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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: jaybelnz on Thursday 05 March 15 08:59 GMT (UK)
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I have family member William McAughtrie, who came to NZ as an Early Settler. To Southland, Otago.
He was still in Scotland on 1861 census aged 14. I did see his name once years ago ... Somewhere online....lost the link, on a list of early settlers. I remember trying to follow that up, but didn't head anywhere, no response.
A family document notes that he married in NZ about 1888 to a young widow, Kate Helen Lavannah Munro, who was apparently 18 years younger than him and already with 3 children. They went on to have 10 more children.
William owned the Bellamore Run, a run at Tarras and a farm at Otiake. Other info from Papers Past show he had even more substantial land holdings in the wider area.
He died in Kurow 1929, aged 29. So I have plenty of stuff on him. Sitting looking at this document I have, which was given to me by a family member when I first visited Ayrshire in 2003!
The family document shows a transcript of an ad in the Ayr Advertiser newspaper of 26th May 1864. "SS SERILLA" sailed from Gourock Bay on Saturday for Southland New Zealand. There were upwards of 250 passengers A large body of emigrants are from the town of Girvan, being sent out by the Government to The Colony".
And then a comment, "Perhaps this is how William got to NZ did he get a land grant and a free passage? " who knows, and he can't tell me until I join him upstairs! He died 20th March 1929 in Kurow and is buried in the Kurow cemetery.
My only problem is, I can't find him on a Passenger list! FindMyPast, ANCESTRY, ANYWHERE, I tried emailing to relevant Museums etc., even the Hocken stuff, but not even any replies. About 14 public trees for him on Ancestry, none of which give any details about his passage to NZ, even though they have his marriage, chn etc.
Ok. Bottom line ...... Can anybody find out please how and when he came to NZ ??? I would be so chuffed to find this final detail for him after 15 years or so!
Thank you for any help you can offer! Much appreciated
Jeanne 😃
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Wonder if this is him in the 1881 census William McAughtree b Barr Ayrshire 1847 address Hudspiths High Brickworth Cambusnethan Wishaw .Vagrant and General Labourer at the home of a Francis O Brian ?
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Ooh Rosie! Could well be! Naughty boy! I'll certainly keep that in mind and do a bit more digging. it's only 7 years or so before he married in NZ, so indeed possible! If it is him, that narrows my time frame down a bit fir his passage to NZ. I have truckloads of William McAughtrie's born in Barr around that time, and the same with Thomas McAughtries. The McAughtrie family were long time generational residents of Barr, a very small Village in Ayrshire. Nearly all the males were either Thomas or William, agricultural too! Very helpful!
I have him at home with his parents in 1851, the youngest of 11 children.
The last census Scotland census entry I have for him is in Barr, 1861, aged 14, at Changue Farm, as an agricultural labourer. But my document only has his name on the entry, so I might look into that census entry a little further, and to see if it's a family farm.
Thanks so much for that! He might have been deported!! Oh dear!
My military side of my family buys his son a commission, maybe he was a remittance man!
Every little bit helps
Thanks again,
Jeanne 😃
Modified to add that ship was not Serrila, but SeVilla. Just checked the ships to NZ site yet again, to find the name of the ship which brought the Scottish emigrants to Southland was SEVILLA. So I'll keep at it, but right now its time for bed!
J
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Hi Jeanne,
I haven't found a passenger record for him, but a William MCAUGHTRIE married Kate Hellen (sic) Lavannah MCKINNON in 1886. So assuming this is your ancestors, Kate's maiden name was most likely MUNRO.
Another source provides an exact date for the marriage: 7 October 1886.
A William MCAUGHTRIE appears in the Otago Nominal Index (record: Mt Ida Electoral Rolls) between 1873 and 1883, so I suspect that the 1881 UK Census record above might not relate to him, and that he emigrated prior to 1873.
You might want to contact the Oamaru branch of the New Zealand Society of Genealogists to see if they have more information.
And there is a record of the Maniatoto Mt Ida Pastoral Inv. Co. dating to 1884:
"Miner, shareholder, 1876/10, 1877/12, 1878/19
1880-Rugged Ridges, shepherd, 1883/20-Waitaki, Stn
Manager"
Spades
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A link to the passenger list of the 1864 voyage of the Sevilla to Bluff.
http://www.angelfire.com/ok2/cbluff/sevilla1864.html
I can't see a MCAUGHTRIE.
