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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hertfordshire => Topic started by: jjq on Sunday 08 March 15 20:56 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I have 2 addresses in Bushey, that I am trying to pinpoint more thoroughly. I know where School Lane is, but the houses I am trying to identify are:
6 Salem Cottages (1918 - 1925)
68 Russell Place (1911 census)
I expect that the names have changed over the years, but it would be good to identify them.
Many thanks in advance
jjq
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Hi
Salem Cottages = Clay Hill
Amended = (Sparrows Herne now?)
http://www.busheymuseum.org/
Are a very good local resource.
Why not ask them?
Ray
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Hi
Thank you for that. Will contact them.
Regards
jjq
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hi,
What are the names of the people that lived at these addresses. My relatives also lived in School lane, so they probably knew one another. I have been involved in researching the men on the war memorial and there are bibliographies for them, so if you are looking for a particular soldier you can go to our web site. busheyduringthegreatwar.org and contact Dianne who will be able to provide a copy. Some of the houses in School Lane have disappeared, my relatives is one of them.
Look forward to hearing from you, if you are new to this forum, welcome. You will find a lot of helpful people out there who come up with lots of help.
Regards,
Jackie.
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hi its me again,
I have just noticed that you have the surname Quarry amongst your ancestors. Did any of them by any chance ever lived in Aldenham. The reason being there is a grave for Pythagorous Quarry in the Church yard. I also have a copy of the parish registers from 1560 to 1900, so I can check out any other Quarry`s if you need me too.
Regards,
Jackie.
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Hi Jackie,
Not new to the forum, but have had family history of the back burner for a couple of years!!(As one does!)
The two addresses above relate to a Herbert Henry Stone (1885 - ?), although his mother also died at that address about 1928?
The second address was also a family home - James and Ann Stone, Herbert was also living with the time.
Half my Bushey relations lived in Merry Hill Lane!
I did have other relatives living in School Lane in the 1920's - 1950s? My great aunt - Edith Jemima Wells (Nee WELLS) - she married her first cousin - an occurance which has happened several time in that line of the family, which accounts for a complicated family tree!.
I had looked at the website before, but not able to see any relations there.
My interest in my family tree was re-sparked by checking some old notes I had made, about Herbert and his World One One war service (apparently he was awarded the Military Cross.) Also Edith's husband - Robert James WELLS - is said to have been awarded the Military Medal.
Any help is appreciated.
jjq
P.S. your other post just came through. My Quarrys are from Aldenham (and Elstree) 1750s - 1870s. Most of my research on that line was from certificates - in the pre-internet days - so some may have got missed.I had been told that Pythagoras has some kind of "memorial" at the church , but no image. Anything you may come across would be great. He lived at the Brewers Almshouses.
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hi again,
I lived in Aldenham for 23 years and regularly walked through the grave yard, Pythagorous Quarry and another grave for Henry Humble were my favourite two graves. What a name too have. Here are some information that I have found in the parish registers etc.
December 22nd 1802. Pythagoras Quarry bach and Sarah Green spin both of this parish. Banns. witnesses. William Huff and James Nicholls.
1786 Nov 26. Dec 3. 10. William Quarry bach of this parish and Punthany Chappin spinster of Idlestrey.(wonder if this is Elstree). These are the banns but there is no record of a marriage.
1788. Jan 10. Ann wife of Harry Quarry. (death).
1768. Nov 28. Henry Quarry bach and Anne King spin, both of this parish. Banns. wits. John Kemp and Isa Nicholls.
1794. April 29th. Harry Quarry. Labourer.(death).
1797. Sept 20. James son of Harry Quarry.(death)
First name(s)
Pathogarus
Last name
Quarry
Relationship
Head
Marital status
Widower
Gender
Male
Age
73
Birth year
1778
Occupation
To Almsman Formerly Ag Lab
Birth place
England
Birth town
Aldenham
Birth town as transcribed
Aldenham
Birth county
Hertfordshire
Birth county as transcribed
Hertfordshire
Street
Boydins Hill
Town
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Parish
Aldenham
First name(s)
Pythagoras
Last name
Quarry
Gender
Male
Birth year
-
Birth place
-
Baptism year
1777
Baptism date
06 Jan 1777
Residence
Elstree, Hertford, England
Place
Elstree
County
Hertfordshire
Country
England
Father's first name(s)
Henry
Father's last name
Quarry
Mother's first name(s)
Ann
Mother's last name
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Print transcription . Attach to tree
First name(s)
PYTHAGORAS
Last name
QUARRY
Banns year
1803
Banns day
4
Banns month
Dec
Place
Aldenham
Marriage year
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Groom's first name(s)
Pythagoras
Groom's last name
Quarry
Groom's residence
Aldenham
Bride's first name(s)
Sarah
Bride's last name
Green
Bride's residence
Aldenham
County
Hertfordshire
name(s)
Pythagoras
Last name
Quarry
Gender
Unknown
Marital status
-
Occupation
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Event year
1856
Birth year
1778
Age at death
78y
Death place
Brewers Alms Houses
Burial year
1856
Burial date
30 Mar 1856
Burial place
Aldenham, Hertford, England
Place
Aldenham
I hope this will help you.
