this site. By putting in GAV(E)RIGAN in the given name box ~ the search will list all variants. In the soundex variants GAVRIGAN became GABRIJEL or GABRIJELA.
http://www.werelate.org/wiki/Special:Names?type=g&name=gavrigan
Maybe the local dialect was a factor in the way the rector recorded the baptisms
Looking at the baptism of Katherine it says~ GABRI TEPPET
John ~ GABRIEL TEPPET
Samuel ~ GABREGON TIPPAT
On a lighter note maybe the clergyman was a little hard of hearing or just couldn't spell :)
claire
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Claire,
To summarise the Wendron situation, I have:-
07 Feb 1646/47 Thomas father Gabryyan TIPPAT
02 Mar 1655/56 Richard " Gabrial TEPPAT
23 Jan 1667/68 Jane " Gav, TEPPAT
27 Apr 1669 Barvan " Gab. TIPPET
29 Nov 1670 Thomas " Gavar. TIPPET
13 Dec 1675 John " Gabriel TEPPET
05 Mar 1676/77 Katherine " Gabriel TEPPET
I deduce from the above that, over the span of 30 years, we are probably dealing with two fathers with a common (or uncommon) Christian name which, with the possible combination of a strong Cornish accent and a hard-of-hearing curate, gets rendered phonetically as what appear to be 5 different names. If only we could find the baptism of Gabriel by Gabriel (or whatever) c1650, that would clinch it.
George
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Claire,
In addition to the children of Gabriel, I also have:-
20 Feb 1670/71 Catherine father Mar. TIPPET
08 Jun 1672 Peter " Daniel TEPPET
19 Apr 1673 Daniel " Daniel TOPPET
26 Apr 1674 Ann " Daniel TIPPET
08 Dec 1674 John " Martyn TEPPET
29 Oct 1676 Elizabeth " Daniel TEPPAT
24 May 1679 Elizabeth " Daniel TEPPAT
George
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Claire,
The Will of Gavrigan TIPPET which you forwarded, includes a bequest:-
"To son Richard TIPPIT 10L to be paid after 9 years........."
implying that said son probably is a minor aged about 11 - 12 years in 1666.
As you pointed out, the IGI has a baptismal record:-
02 Mar 1655 at Wendron, Richard TIPPIT, father Gabrial
I suggest that this is the Richard referred to in the Will and that this, therefore, proves that Gavrigan and Gabrial are one and the same person. Do you agree?
Regards
George
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Hi
Well spotted :) That makes perfect sense, Richard getting his money when he 'comes of age'
I definitely think they are one and the same.
Just trying allsorts to find any references to Gaverigan TIPPETT. Not having much luck at the moment.
claire
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Definitely think that this branch of the TIPPETS may have come from the St Wenn/ St Columb Major area ~ but can't prove it, apart from Gaverigan TIPPETT being in St Wenn c1641.
I have a few Will abstracts for Tippetts in St Wenn, but can't tie them to Gaverigan TIPPETT.
Bit of Trivia ~ Gaverigan ~ Cornish for 'many goats', is derived from a place name in the parish of St. Columb Major. Jennet Gaverigan, widow of John, died in 1619 and was the last person to bear the name as a surname. For several generations female descendants of this family foisted Gaverigan as a given name on some of their sons.
claire
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Claire,
I've posted the results of our findings to Craclyn in 'The Common Room', and suggested that we can now close that topic.
George
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Claire,
Following your suggestion re the origins of the TIPPET family, I've e-mailed a query to the OPC for St Wenn to see if he can help us. Unfortunately, St Columb Major does not have an OPC at present.
George
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Hi garlands and Claire.t, I have recently discovered a Dunstone. She is Charity bap. Wendron 15.09.1716, the daughter of Nicholas Dunstone and I believe Prudence Prisk(e).
Charity married William Pearce 17.06.1738 Wendron and had five children.
Have you chanced upon her in your findings? If so that probably indicates we are
related.
I am still working on this side of the family so do not have lot of info. However I have been watching this post with interest.
I am away for a week from Saturday (14th march) but now I have made my mark so to speak I will get notifications and will catch up on my return.