Description of the voyage:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&d=ST18640917.2.15.6
Information regarding the voyage and passengers.
http://www.familytreecircles.com/passengers-of-the-sevilla-otago-1864-57081.html
It appears that the Sevilla made an earlier voyage in 1859, one passenger being a Miss Flora MCKINNON (probably just a coincidence... :-\) mentioned here (use the Find function)
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nzbound/oesa.htm
Spades
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This September 2010 newsletter of the Dunedin Family History Group includes a list of known passengers arriving at the post of Bluff between 1862 and 1864. Again no MCAUGHTRIE but of course he may have travelled 'before the mast' as a crew member.
http://www.dunedinfamilyhistory.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/DFHG-2010-September-newsletter.pdf
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A couple of mentions appear in this thesis:
canterbury.ac.nz/bitstream/10092/5634/1/hall_thesis.pdf
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I have family member William McAughtrie, who came to NZ as an Early Settler. To Southland, Otago.
He was still in Scotland on 1861 census aged 14.
He died in Kurow 1929, aged 29.
Something not right with numerals here ???
Died 1929 aged 29 so born 1900 but was on 1861 census ???
Annie
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Thanks Spades for your efforts and info. Funny thing, last night I was reading that exact same article on Familytree circles! Anyway, I shall plod on, and see what I can garner from Oamaru NZSG.
I see you have Wigtonshire on your list. This William McA's grandfather, my 4th great grandfather, Was born and married there!
Anyway, thanks again Spades, much appreciated!
Jeanne 😃
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Sorry Annie, pure typo... he was 83 when he died. My mistake!
:) Jeanne
Thanks again Spades, I'll check out that thesis!
Would You believe I'm sitting here in my dressing gown, haven't even had my shower yet! Now I gotta go and get cracking to get groceries, and the weather is packing in, a few wind gusts and looks like the promised rain is about to hit us here in Wgtn.
Jeanne
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Do you have William's death certificate? This should tell you how many years he had lived in New Zealand.
Spades
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I've just had a look for him on Papers Past http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/
Just under 100 hits for "mcaughtrie" but over 300 (and more historical references) for "m'aughtrie". I see he enjoyed curling. His wife died in 1918, her surname given as MUNRO.
Can you confirm her maiden name?
Spades
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I don't have a death or marriage certificate for them unfortunately. Looks as though I might have to splash out on that one! Her maiden name was Munro.. Kate or CATHERINE Helen Lavannah Munro. She married Alexander Hector McKinnon in 1881, and then William McA in 1886. There is a reference in the family document to the 1st marriage, she seems to have married under the name Munro, although there is "McKinnon Widow" scribbled beside it. But the only way I can be entirely sure of that as well I guess - is to open the Wallet!
I found the info re the McKinnon marriage on an Ancestry public tree, but it's unsourced, but with her quite distinctive name, and the only public tree on there amongst quite a few for her and William McA, I'm picking that it's probably ok. So the cert would be good to confirm that too!
Yes Spades, heaps of stuff on Papers Past, even down to his appt to a school committee! Govt sheep returns etc! The McAughtrie family continues to thrive in the area. Years ago, I was in contact with one of their direct descendants in Oamaru. It was she that sent me the document that I have. Pity there's nothing it it about how and when he came to NZ, apart from the reference to the ship Sevilla, from the Ayr Newspaper.
Sadly We lost contact, and I believe that she may have passed away. She was unmarried and no children to confirm that.
Oh well, thanks again for your input people, I'll see what I can do about a death cert. and I'm about to email the Oamaru genealogy people.
😃 Jeanne
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With her unusual combination of christian names this looks like her
1881/2093 Kate Ellen Savannah Munro to Alexander Hector McKinnon
The children
1882/4366 McKinnon William Grant /Kate Ellen Savannah /Alexander Hector
1883/8829 McKinnon Margaret Robertson /Kate Helen Lavannah /Alexander Hector
1884/12876 McKinnon Alexander Hector /Kate Hellen Lavannah /Alexander Hector
Alexander's death
1884/450 McKinnon Alexander Hector 30Y
marriage
1886/3385 Kate Hellen Lavannah McKinnon to William McAughtrie
Cheers Janette
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Hi Janette,
Been for any bike rides recently? 😜
Thanks for that info re Kate! Great!
I have been searching electoral rolls today and the earliest NZ entry for William is 1875, aged 28. Mount Ida Spec Gully, Sod and Iron house! I have several more, which is good, but the earliest one gives me a tighter timeframe to find the beginning of that big OE experience!
1880 shows him still in Mount Ida, by now aged 33, and now a miner! Wonder if he was after the GOLD! He certainly seemed to finish up owning a lot of property!
