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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Ross Howat on Thursday 26 March 15 00:33 GMT (UK)
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Can anyone direct me to information about his parents, and a death date and place, please? Not to be confused with a prominent contemporary identity, the Inglewood Mayor, of the same period, whom I have proven is not my subject. Spouses name was Jane Sherry, (var. Jean Cherry, Jeannie Sheriff), unknown where and when married. Children married Australia into family surnames; Berry, Jackson, Garland, Dwyer and Green.
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I wonder if you could list the names of his children, in chronological order .... perhaps there is a naming pattern?
Do you have any birth certs for those children, if so, what info about Martin eg when and where married, and where born?
PS, WELCOME to RootsChat :) :)
Cheers, JM
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There's a birth for a son, Martin with parents as Martin WARD and Jane (SHERRY), Eaglehawk, Victoria, registered in 1865. #17528.
Vic BDMs are full of family history info.
Cheers, JM
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Thank You JM.
Yes, I have that child's birth.
The only verified detail I have on him is from his wife's death entry # 1935 of 1900, and from one of the children's birth entry; Jane Elizabeth 1855 #524.
Jane's death entry states they were married in Williamstown, Victoria in 1854, but I can find no such marriage.
Jane Elizabeth's 1855 birth entry states Martin and Jane were married in Adelaide in 1854. Once again I can find no such marriage.
The children I have found so far are as follows:
Jane Elizabeth Ward Birth 12 MAR 1855 in Melbourne, Victoria Death 1868 in Victoria
Mary Ann Ward Birth 1856 in Castlemaine, Victoria
John Thomas Ward Birth 1859 in Peg Leg Gully, Bendigo, Victoria Death 1878 in Victoria
Jane Ward Birth 1864 in Sandhurst, (Bendigo) Victoria, Australia Death 8 APR 1931 in Redfern, New South Wales
Martin Ward Birth 1865 in Eaglehawk, Bendigo, Victoria Death 1866 in Victoria
Charlotte Lear Ward Birth 1866 in Sandhurst, Victoria Death 1935 in Oakleigh, Melbourne, Victoria Catherine Ward Birth 1869 Death 3 Jan 1894 in Melbourne, Victoria
Ellen Rose Ward Birth 1869 in Melbourne, Victoria Death 1885 in Collingwood, Victoria
Edward Ward Birth 1871 in Melbourne, Victoria Death 1877 in Victoria
Samuel Richard Ward Birth 1875 in Melbourne, Victoria Death 1875 in Victoria
and
Lucinda Ward Birth 23 JUN 1879 in Napoleon St, Collingwood, Victoria Death 1966 in Burwood, Victoria.
There could also be another Elizabeth, vitals unknown.
Tks.
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Thank You JM.
Yes, I have that child's birth.
The only verified detail I have on him is from his wife's death entry # 1935 of 1900, and from one of the children's birth entry; Jane Elizabeth 1855 #524.
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Martin Ward Birth 1865 in Eaglehawk, Bendigo, Victoria Death 1866 in Victoria ......
Who was the informant on that 1865 birth registration? If it's Martin, then he would be providing info about himself, (when and where married, age at marriage, his then current occupation, his place of birth, the names/ ages of the older siblings for this child etc) If he gets the children's names, ages correct, then likely he has also provided reliable info about his own origins.... :)
Cheers, JM
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Thank you JM. Yes, I can see what you're driving at. I don't have the details of the Entries I have cited, as I was given partial information second-hand from generous family members further down the Tree related by marriage to the Wards.
I guess I'm just going to have to bite the bullet and spend some money on Vic BDMs in order to get a definitive lead. Like most people, I was only hoping someone had already successfully researched my subject and could share:)
I have quite a few of these pesky gold Diggers in my Tree, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they died unrecorded down some collapsed mine shaft somewhere, unknown to all. They were wild times.
ross.