I have not discovered any Tippet or Tocker people in my family history so can't offer any help there!
When I return from my holiday I will knuckle down with the Dunstone's and let you know what I find.
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Claire,
The Will of Daniel TIPPET contains a bequest:-
'To son John, 2 messuages or ........................'
but I have no trace of John, and his position in the Will implies that he comes between Peter (08.06.1672)and Ann (26.04.1674), a place taken in my records by son Daniel (19.04.1673). In fact, there is no space for John until after Ann or between the two Elizabeth's. However, there are two baptismal records for a John in the right time frame but to other fathers, namely:-
08 Dec 1674 John TEPPET s of Martyn
13 Dec 1675 John TEPPET s of Gabriel
so where on earth does Daniel's son John come from, and where does he fit into the picture?
George
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Hi Polly,
Lovely to hear from you.
I don't have a record of any of the DUNSTONE's you mention, so shall start looking. My DUNSTONE links are possibly a generation earlier, and you're very welcome to details if you would like.
Regards
George
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That would be great George if you can let me have some names. It's not so easy going back to the 17th and 16th centuries is it: especially when the mother's name was not recorded ::)
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Polly,
What I've got is:-
Henry DUNSTONE (c1630) m Katherine RICHARD (C1630) in Wendron 23 Nov 1652
Their son
William DUNSTONE (30 Dec 1655) m Grace MANNET (c1658) in Wendron 25 Aug 1679
They had at least 5 children:-
Richard (c1679)
Katherine DUNSTONE (c1680) m John TEPPET in Wendron 26 Dec 1701
Samuel (28 May 1685 in Wendron)
William (11 May 1688 in Wendron)
Elizabeth (16 Feb 1689/90 in Wendron)
and there endeth my DUNSTONE connection!
I hope that some of the above is of use, and I shall continue looking.
George
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Claire,
I've received the following reply from John Evans, the St Wenn OPC:-
"OPC records for St Wenn begin in 1707 (burials), 1708 (baptisms) & 1678 (marriages - Phillimore's)"
so there's nothing he can do for us.
George
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George
IGI has coverage of St Wenn from 1608, although not sure how complete that is.
It's a shame the OPC cannot help more but I'm sure something will come up at some point, new records are released all the time~ we will be lucky one day :)
Just had a look at Jane Tippets Will dated 1694, her bequest " To grandsons Richard TIPPETT and John TIPPETT, sons of Daniel TIPPETT, 5s each at age 16 " ~ would suggest he wasn't that age in 1694.
Will have a look at births after c1678 ~ LOOKED ~ can't find one !!
On 24 May 1679 Daniel baptised Elizabeth, 9 months later on 24th Feb 1680 there is a John baptised but with no parent names....
claire
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Hi Polly
Welcome to the forum :)
I think that most of the Dunstone's in Wendron were descendants of this man
Robert DUNSTONE (bn c1545 - 1597)
But Wendron records are full of Dunstones, and I'm struggling :)
claire
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Polly,
According to the Wendron PR, there is a baptism:-
29 May 1687 Nicholas son of Thomas DUNSTONE
This looks to be your man.
Earlier, there are:-
09 Apr 1665 Thomas son of Joan DUNSTONE
06 Feb 1657/58 Thomas son of Wearne DUNSTONE
One of these probably is Nicholas' father, but more research will be needed to determine which.
Regards
George
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George and Claire...thank you for the info. I will check things out.
Yes Claire there certainly are a lot of Dunstones in Wendron. Also in Stithians it seems, they could well be connected.
Do either of you know how they earned their living?
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Claire,
Curses!!! I missed the reference to Jane's grandsons. I've listed Daniel's children from Peter through to the two Elizabeth's, but did not pick up Richard or John. If John was a minor in 1694, say 14 years' old, he would have been 31 when Daniel wrote his Will and, if Daniel (1673) and Richard were dead by that time, then John would indeed be the second surviving son after Peter, so a birth date of 1680 (following Elizabeth in 1679) would be just right. Was Richard older or younger? Whichever, it probably matters not because presumably he was dead by 1711. It certainly looks as if your baptism on 24 Feb 1680 is our man.