I have a lot of living relatives in the areas of Invercargill and Oamaru, and Canterbury, but not of this family. I remembered that I do however have a keen genealogy buff in Nightcaps from a different family line of my Watson grandmother, the one that married a McAughtrie! He has access to his own Club stuff and also a lot if CD's that he has himself. I didn't even think about asking him until this afternoon, as its usually just Watson stuff that we confer on! DUH! So I've emailed him as well!
The more the merrier I guess!
People tell me that Researching family history is either unhealthy and obsessive to the point of OCD, and nothing else matters, OR good for the brain.....and keeps the thinking and analytical parts of the brain sparking!! But I'm beginning to wonder which category I fit into! A bit of both I guess 😃
Thanks again
Jeanne 😃
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I have just opened my wallet, got out my card and ordered his death Certificate online! Well a printout of the record as the little notice on the site said it has more information on it!
Seemed to be the best option at this stage! Thank you so very much all for your help!
Cheers
Jeanne 😃
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Kate Helen Lavannah McAughtrie
Death Date: Jul-Aug-Sep 1932
Registration Place: Kurow, Otago, New Zealand
Folio Number: 2989
ADDED...Just noticed this entry:
His wife died in 1918, her surname given as MUNRO.
??? ??? ;D ;D :o :o
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Kate Helen Lavannah McAughtrie
Death Date: Jul-Aug-Sep 1932
Registration Place: Kurow, Otago, New Zealand
Folio Number: 2989
His wife died in 1918, her surname given as MUNRO.
Could the 1932 death be a daughter ???
Annie
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Online tree with photo of Catherine has her 1865 - 1932
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01evq/
Annie
Added.............Also a photo of William
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Maybe hoping for too much but could this be William, written as McNaughton which isn't too different from this 1851 transcription (William McNughtrie) ???
Wm McNaughton
Gender: Male
Age: 37
Birth Year: abt 1849
Date of Arrival: 7 Jun 1886
Vessel: Norwegian
Port of Arrival: Quebec, Quebec, Canada
Port of Departure: Glasgow, Scotland
The last census sighting in Scotland (1861) has his occ. as Agricultural Labourer & this William is down as a Farm Labourer which may just be a coincidence ???
Annie
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Thanks Annie. You've been a busy woman. The earliest I have picked up my William in NZ 1875, so not your McNaughton person. Good theory though!
He married Kate (Catherine) about 1886, and she died 4th July, 1932 aged 67. Her death info has been taken from her headstone in Kurow Cemetery, and is just some of the info contained in the family document that I have. It's a great little piece of work actually, very detailed as to his life and family in NZ, and Scotland, but as I mentioned in my original post, that one vital element missing..... puts when and how did he get here! At the very least, I know he must have come " across the water"!
And yes, I do have those photos thank you! I can't understand with all those Public Trees why not one of them seems to have his emigration! Oh well! Flesh on bones and all that for me!
I have a fantasy though, that William's mothers name Elizabeth McGaw has been a mistranscription, it should have been McCaw - and then that it would put me firmly into the Richie Camp! I believe that his McCaws have connections going back to Ayrshire! 😉
Yesterday I ordered William's death printout! So should at last get a better idea when he came here.
However I now have the time frame narrowed down (a little) 1861 still in Barr, Scotland - when I pick him up on an Electoral roll in 1875 in Mount Ida Otago, so at least I know came here in that time frame.
Anyway, thanks heaps for your input. Much appreciated!
Jeanne 😄
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;D. Not my William, but I thought this may be of interest to someone looking for this man, Miller ANDERSON. Found it on Papers Past just now, an electronic text!
From Otago Times 31/3/1898
ANDERSON, Millar, born Stewarton, Ayr 1525. Arrived by Southern Cross February 22nd, 1857; has been in business many years as a baker in High Street, Dunedin.
The poor man, what a journey that must have been very tough on him, 332 years, and then went on to build his business in Dunedin for many years? I know that some Scots are renowned for strength and longevity, but this one really takes the biscuit!!
I was going to post this to "On the Lighter Side" board, 😃 but thought if someone is genuinely researching this poor tired out old man, they must have had a much harder time than I and (my Rootchat helpers of course) in finding my William! And they would probably appreciate the story!!
And re William, I sent an email yesterday to the North Otago Museum, so crossing my fingers on that one too, and watching the email for his death printout record).
Jeanne - still laughing! ;D
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I've just found a Probate and administration letters for him on Archway. I have no idea how to go about getting that! Can someone advise me please?
Thanks
Jeanne 😃
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I've just found a Probate and administration letters for him on Archway. I have no idea how to go about getting that! Can someone advise me please?
Can you give us a link please.........................or tell us what/who Archway is & where ???