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I chose that child because I am speculating that Martin registered that birth of his son Martin. But Martin could well have been the informant on any of the others too. It is just that if you want to get the most out of the pennies spent on certs, then with Vic BDMs you will get details about the parents as well as the older siblings on the younger ones births certs :)
Best though that you consider waiting for some of the other regular RChatters to come along. I am NSW centric, and there are quite a few who are very good at Vic searchings.
Cheers, JM
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Who was the informant on Jane's 1900 death, and was Jane noted as a widow?
Do you have marriage certs for any of the children? Can you limit the years for Martin's death using the status of their father and mother being shown on the mcs as:
deceased or dec or †
Cheers, JM
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I think you're right - some certificates are needed, but first......... please could you transcribe all of the information from Jane Elizabeth's birth certificate, and from Jane's death certificate as there may be clues there to work from.
Judith
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Thank you Judith. Here is all the detail I have from those two Entries. This was given to me second-hand; I do not have pdf copies or Extracts myself.
Jane (Berry nee WARD) died 8 April 1931 (NSW death cert. #5295) which shows father Martin Ward, labourer and mother Jennie Sherry. Also states she was born Bendigo Victoria.
1855 Vic. Birth Cert No. 524 reveals Jane Elizabeth born 12 March 1855 at 147 Spring St, Melb. Father: Martin Ward, Shoemaker, 21 years, Birthplace London England. Mother: Jane Ward formerly Sherry, 22 years, Birthplace Ireland. Married: 1854 Adelaide. The informant was "Mr Ward, Father, Melbourne".
This led me firm up Jane Sherry as follows...
Parents - Richard Sherry and Jean McClure
Birth 1835 Monaghan, Ireland
Arrival 1853 20 Sep Age: 18 Melbourne, Australia
ship AUSTRALIA
Marriage to Martin Ward 1854 Age: 19
Adelaide; from Jane Elizabeth 1855 birth cert. 524: and
Williamstown, Victoria from d. cert. #1935.
Residence 1856
Age: 21 Castlemaine, Victoria, Australia
from birthplace of child
Residence 1859
to 1876
Age: 24 Bendigo, (Sandhurst) Victoria, Australia
from birthplace of children.
Residence 1879
Age: 44, Napoleon St, Collingwood, Victoria
from Lucinda b. entry.
Residence 1885
Age: 50 Richmond, Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
Death 1900
1 Dec
Age: 65, Heidelberg, Victoria. Austin Hospital.
I can transcribe Lucinda's birth entry details if you like; this is the only one I have bought so far.
ross.
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There's TWO (YES two) index entries at NSW SRO's Deceased Estates index for Jane BERRY of Gladesville, DD 8 April 1931 at NSW State Records Office. Likely it is all together in one file, perhaps the first one was opened and then sealed with the second one. It may be that there's family history in that file, and at least a dc to support the probate action.
http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au/indexes/searchform.aspx?id=15&new=1
Cheers, JM
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Hi all.
Please see attachment for details of Lucinda's birth Entry.
Tks.
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You probably have this, but just in case
Rookwood Cemetery – Anglican
Jane BERRY, 66 years
8 April 1931
MI ‘wife & our mother’
Section 9, Row 85, plot 4295
Cheers, JM
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Thanks once again, JM.
The Berrys have very capably been researched by members of that family in Sydney. However, it's the Wards and the Sherrys I am after the information about. Usually, I try to find brothers and sisters of my subjects in Australia, work sideways a bit, and then firm up mum and dads vitals from a composite viewpoint. No luck with this strategy either.
Also no luck on Ancestry to find a Middlesex marriage, or even a near match, to Jane Sherry and Martin Ward in or about 1854.
I think they both lied, to cover up the shame of Martin being Transported as a convict. I've had a dig around on the Old Bailey website but haven't been able to prove anything.
ross
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If Martin had been transported, then likely he would be sent to VDL, or Norfolk Island, as transportation to NSW effectively ceased in 1840. The only NSW chap transported arrived in 1824, and was awarded his CP in 1839. Far more people arrived with gold fever in the 1850s and 1860s than had been sent under sentence of a court in all the years previous.
