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My ancestor James Stanaway lived in Geelong from at least 1856 to 1858. He married Ellen Prescott of Lancashire and had at least one daughter, Ellen Elizabeth (born in 1857, died 1858). According to his marriage certificate he lived on C* and Yarra St. in Geelong. I am wondering if there are any resources to help me find out what he was doing there. I assume that he followed the gold rush as he originally moved from Cornwall to Wisconsin and ended up in El Dorado, California in 1850. I know that he came back to the US with Ellen because he is back in the US census in 1860. Thanks for any information or resources that you can recommend.
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Certainly plenty of work for a mason in the 1850's in Geelong, with many prominent buildings erected:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geelong.
Cannot find any James Stanaway on Trove in this time period:
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper
On a quick look, sorry if I have missed something!
Cannot find him arriving in Australia, only leaving in 1858, but mentions Ellen Elizabeth Stanaway born 1857, who died at six months in Victoria in 1858.
And yet...
Victoria outward passenger lists 1852-1915 Transcription
First name(s)
Children With
Last name
Stanaway
Age
Child
Birth year
1858
Departure year
1858
Departure month
Mar
Destination
San Francisco, United States
Ship name
Lucy L Hale
Ship's master
Lull William
State
Victoria
Record set
Victoria outward passenger lists 1852-1915
Category
Travel & migration
Subcategory
Passenger lists
Collections from
Australasia
I guess it is a relatively short time period.This is the Geelong Family History Group: http://home.vicnet.net.au/~gfamhist/
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James and Ellen obviously had another child as indicated by the entry on the Outward Passenger Index at Public Record Office of Victoria
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f01/
They may not have stayed in Geelong as the death registration of the child born in 1857 at Geelong, shows BORN Geelong not died at Geelong.
Cando
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I checked the 1860 census [Diamond Springs, El Dorado, California Roll M653_58 Page 785 Image 167] and J STANAWAY b. England 45 years, mason, at Diamond Springs, Eldorado, California with a wife E, b. England 29 years however in the same household there are other STANAWAY's - male born England 20 years, farmer, and several children born Wisconsin.
Perhaps I have the wrong family. Was James married previously?
Mmm James STANAWAY born England, miner, living at El Dorado on the 1850 US Census is 42 years of age. ::)
And age on marriage registration in 1855 is 41.
And according to his obituary, in 1904, was born England 1803.
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=17999572&ref=acom
Ellen died 1891
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=17999588&ref=acom
Cando
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According to his marriage certificate he lived on C* and Yarra St. in Geelong.
He lived in C**l*n Lane, which was off Yarra Street. Yarra Street and Myers Street intersect. There are a couple of lanes that still exist off Yarra Street but no C**l*n Lane.
Unless James did something newsworthy which was reported in the newspapers of the day, I doubt you will find anything about his life in Geelong.
Cando
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As Cando has already said there is no C*** Lane off Yarra St in Geelong now. If you look on Googlemap you can see that there are only modern buildings on the north end of Yarra St, towards the beach area, so I suspect the C*** lane has been built over. Judith
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James was married previously and on the 1850 US Census his wife Jane and children are in Wisconsin. I wonder if he had one of the children with him in Geelong.
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
STANAWAY James Batchelor Of this Parish
BROWN Jane Spinster Of this Parish
16 Oct 1834
Parish Or Reg District Probus
1841 Census HO107/148/5/8/33/13
Living at Probus, Cornwall
STANAWAY James 30 Mason Born county
STANAWAY Janes 30 Born county
STANAWAY Ellen 5 Born county
STANAWAY Samuel 1 Born county
and a few doors away
STANAWAY James 60 Mason Born county
STANAWAY Ellen 50 Born county
STANAWAY Caroline 18 Dressmaker Born county
STANAWAY Mary 15 Born county
STANAWAY Hannah 10 Born county
GILES Elizabeth 60 Seamstress Born county [Is this Ellen/Eleanor's sister?]
Marriage in the Parish of Probus
STANAWAY James
GILES Elenor
10 Jan 1805
This looks like James baptism in the Parish of Probus so born 1806. Eleanor aka Ellen.
http://www.cornwall-opc-database.org/search-database/
STANAWAY James
27 Dec 1807
Sex - son
Father James
Mother Eleanor
Notes age 14 weeks; mother formerly TEALS - could this be GILES? James' obituary refers to him as James G STANAWAY.
James and family emigrated to Canada prior to living in Wisconsin.
1850 US Census
Living at Shullsburg, Lafayette, Wisconsin
STANAWAY Jane 41 years Born England
STANAWAY Ellen A 14 years Born England
STANAWAY Samuel 10 years Born England
STANAWAY James 6 years Born Canada West
STANAWAY Alice 5 years Born Canada West
STANAWAY George W 3 years Born Wisconsin
STANAWAY Henrietta 9 months Born Wisconsin
You possibly have all this but I was curious after finding James' obituary.
Names of James parents on this thread
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=715629.0
Cando
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Hi Cando and Judb,
Thanks so much for this information! The passenger list is a great find. Yes, you have the family correct. They immigrated to Canada, then Wisconsin and finally to California. James was married before so it is an interesting idea that he may have taken one of the children from his first marriage to Australia. I do know that Ellen and James had a child named Emily who may have been born in Australia (c1857) but it is also possible that she was born in California. Cando you found information on James that took me a long time to piece together :) I will check out some of the links that you both sent as well. Thanks for giving my research on the family an extra push!! This is so helpful!
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When I look at the Public Record office I under the heading children it says 005. Would you think that mean 5 children came with him?