Sorry, never heard of them :-\
Annie
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Archway is the online access to Archives NZ
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/CallItemAdvancedSearch.do
Here is William's file
DAAC 9075 D239/439 11523 MCAUGHTRIE William - Kurow - Retired Farmer 1929 Dun
http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=22070495
Anyone can order this record. It must be viewed at the following office
Archives New Zealand, Dunedin Regional Office
556 George Street
Dunedin 9016
You will either need to go there yourself or start a new thread requesting someone in Dunedin do it for you,we don't have a Rootschatter on Dunedin so you may have to wait for someone to visit
Cheers Janette
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Thanks Janette and Annette. I have a relative in Nightcaps, but that's probably too far for him to drive. He may well know someone in Dunedin, so I'll give him a try! And I'll start a new post on the Board.
Ta
Jeanne 😃
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Who was Williams father please as it is likely he would be down as a contact as well as last known address when he travelled ???
Annie
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Williams father was Thomas McAughtrie, his mother Elizabeth McGaw
Thomas's last known residence in Scotland was 1861 in Barr, Water of Gregg, at Changue Farm aged 14 Agricultural Labourer!
First appearance I have of him is in NZ 1875 in Mount Ida, Otago.
Thanks
Jeanne 😃
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Thomas's last known residence in Scotland was 1861 in Barr, Water of Gregg, at Changue Farm aged 14 Agricultural Labourer!
Just wondering what's going (was there more than 1 page) on 1861 as the page I saw read as follows:
William McAughtrie
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relationship: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Barr, Ayrshire
Registration Number: 580
Registration district: Barr
Civil Parish: Barr
County: Ayrshire
Address: Water Of Gregg Chanque
Occupation: Agricultural Labourer
ED:1
Household schedule number:113
LINE: 23
Roll: CSSCT1861_83
Household Members:
Name Age
Janet Boyle 67
Alexander Laing 24
William McAughtrie 14
So I was wondering how you know this is the correct William ???
Annie
Added. If you don't have his marriage or death cert. how do you know who his parents are ???
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It's in the family document that I have Annie. He was boarding and working at the Changue Farm of a family friend.
Thanks
Jeanne 😃
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In post 27,"Thomas's last known residence in Scotland was 1861" should read William!
Sorry. But the good news is I have just received his death printout!
WILLIAM ARRIVED IN NEW ZEALAND IN 1866 - of course that's always assuming the person who gave the info knew that! :D His father isn't named either, just a hyphen mark, Mother's there OK, and wife etc. and other details there though! I guess a lot hangs on the knowledge of the notifier!
My father gave the death details for his mother when she died. He named her first husband as John Welsh. But his name was Samuel Welsh!! But with her name being Jane Dreghorn Douglas, it was actually a breeze to find her marriage to Samuel on SP and also the subsequent 3 births of my Dad's stepsisters.
Anyway, it's knocked five years off, so that's great! Gradually shaving it down.
Thank you all so much!
Jeanne ;D
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Just begin a new thread including only the appropriate/relevant info. with as much detail as posiible if it's for info. after he arrived in NZ ???
Annie
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I think it is easier to just keep this thread going rather than start a new one,you could put all the relevant info in the next post stating what you have and what you are still trying to find out.
Cheers Janette
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OK this is where I'm at to date!
WILLIAM McAUGHTRIE
Confirmed: Birth: Barr, Ayrshire 22nd May, 1847 Parents William McA and Elizabeth McGaw
Confirmed: Last place of Residence in Scotland- aged 14 Changue Farm, Barr 1861Census
Confirmed: First known place of Residence in NZ, Mount Ida,Otago Aged 28,1873 Elect.Roll
Years in NZ - 63, from Death Printout - and of course dependent on the informant's knowledge,that
would make arrival year 1866 (plus or minus 1 year)
Pretty sure these dates and ages blend in together, but I am not known for my thinking skills in maths! So after a lot of agony, I finally thought of adding those ages to his birth year, I think its OK now, but I happily stand to be corrected!
The important part for me is that I still need help to find that elusive Passenger List to confirm his arrival date in NZ. But if I don't find that, I'll go with the c1866 in the meantime - the death info has at least narrowed the time frame, if the 63 years in NZ is indeed correct.Thanks for your help, yet again!
Much appreciated
Jeanne :)
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This has him in Mt Ida in early 1873
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=MIC18730404.2.24.2&srpos=1&e=-------100--1-byDA---0AUGHTRIE--
Cheers Janette
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Wheeeee ! 👍 you're good Janette, I missed that one! Well, that's shaved another 2 years off - well done you!
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Thanks
Jeanne
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Another year shaved off tonight! Had an email from a kind woman from NZSG IN Oamaru!