Cheers, JM
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Reply #11, the certificate, offers yet another location for the marriage.
London.
Sue
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This man seems to tick all the boxes.
http://postimg.org/image/yggt389pv/
Search PROV here (VPRS 515 - 'with any of the words' WARD - scroll through the results)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0195j/
The William Hyde arrived into Adelaide in 1849.
Debra :)
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Where was Jane senior (d.1900) buried?
Sue
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Thank you Debra; there is certainly an attractive Adelaide link there.
Sue: the burial details for Jane Ward nee Sherry are as follows...
"I have checked the records for Jane Ward and she is buried in Church of England J 16 at Warringal Cemetery, Heidelberg.
There are no details regarding who purchased the grave even though the records indicate that it was a “private” burial and not a “pauper” burial.
The records indicate that the burial occurred on the 2 December 1900.
There is no Martin Ward buried at any of the cemeteries managed by Banyule City Council."
ross.
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So it is likely that Martin was still alive 2 March 1892 Well found Debra.
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
Perhaps there was an impediment to an 1854 marriage
From INDEX only there is a marriage in Adelaide for a Jane CHERRY …. (spelling as per :) )
It is 1851, and to a Charles MERRETT # 6/161
Cheers, JM
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One Child for Charles MERRETT and Jane CHARREY
Berthenia in 1850 registered The Murray/Burra #6/97
(SA link posted earlier)
Cheers, JM
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Good find Debra.
I cannot see an appropriate Martin WARD on 1841 England census, nor see a London baptism, which isn't helpful either way.
My guess is that Martin and Jane may not have been formally married.
Judith
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When Ellen Rose WARD's death was registered, a second name was given for Martin. Have you seen this anywhere else Ross?
WARD Ellen Rose
Father Martin Lyons
Mother Jane SHERRY
Age 16
Death Place CWOOD
Year 1885
Reg 11590
Sue
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Hmmm - possible parents' marriage?? very long shot!
William WARD
Eliza LYON
Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1832
Marriage Place: Saint James,Westminster,London,England
FHL Film Number: 1042319
Married by banns at St James, Picadilly. Really difficult to read the names of witnesses and no information as to their fathers - it's a Bishops' transcript, not an image of the actual register.
Judith
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This is all circumstantial and very much speculation. ??? :-\ But I couldn't resist ;D ::) 8)
There is a baptism for a child of Eliza and William WARD which MAY be a sibling of Martin and perhaps this is where the shoemaker thing comes from.
Baptism
Feb 11, 1835
City of London Lying-In Hospital
Frederick John WARD
Parents: William and Eliza WARD, Little Shire Lane
William's occupation is given as 'shoemaker'
Judith
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Thank you for all your efforts everyone.
Sue: Yes; I had seen "Martin Lyons" on Ellen Rose Ward 1885 death entry. However, there is our "Martin Ward" as the father on the same persons 1869 birth entry. I tend to give more credence to birth entries.
Judith: Yes I agree, there seems nothing in the UK to support a London marriage. And that IS odd, because as you say, you can usually find something in those extremely useful UK Census records, even if you can't find a birth or marriage. Plus I didn't rely on ancestry alone, but had a pretty good dig around on FREECEN and FREEREG, but still no cigar.
So, in the absence of an Australian marriage, that does support the scenario that they never formally married.
Debra: That Vic police charge sheet looks good. Can anyone search across these? Apart from Trove, do you know of any other searchable contemporary records I could read to try to place him and/or his death? Trouble is, he has such lamentably common names. That is why I tried to firm up Jane Sherry first, with a view that I might fully ID hubby along the way. No such luck so far.
JM: What would be an 'impediment to an Adelaide marriage'?
ross.