Regards,
Jackie.
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Hi
Thanks for your message . I have some of these entries, a couple are new to me. So will have to check the files tomorrow. I have always wondered at his parents naming him Pythagoras. There is only one other Pythagoras Quarry - and that is his grandson, who worked a bank clerk in London. This P Q had two daughters who went ion to sing with the touring companies of D'Oyly Carte (Gilbert and Sullivan operas).
All my Quarry line has died out.
But the Wells and Stones were quite prolific.........
Thanks so much.
Regards
jjq
PS William and Purthany ended up marrying in Elstree.
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Hi
Taking a closer look at James, Sarah and Herbert's details in the last census . . . . .
. . . . . the address on the second page does not (quite) match the address on the first page.
The words "Russell Place" are missing from the 1st page ("cover").
That would leave ME to believe that Russell Place is the name of a (row of ?) houses, not a road.
Therefore 68 School Lane . . . . .
. . . . . has a plaque above the door with "Russell Place" on it. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Take a look for yourself.
Also take a look at who is living #70.
Ray
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Hi,
Am away from my computer at present, but will check this out when I get home. Thanks for that.
It is times like this that I wish I still lived down south. Am planning a weekend away there later in the year, so hope to follow up family links, if I have time.
Thanks again
jjq
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Hi
The Gazette.co.uk has a reference to
Edith Moses/Moser, a designer, living at 7 Salem Cottages, Clay Hill, Bushey.
Ray
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Hi Ray
Have just had a look at google map at 68 School Lane. Thanks so much for clearing that up. There seem to be " plaques" on some of the other houses too.
No: 70..... Herberts half brother. His father had previously been married to Annie (nee SMITH) and had at least 8 children.
Will revise search on Salem Cottages
Thanks again.
jjq
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Hi
Crook(ed) Log was towards the bottom of the hill, nearing Bushey Arches.
I seem to remember (or should that be " I have appeared to have forgotten" ;D )
Salem being mentioned in an article with Crook Log.
Bushey Museum, Herts-Geneology, etc., etc..
Ray
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Thanks Ray.
I will be following up all suggestions. Will report back in due course!
Thanks to all.
Regards
jjq
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Hi to all those who have helped with this.
Salem Cottages have now been identified. I contacted the Local Resources centre at Bushey Museum and received the following reply;-
"They were on Sparrows Herne rather than Clay Hill – on the south side, about halfway between the war memorial on the corner of School Lane and the old police station. There were eight cottages, presumably a terrace, and like the Black Cottages the other side of the police station, I would imagine they were pretty basic. They were demolished in about 1960 and replaced by a modern block of flats. "
Have checked Google maps and pinpointed the place.
Both mysteries solved. Now - time to move onto the next item on the genealogy "to do" list.
Thanks again
jjq
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I have only just registered with the site and I am trying to trace my Grandfather. He was Herbert Henry Stone lived in Bushey ! He married Daisy Amelia Dobson. They had 5 children and youngest is my mother, she will be 90 this year. I do not know much about him , other than he was in the army, so it was interesting to read your information. He died in Watford hospital 1963. What where his parents names ? Did he have siblings ? I believe the name Wells was somewhere in his family tree. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
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Hi,
I don't suppose that you have any certificates of his?
Marriage? Birth?? Death???
Just asking, to save time etc... ( I realise that you say "don't know much" )
How old was he when he died? Where? I cannot match 1963.
There is a potential birth 1883/Northampton (making him 10yrs older than Daisy? )
Ray
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Hi Thanks for the post - I have quite a bit of information on Herbert Henry Stone, the Wells and Stone connection. Also a photograph which was sent to me by a Dobson relation/link to the family. Will send by private message. It is a complicated family tree with various intermarriages.