Incidentally, the IGI has a baptism in 1676 for John TIPPET to Daniel and Alice (Harris). We Know, from the Wills, that Daniel's wife was named Alice, so that part is OK, but the date??? There were 18 months between Ann and Elizabeth, so it is possible, and it wouldn't rule out 'your' John if John (1676) died in infancy. It would take much more research to prove things one way or another but, as this family is not in the direct ancestry line, it's probably not worth the effort.
Any thoughts?
George
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Hi George,
BURIALS in Wendron
Jn TEPPAT buried 5 January 1676
Childe of Danl. TEPPET buried 6 May 1678
There is no baptism for John in 1676 in Wendron records, only Elizabeths ~ but I figure the burial in 1678 is Elizabeth, as he baptizes another Elizabeth (my relative) in 1679.
As you say they are not in the direct Ancestry line, so probably not worth looking for at the moment. I would have like to find out where Gavrigan Tippett originated :) maybe one day !!
Have you tried this records for family members, I've found a new branch to work with, another offshoot of my PRYOR/ TIPPETT family
http://ukga.org/england/Cornwall/visitations/
claire
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Claire,
The first Elizabeth was baptized on 29 Oct 1676, so there was time for a baby John to have been born late 1675/early 1676 and died early 1676, whilst the John mentioned in Daniel's Will was the one you found in 1680. What do you think?
George
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George
I think it's possible that the death in January 1676 is the 1st John, and the 1680 baptism is what we are looking for. BUT...
where is Richards baptism ? I have been through those records more than once and there isn't one!
Jane TIPPETT (Gavregans wife) was buried June 1704...wonder why it took almost eight years for her Will to go through probate.
Another puzzle we probably can't solve :)
frustrated,
claire
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Claire,
There are 30 months between the baptism of Ann and the first Elizabeth, viz 26 Apr 1674 and 29 Oct 1676. I suspect, therefore, that Richard and the first John were both born in this time. Certainly, that is where the IGI places John (1676), which would put Richard into very late 1674 or the whole of 1675.
As the family lived so close to the parish border with Helston, maybe that's where Richard was baptized. I'll have a look tomorrow.
George
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Claire,
No luck with Richard or John, other than the one we know about. I've contacted the Helston OPC to see if she can provide any enlightenment.
George
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Claire,
Do you have a date for the burial of Jane TIPPET please?
George
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Hi George
Jane Tippet was buried 24 June 1704 Wendron.
If you look at the children of Daniel and Alice and the years they were born there is an eleven year gap, I wonder, as you say, they were either baptized in Helston or the family moved elsewhere and back in 1690 to baptize Jane.
Daniel and Alice married 26 Dec. 1670
Peter bapt. 8 June 1672
Daniel " 19 April 1673
Ann " 26 April 1674
Elizabeth bapt. 29 Oct. 1676 buried 6 May 1678
Elizabeth " 24 May 1679
Jane bapt. 1 June 1690
The births of John and Richard in between these eleven years, would tie in nicely with the wording of Jane TIPPETS Will " To grandsons Richard TIPPETT and John TIPPETT, sons of Daniel TIPPETT, 5s each at age 16 "
What do you think ?
claire
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Claire,
That certainly looks plausible, but what about the John whom the IGI reckons was baptized in 1676? Have we got 2 John's?
George
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George
Can you send me a link to that record, because I maybe having a senior moment ~ I can't find it :)
claire
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Claire,
I don't know about a link. I mentioned it the first time in 'reply #45'. I've just gone back into the IGI doing a search for John TIPPET in 1676, and it comes up with 2 entries with references:-
1675 MZ65-QZ3
1675 MVXM-HZC
I've no idea what that's all about!
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
George
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Claire,
Just a couple of burials:-
02 Nov 1733 Catherine TOCKER (wife of Gabriel TIPPET)
26 Nov 1764 Katherine DUNSTONE (wife of John TEPPAT)
George
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Hi George
Thanks for those burials.
I've found some RICHARDS in my tree :)
MARTHA RICHARDS bn 1711 Germoe married Benedictus Benjamin Hoskin in Breage died 1782 Breage
This one, more closely related, my 5x Gt Grandmother MARY RICHARDS born 24 Oct 1749 in Whittington, Shropshire married Edward Parry.