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:)
Have you considered that Jane may have been already married, married to someone else? So, unable to lawfully marry? (my oldfashioned word "impediment" - a hinderance, hurdle, block)
I noticed on Lucinda's 1879 birth cert, that Jane's maiden name was recorded there as CHERRY. So I had a look and posted a possible marriage under that surname back in 1850 in Adelaide, and gave a live link to an index :)
So it is likely that Martin was still alive 2 March 1892 Well found Debra.
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
Perhaps there was an impediment to an 1854 marriage
From INDEX only there is a marriage in Adelaide for a Jane CHERRY …. (spelling as per :) )
It is 1851, and to a Charles MERRETT # 6/161
Cheers, JM
JM :)
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Thanks JM: I understand now. Hmmm.
Debra: the only Collingwood reference I could find on Trove 1880 to 1910 to a Martin Ward is attached. Very sadly, it reinforces the ratbag picture so it could actually be him, but contributes nothing to his vitals. "Taking the Pledge" ie; giving up the drink: sounds like he didn't, from later entries in that VicPol charge sheet. Chances could be that his death wasn't properly recorded, and no-one gave a toss about him anyway by the time he died, so no newspaper death notices from grieving rellies.
The only other Victoria mentions on Trove relate to that Inglewood Mayor I spoke about. He died in Inglewood in 1876, plus his wife's name was Mary Morgan, so that rules them out.
ross.
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When Ellen Rose WARD's death was registered, a second name was given for Martin. Have you seen this anywhere else Ross?
WARD Ellen Rose
Father Martin Lyons
Mother Jane SHERRY
Age 16
Death Place CWOOD
Year 1885
Reg 11590
Sue
Thank you for all your efforts everyone.
Sue: Yes; I had seen "Martin Lyons" on Ellen Rose Ward 1885 death entry. However, there is our "Martin Ward" as the father on the same persons 1869 birth entry. I tend to give more credence to birth entries.
ross.
The man's surname was WARD. That is to say Martin Lyons WARD. I am saying it is recorded that he had a second given name on this entry. Judith has gone a little further in seeking a possible origin for it.
The only other Victoria mentions on Trove relate to that Inglewood Mayor I spoke about. He died in Inglewood in 1876, plus his wife's name was Mary Morgan, so that rules them out.
ross.
This is not the mayor at Inglewood ;D
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/155022948
1864
Sue
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Thanks for that Sue. I'm sorry; I didn't understand earlier: I thought you meant 'Lyons' as a surname.
ross
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Well, you see, Ross,
Ummm...... Until very very recently, and perhaps still current practice in most fh groups and at RChat, the surname of the person of interest is capitalised. But of course, internet ettiquette considers capitalisation as shouting, so it can send mixed messages when us regulars at RChat transcribe from our resources.
So, if you look back over the thread, you will see that most of us follow that convention, automatically, but not to worry, it is sorting for your quest.
Have you had a chance to read the thread stuck to the top of the main Australia board ? Here is the live link :
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368728.0
Cheers, JM :)
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Sorry - I didn't really explain myself very well.
It's very common to find the mother's surname used in naming. So it seemed to me that it was possible that Martin's mother's surname may have been LYONS, and from this found the marriage already listed, with a date that reasonably fitted with Martin's presumed birthdate.
William WARD
Eliza LYON
Marriage Date: 27 Feb 1832
Marriage Place: Saint James,Westminster,London,England
FHL Film Number: 1042319
Then I looked for children of this couple and found the 1835 baptism for Frederick John WARD with his father's occupation listed as shoemaker.
So far I have not found any of this family in the censuses, nor any trace of a Martin WARD born London 1833/4. I thought it worth posting but it's a very long shot and there is probably little chance of being able to verify whether there is any connection at all.
Judith
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Thank you again Judith. I understand now: yes, I see what you are driving at. Yes, it does seem highly possible William WARD and Eliza LYON could be parents of Martin WARD b.1833. I will have a cross-check on Ancestry for any other persons deceased in Australia to those parents names, with a view to finding brothers and sisters of Martin.