"I have him back to 1872 at Mt Ida where he was witness to a sudden death. Mt Ida Chronicle 06 Dec 1872 p6."
She also said Gold Rush years passenger lists are very scarce!
"If William came out during the gold rush period in the 1860s, it is unlikely we will find a passenger list. So many people came into Otago and the lists are not very numerous for that period."
So I may well have reached that proverbial brick wall! Still I'm well pleased with all the info I have
got! Initially from the family document, and then my own research in Scotland and NZ - AND with all the help I've had from you, the contributors on this board! So, I think I'll just plod on with writing his story, - after all I still have a pretty tight time frame for his arrival. And it'll be a pretty easy detail to insert later if anything else ever does come up!
I'll think it all through again over the next day or so, and if I have nothing else to throw at you, (except flowers) I'll mark it complete and get it moved!
Thanks again and again
Jeanne 🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺🌺
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OK I've decided to put William to bed, going to get the green tick! After all the most I will gain is a date and the name of a ship, and probably unlikely to find anything else anyway. And with the scarcity of shipping records into Otago at the time, I'm probably flogging the proverbial dead horse anyway.
Undoubtedly, I'll check him out again from time to time, in case more records are released. Maybe NEW UK departures. Have a pretty good time frame now, and decided it's time time to annoy you with someone else! :o
Only kidding, all the rest of my family lines didn't come till the 1920's anyway! So thank again you have all been stars! And here are your flowers
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Hi jaybelnz,
I have amazingly come across this thread! I am living in Kurow on Bellamore Station where William McAughtrie was the first landowner!! I have been researching the farm history and am fascinated by it all and especially William. I am trying to find as much information about him as possible and hoping to get a photograph? Do you have one?
I have been in touch with the early settlers museum but there is no record of his arrival but they did say to come in and check some other records so I will let you know, also the land archives too which his name is on a few documents so I'm looking forward to reading about them.
Bellamore Station was apart of a much larger station and I was originally trying to find out where the name came from. William named it, there's another Bellamore farm in Scotland not far from where he was born and it doesnt look too unalike the landscape here which is fascinating. I was in touch with a community person in Barr, he said his parents and sisters are buried in the cemetry there but didn't have any other information. We have a family wedding in Edinburgh this August so I was hoping to visit the other Bellamore farm, would be so interesting to see.
I visited his grave in Kurow and too saw one of his daughters names was Bella which probably had a link too.Theres a lady here in Kurow who has the photo of Williams wife Kathryn and her sons so she is next on my list to visit and to see if she has any information.
Thanks for your time,
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Wow! This is great to wake up to!! William McAughtrie was my 4th great Uncle. I have a lot of info about him and his family that I am more than happy to share with you - some of which isn't in these posts.
If you post 2 more messages on here, just a smiley face or a couple of words, that will activate your ability to send me a private message with your contact info. Then I will be able to message you some details, my email address, and phone number, as we're not permitted to put our personal info on these threads. Look forward to hearing from you!
Jeanne 👍🌺
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That is great jaybelnz I was so excited to read through all on this forum, so neat to hear. We have similar findings on 'paperspastpost' etc but I would love to know a wee bit more about him...
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I'm hoping too that the lady I meet in Kurow has some information, its so exciting and slightly addictive!!
I tried to get in touch with the McAughtries down in Omarama but will hopefully bump into them one day!
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That is great jaybelnz I was so excited to read through all on this forum, so neat to hear. We have similar findings on 'paperspastpost' etc but I would love to know a wee bit more about him...
Wow! This is great to wake up to!! William McAughtrie was my 4th great Uncle. I have a lot of info about him and his family that I am more than happy to share with you - some of which isn't in these posts.
If you post 2 more messages on here, just a smiley face or a couple of words, that will activate your ability to send me a private message with your contact info. Then I will be able to message you some details, my email address, and phone number, as we're not permitted to put our personal info on these threads. Look forward to hearing from you!
Jeanne 👍🌺
Oops - sorry - my bad, wrong 4 - William was not my 4th great Uncle, I've just checked my tree and according to the relationship calculation - he was apparently my 1st cousin 4 times removed!
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Hi, my husband & I have recently bought Bellamore Farm in Pinwherry, South Ayrshire. I've just started to look and see what information I can find about its history and this post came up. If you've come across anything about Bellamore in your research into William McAughtrie I'd be really interested. There has been a house at Bellamore for hundreds of years, the earliest we have found so far is in the Bleau Atlas of 1654 (as Ballmoir). The current house was built 1872 but we don't know much about what was there before except it was a traditional U shaped steading.
Kate