Last one Edith Amelia RICHARDS bn 1873 Stoke Damerel, Devon daughter of William Henry and Ann Richards, she married my 1st cousin 4x removed Edwin Mark Rowe Thomson in 1912 India.
Any connection ?
I know Benedictus was the brother of Loveday Hoskin who married John Goninan.
claire
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Claire,
All my RICHARDS ancestry is embedded in mid-Wales, with the exception of Katherine RICHARD whom I only discovered in Cornwall after we had started this topic. She married Henry DUNSTONE on 23 Nov 1652 in Wendron. They are grandparents to Katherine DUNSTONE. So far, I've reached no further back.
George
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Claire,
Gill Hart, the OPC for Helston, has given me this link
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/baptisms/index.php?year_from=&year_to=&parish=Helston&forename1=&surname1=tip%25&forename2=&forename3=&t=baptisms&bf=Search
which seems to open a treasure-trove of Cornwall records. It's highly specific as written (viz. TIPPET baptisms in Helston only), so I've modified it to so I've modified it to cover the whole of Cornwall.
So far, I've only had my hands on it for a few minutes and the only possibly relevant baptism I've found is:-
18 Nov 1716 Sabina TIPPET dr of John
which fits nicely into the gap between the second Elizabeth and Jane. No guarantee that it's 'our' John, particularly as Sabina does not appear to be a family name, but interesting none-the-less.
Anyway, I thought I'd pass it on to you as soon as possible
Regards
George
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Claire,
I think this one is definitely 'ours'
07 Feb 1646 Thomas TIPPAT s of Gabryyan
George
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Claire,
I think we have a problem.
Wendron, 27 Apr 1669 Barvan TIPPET son of Gab
Wendron, 29 Nov 1670 Thomas TIPPET son of Gavar
According to my records, the first Gab (Gavrigan) died in 1666; the second Gab didn't marry until 1674. So, are Barvan and Thomas the illegitimate sons of the second Gab - in which case, why is there no mention of the mother(s)? Or, is there another Gavrigan? Or, have I made a mess of my dates?
Help!!!
George
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Hi George
I'm not on my laptop so can't give exact dates. Gaverigan bn c1640 married twice. Firstly to Ursula Wood c1667 and had 3 children with her.
Jane c1667
Barven c1669 ( could possibly be another Gaverigan) there is another in later parish records)
Thomas c1670
Ursula Tippet dies c1671 and Gaverigan remarries, to Catherine Tocker.
Claire
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Claire,
Thanks - that solves that problem. I'll update my records.
I think I've found Jane:-
23 Jan 1667, Wendron, Jane TEPPAT dr of Grace (sic)
I suspect that 'Grace' is the transcribers best effort to decipher the father's name, which probably is some form of Gaber, Gaver, etc. etc. Without sight of the original, one can only guess.
George
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Claire,
Sorry, I forgot to say that 'Barvan' looks to me suspiciously like a transcriber's interpretation of 'Garvan'. If she was not familiar with the name, she would just have to make a best guess. Certainly, 'Barvan' makes no sense at all when one looks at the family, so I'm going to assume that it is, in fact, Garvan.
George
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Claire,
According to the transcription of the Wendron PR:-
22 Oct 1667 Gavan TIPPET to Ursula WOOD
George
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Claire,
I'm enjoying myself on the Cornwall OPC site. I've found more PENHALURICKs (with 6 different spellings!) than you can shake a stick at! Of possible interest to you, one of them, My 7 x great grand uncle, Matthew PENHALURICK, married Elizabeth RICHARDS in Wendron on 18 Nov 1633, so yet another connection to that surname.
George
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Hi
It's a very good website isn't it, I've used it a few times myself.
I will have a check and see if I can fit Elizabeth RICHARDS in my tree :)
claire
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Hi George
You don't seem to have been on for a while, hope you are okay. :)
claire
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Hi Claire,
Thanks for your consideration.
Yes, I am OK, just come up against too many brick walls so have taken a sabbatical from research and spent some time catching-up on long-neglected filing. I've almost cleared the floor, so it will soon be time to tackle the desk!