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I don't think it means that as says CHILD born 1858:
Victoria outward passenger lists 1852-1915 Transcription
First name(s)
Children With
Last name
Stanaway
Age
Child
Birth year
1858
Departure year
1858
Departure month
Mar
Destination
San Francisco, United States
Ship name
Lucy L Hale
Ship's master
Lull William
State
Victoria
Record set
Victoria outward passenger lists 1852-1915
Category
Travel & migration
Subcategory
Passenger lists
Collections from
Australasia
Passenger list transcription from genealogical site FIND MY PAST.
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Hi Cando and Judb,
Thanks so much for this information! The passenger list is a great find. Yes, you have the family correct. They immigrated to Canada, then Wisconsin and finally to California. James was married before so it is an interesting idea that he may have taken one of the children from his first marriage to Australia. I do know that Ellen and James had a child named Emily who may have been born in Australia (c1857) but it is also possible that she was born in California. Cando you found information on James that took me a long time to piece together :) I will check out some of the links that you both sent as well. Thanks for giving my research on the family an extra push!! This is so helpful!
Re the Emily that died. In the birth/death index, as previously mentioned, just gives the state of Victoria rather than the district the event occurs in:
Name:
Ellen Elizabeth Stanaway
Father's name:
James Stanaway
Mother's name:
Ellen Prescott
Birth Place:
Victoria, Victoria
Registration Year:
1857
Registration Place:
Victoria
Registration Number:
10962
Name:
Ellen Elizabeth Stanaway
Birth Year:
abt 1857
Age:
6 Months
Death Place:
Victoria
Father's name:
James
Mother's name:
Ellen Prescott
Registration Year:
1858
Registration Place:
Victoria
Registration Number:
1157
I suppose another child could have been born in Victoria shortly before their departure for the United States and is not therefore registered?
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Or maybe I am wrong? What do other's think. I do not know what 005 means either?
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Thanks Nova67 on both comments. It might be worth it for me to purchase the death certificate so that I can at least place the family. I think you are also right that another child could have been born just before and not registered. Thanks again for the help!
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I think you are probably right, because your transcription is much more specific. If there were 5 children listed I would think there would be four more entries with blank first names. He did have at least that many surviving children with his first wife but with his siblings still in the US he could have just as easily left them with his sisters in California. It is interesting that he left for at least a few years because he became a US citizen in 1852.
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One child on the manifest and the online subscription only websites have transcribed the information from the Public Records Office of Victoria. I think it's best to only use the PROV indexes and they are free to access.
Transcribed from my resource - not an online website :-X
Birth
STANAWAY Ellen Elizabeth
Father James Mother Ellen PRESCOTT
At Geelong 1857 Reg#10962
The Deaths index in this era only show the place of birth not the place of death. Civil Registration commenced in Jul 1853 in the Colony of Victoria. The certificate would have her place of death and place of burial although a couple of my deceased ancestors did not have their place of burial noted for deaths in Aug 1853 and Dec 1858.
Death
STANAWAY Ellen Elizabeth
Father James Mother Ellen PRESCOTT
1858 6 months Born Geelong Reg#1157
Geelong Cemetery records date back to 1839 and nothing on their database for Ellen therefore I think she died elsewhere in Victoria and if so would indicate that James did not spend all his time in Victoria in Geelong.
Cando
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Thanks for the tip on death certificates! It is interesting that they didn't list where they died. It looks like I could see the original passenger list on microfiche at the PRO which is nice. I had a look to see if they have a pay service but couldn't see anything. Do you know if they have that service?
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Never mind! I think I see where I can order a scan. Thanks anyway!
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Thanks for the tip on death certificates! It is interesting that they didn't list where they died.
I didn't write that....I wrote
The Deaths index in this era only show the place of birth not the place of death. Civil Registration commenced in Jul 1853 in the Colony of Victoria. The certificate would have her place of death and place of burial although a couple of my deceased ancestors did not have their place of burial noted for deaths in Aug 1853 and Dec 1858.
There are only three registrations for the name STANAWAY in Victoria to 1888 and they are James and Ellen's marriage and birth and death of Ellen Elizabeth.
James STANAWAY a defendant in £10 Cause lists 1855 Melbourne
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4811341
It is possible that James arrived in Victoria on a cargo ship from California. It wasn't until 1852 that Unassisted Immigrants were required to be recorded. I can't remember all the legislative details.
May I gently remind you we are required to transcribe all information from other websites. It isn't the information that is copyrighted it is the format/presentation. I link the page with the information as well as transcribing.
Cando
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Thanks for the reminder. I will check out the other leads. I also get the difference now between the index and the actual certificates. Thanks again.
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Found a birth announcement "On the 6th inst., Mrs. James Stanway, Sturt-street, Adelaide, of a daughter. 7 SEP 1857 in the South Australian Register. If this is them they sure got around but might explain why the death isn't in Geelong.
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It doesnt look like them.
The Mrs James Stanway in SA is a Mary Grace (Stephens), the daughter Annie born 6 Sep 1857 (ADE 11/124).
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That couple, (Mr & Mrs James STANWAY) were in South Australia for many years, with babies born throughout the 1860s and into the 1870s ....
Mary Grace STANWAY died in 1875.
The baby born in 1857 sadly succumbed the same year. :( :'(
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
Cheers, JM
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Thanks Spike and majam. It looks like my James Stanaway was only in Victoria and left from there in 1858. I have emailed the PRV to see if there is any significance in 005 under the field for a child's name. I will let you know when they respond in case anyone else has the same question. Thanks again.
http://prov.vic.gov.au/search_results?searchid=42&format=freetext&FamilyName=Stanaway&GivenName=&Ship=&Destination=&Month=0&Monthto=0&Year=0&Yearto=0&SearchSortField1=&SearchRecords=25&x=0&y=0