I have been tracing my family tree -on and off - for the last 30 years, but am only just getting back to doing more research.
Regards
jjq
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Hi
Unable to send message as it says your inbox is full -
Hi
Hope this message gets through OK. And hope this information helps, I don't know how much infiormation you already have, so apologies if I am duplicating anything you already know!!
Herbert Henry STONE was the son of James STONE and Sarah WELLS. Born 1884 at Merry Hill Lane, Bushey, Herts (Appears to have been registered as Albert Henry STONE)
Baptised at St James Bushey, 12 September 1886?
James STONE and Sarah married 2 March 1884 at St James, Bushey. James was a widower, previously married to Annie Smith (26 Aug 1849 St James Bushey - they had 10 children, Ann died 1881) . Sarah had previously had 5 illegitimate children, one of who was my great grandfather - Robert James WELLS. James & Sarah had 3 sons, as far as I can research so far.
Herbert was at........
1891 census - at London Road Bushey
1901 census - School Lane. Bushey
1911 census - 68 Russell Place, School Lane, Bushey - employed on the greens of Sandy Lodge Golf Club.
Somewhere on my computer, I have details of his military history including his award of the Military medal, and a photo, but will need to delve into the files, as I have not touched them for a while.
Also. Daisy Dobson was a cousin of his - via Sarah Wells. .
If you can send a private message with your email, I will forward various papers to you.
jjq
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ALBERT HENRY STONE ( mmn WELLS )
GRO Reference: 1884 D Quarter WATFORD 3a 530
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Hi
Employed by Watford DC.
"1939" has various hand-written extras
James' wife Sarah gave birth to Annie ( recorded with them in 1881C )
Annie WELLS ( mmn HOW ) 1883 QMarHEMEL HEMPSTEAD 3A 563
Ray
I won't post again until someone asks for more help.
( No, I haven't got the hump ;D the subject seems to be well covered )
May have more recent knowledge of living WELLS . . . . .
R
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This was my Grandad, he died in Watford 1962/3 . He was married to Daisy Amelia Dobson and they had 5 children, my mother is the youngest.
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Thanks very much for all the information, it makes us second cousins I think !
I look forward to hearing from you soon
Lynda
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Death 1964 QDec Watford 4b 307 Albert H Stone ( 80y )
Ray
( ps I'm not a member of the family )
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Thanks Lindylou
I will be in touch. by email, with the information I have about H H Stone. Yes, there is that connection, and would be pleased to share the information with you. Will be emailing in a couple of days, when I can sort the details out.
Jan
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I believe that Freda Joyce Stone was married to John William Dobson ,
Was he her cousin ? Who were his parents ?
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Hello , I am new here.
I came across this wonderful forum after receiving a copy of my biological father’s birth certificate.
His name was Thomas Morris born 30th April 1941 at 6 Salem cottages Clay Hill , Bushey.
His parents were Robert John Morris and Florence Morris Formerly Wells.
He was a Iron Moulder and she was a unpaid domestic.
I have noticed threw out this post the mention of surnames Morris and Wells living in said row of houses.
So i was wondering if you could let me know of any information that will help me with my search and family history.
Thanks in advance
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Hi
Without checking, no link to my WELLS as the only Florence in my tree died in infancy 1903. My Wells were living at 6 Salem Cottages up till at 1925 least - and on 1939 Register they were at 70 School Lane, Bushey. Can check tomorrow in case I've missed anything.
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Ok thank you.
Maybe the name Sophia or Sophie Wells as she was also known to be called that too.
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Just going back threw all the post somethings seem familiar in ways.
Let me explain best I can.
I have made contact with a first cousin threw DNA who’s grandparents were. Robert John Morris and Sophia (Sophie) Wells, they were believed to also have been first cousins ( which you mentioned happened several times in the family line) so I know what you mean about it becomes confusing.
You also mention military medals, This cousin I have made contact with has mentioned she believes someone in the family was awarded one, I will need to go threw my notes and see what she mentioned about it again.
I remember she said about the Wells/ Morris family running a theatre or something in Birmingham way , I see you mentioned about opera.
I am also going to check the names
Robert James wells as I am sure I have seen that name before.
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HI
I will check for the names you mentioned - though Wells was quite a common surname in the Bushey area! No connections with Birmingham theatres as far as I am aware. Will get back to you - probably via private message on here.
Regards
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Yea no problem, Thank you.
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Topic now completed. thanks