Hope you're fit and well.
Regards George
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Hi George
Good to hear you're well... Keep up with the filing!!
Best wishes Claire
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Hi there. I'm new to this site and forum, so I hope I'm doing it right! I'm looking for Tippett's from Cornwall. I'm stuck at the 1881 UK census. I have found on the 1881 Cornwall Hawkers Born census, my 2x great grandfather James Tippett born about 1831 in Mouschole Cornwall, with his wife Mary Ann, his son Richard Henry Tippett my great grandpa, and James' mother-in-law Martha Richards. [On the Find My Past 1881 census, they are living at 25 Exeter Street, Plymouth.] I can't find a birth register of Richard Henry who was born about 1862 either. I've found Martha and Mary in the 1861 census in Truro. Richard Henry eventually ends up in Guernsey. Any information or advise on where to go for information would be appreciated.
Regards Leonie Flemming. [Tippett]
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Hi Leonie,
Yes, you're on the right track, but I'm afraid that I can't be of much help, as my links to the TIPPET line are no more recent than 1763 when Elizabeth TIPPET married Ralph GOLDSWORTHY. However, some of the other respondents to this thread will have more recent links, so it might be worth your while reading it in detail.
I don't know how familiar you are with other sources, but if you haven't used them, you might find feeecen.org and freereg.org useful. As the names imply, the former provides free access to masses of census data, whilst the latter does likewise for pre-1837 parish registers.
I've found RootsChat users immensely helpful over the years, and I'm sure that you will also, and you might like to consider starting a new thread specifically seeking help with Richard Henry.
Regards
George
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Hi there George.
Thanks for the information. I'll have a look on those two sites you mention. Then I'll have a go at starting a new thread.
Cheers
Leonie.
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Hi Leonie,
I should also have mentioned freeBMD.org for help with post-1837 births, marriages and deaths.
Good hunting.
Regards
George
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Hi Claire and George and others: If this thread is not closed, and you are still checking.....maybe you can help me. I just found this website a few days ago due to a very helpful volunteer (Wendron OPC).
I am a direct descendant of Gaverigan Tippet (the one who died in 1666). I have read all the posts, and the Nankevill/Typpett and Gaveregan connections make sense.
I have a couple questions: 1) How do I read the "7 Henry VIII", "17 Henry VIII", etc. in the Visitation books? I know they are references to Henry VIII, and I assume the numbers in front represent years.
2) Regarding Jane Tippet / Teppat (died 1704)....which Gaverigan was her husband? I have a Jane born around 1615 married to Gaverigan (~1610-1666), but if she is the one, she would have been 99 years old at her burial. Can you clear up my confusion?
Also, do either of you have a master chart of these Tippet families from Richard Typpett Nankevill (pre-1600) through the early 1700s? I'm good once I get into the 1730s. It's the years prior to that where I'm not 100% sure. Any help you can provide is greatly appreciated! Thanks!
Paul (Florida, USA)
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Paul,
For what it's worth, I have:-
Elizabeth TIPPET bap Wendron 26 Aug 1739, parents Henry TEPPAT & Alice PENHALERICK, m Wendron 1 Jun 1733
Henry TEPPAT bap Wendron 24 Jun 1711, parents John TEPPAT & Katherine DUNSTONE, m Wendron 26 Dec 1701
John TEPPAT bap Wendron 13 Dec 1675, parents Gabriel TIPPET & Catherine TOCKER, m Wendron 6 Feb 1674
Gabriel TIPPET believed b Wendron ca 1650, parents Gavrigan TIPPET & Jane ????
The assumption is that Gavrigan & Jane married around 1645, having been born around 1620, but I have no evidence on these points.
I don't know if this is of any help, or merely duplicates what you already know.
Regards
George
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Hi Paul
Welcome to RootsChat :) and welcome to another Tippett researcher :)
Did you read this thread ?
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=730827.msg5822927#msg5822927
The visitations of Cornwall are here:
http://ukga.org/england/Cornwall/visitations/
Some Tippett probate records here
http://members.iimetro.com.au/~rosewarne/
I have Jane born at 1615, but like you uncertainty regarding her death/burial. But if you look at the probate records above, transcripts of both Gaverigan and Janes Wills are on there. Her Will was proved in 1694, so a burial around that date is more likely.
Anything you would like help with, I'm quite happy to do.
Claire :)
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Hi George
Hope you are well :)
Best wishes
Claire
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Regarding the '7 Henry V111' and '17 Henry V111' - I think they represent an individual born/married etc. seven years or seventeen years into the reign of King Henry V111 ( he was born 1491, came to the throne 1509 until 1547)
Here is some other lineages from the family
http://gjlegg.com/ancestors4CP.html#John%20Gaverigan42161
Claire
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Claire and George: Thank you both!! I appreciate the help. 1615 to 1694 for Jane seems much better. I've seen the wills, but I couldn't find the 1694 date in hers.
My direct line goes like this:
Richard Typpett Nankevell ~1555-? (wife Mary Gaveregan)
Marke Nankivell ~1585-1647 (wife Phillippa Dagge)
Gaverigan Tippet (Nankivell) ~1610-1666 (wife Jane ?)
Gaverigan Tippet ~1640-1714 (wives Ursula Wood and Catherine Tocker/Tooker)
Gaverigan Tippet 1669-1743 (wife Catherine Mundy; his mother was Ursula Wood)
Thomas Tippet 1696-1764 (wife Susanna Medlen/Medlyn)
Benjamin Tippet 1736-1818 (wife Charity Ivy/Ivey)
Benjamin Tippet 1774-1840 (wife Elizabeth Dally/Dalley)
Samuel Tippett 1824-1897 (he moved with his wife Jane Trezise and their oldest children to Canada around 1854)
Frederick Tippett 1864-1940 (born in St. John, NB, Canada, died in Massachusetts)
Ernest Tippett 1902-1978 (born in Massachusetts, died in Florida)
David Tippett 1926-2013 (my father....died in Florida)
Can either of you confirm that the first 3-4 generations at the top are most likely correct? Once I get past them, I know everything is accurate. But please correct any mistakes I have.
I have seen the Barvan Tippet in the record book, and I hope as you have stated earlier, it should be Gaverigan.
Thanks again for your help! I will check out the links now.
Paul
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Hi Paul
Most of the early records are pre-parish registers and do come from the Visitations, Wills, land records etc. So I would say are correct. The 3rd, 4th and 5th generation I have personally gone through the actual registers so know them to be correct. Just wish a marriage for Gaverigan and Jane can be found.
Here is some extensive research done into the family by an Edith Nankivell
http://www.mumma.org/nankivell/
Claire
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Thanks, Claire! I so appreciate your help and expertise. Thanks for the links as they are very helpful and informative.
If I have more questions, I will let you know.
Paul
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Hi again: Can anyone transcribe this inventory list from 1666 for me? I can make out some of the words but not all. Any help is much appreciated!
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I'll have a go but can't promise it will be correct:
20 September 1666
An inventory of the good and chattels of G Tippett taken by us whose names are underwritten
Imprimis = used to introduce a list of items ( his belongings in this case) or considerations
Due debts
Two cows, one calf and two pigs
Things belonging to a fullers calling ( tools of his trade)
pans, crock(ery) and pewter
One bedstead with a truckle bed, a coverlet and one flock bed
three pieces of cersy ?? ****
In Corne ~ corn perhaps ****
the tableboard, one keeve (tub for brewing,mashing or bleaching) two barrels, 60lbs of lead
His wearing apparel, purse and girdle
things forgotten, not inventoried
**** you could try putting a clip of these on the recognition board, there are some fabulous transcribers on here who may know what they are
claire
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Thanks, Claire! I appreciate it. I will also post to the recognition board as you suggested.
Paul
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An amendment : A crock is a cooking pot with three legs and a handle which was hung over a fire
Corne: it was corn or wheat.
Cerse = Carrsye = Kersey ~ a coarse cloth, which bodes well with his fuller occupation
claire
EDIT: Sorry, hadn't seen you had the answers given in your other post until now :)
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Thank you, Claire!! Very helpful. The more answers, the better!!