Debra: On that Court record for Martin WARD from PROV: where it says "Previous History - Per William Hyde 1849 Free" - do you know if that "Free" means he was a free settler?
ross
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There were no convict transport ships sent to South Australia.* The British set up South Australia differently from the other colonies. The William Hyde passenger list with the note "Many surnames hard to read" http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1849WilliamHyde.htm
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2965890 26 May 1849, the cargo included railway engines and construction material for the new railway line
Add *
http://boundforsouthaustralia.net.au/historical-background.html
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/50247984 16 May 1849 Newspaper passenger list.
Cheers, JM
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Thank you JM, and thank you all.
I really don't want to keep you all tied up on this; there are many more deserving cases out there. I have many leads to follow now, and quite a lot of reading. I will be busy with subject for quite a while.
How do I politely wind this up? Or does a thread just go dormant if there is no activity?
ross the newbie, (who is still reading the help pages.)
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You are doing fine Ross. We were each newbies once ....
I think (but not sure) that if you look at the bottom left hand part of this thread on your screen (as you started this thread) that there's a button / option to mark the topic completed. It only appears on the Originator's version.
I read about that option recently, I think it is a fairly new option.
If this were my thread, I would leave it open for a day or so more. It is an interesting thread. :)
Cheers, JM
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Yes, I see, thank you JM.
And I will take your advice and let this one lie for a few days.
ross
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Good advice from JM, but I would just leave the thread up. It will eventually drop down "out of sight". To me 'competed' means that it's been solved!
If you buy any of the certificates it would be appreciated if you could add them. As you can see with the name 'Lyons' sometimes there is a tiny clue which may lead to some discovery. In this case, sadly to a brick wall but you never know!
Judith
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Just in relation to Judith's work on the LYON connection, I do note that our couple's first child was a girl. She was given the names Elizabeth and Jane.
One wonders if Jane was for Jane's mother (Jean McCLURE) and Elizabeth for Martin's mother Eliza (beth?) nee LYON.
I am also intrigued about the second given name of Charlotte WARD (whose birth I cannot find, but whose death as Charlotte Lear GARLAND shows in 1935). She is interred with her husband at Springvale and again this unusual second given name is on the index.
It is also shown on Electoral Roll entries for her.
Do you have any clues about it, Ross?
Sue
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Yes Sue, she is my maternal great grandmother, and the middle name caught my imagination too.
As far as I have researched, at the time she was born in Australia the books of English writer Edward Lear were very popular. In the absence of anything handed down to me on the subject, I can only presume she was named after him. Howevber, variants I have found in other records include "Leah", for example.
After I narrowed down her birth to Sandhurst around 1866, the only Ancestry index match I found likely was..
Name: Charlotte Maria Jane Ward
Father's name: Ward Ward
Mother's name: Eliza Charlote Wall Wall
Birth Place: Sandhurst, Victoria
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 23790.
Her second marriage was to George Seabourne GARLAND in 1913. From Trove it appears he was a British ships steward, and they probably met on a cruise (eg: WILCANNIA - see attached, hope he washed his hands afterwards) Charlotte took after her first husband, Joseph Thomas JACKSON, died in 1911. Only had kids by the first hubby, I think.
ross.
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Here is her first marriage Entry...
ross
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Yes Sue, she is my maternal great grandmother, and the middle name caught my imagination too.
After I narrowed down her birth to Sandhurst around 1866, the only Ancestry index match I found likely was..
Name: Charlotte Maria Jane Ward
Father's name: Ward Ward
Mother's name: Eliza Charlote Wall Wall
Birth Place: Sandhurst, Victoria
Registration Year: 1866
Registration Place: Victoria
Registration Number: 23790.
ross.
No, I don't think this is her birth.
This mother (Eliza Charlotte WALL ) and her husband whose name was Charles Henry WARD, had 6 or 7 children in Vic between 1855 and 1868.
I think the birth of your Charlotte has not made it to the registry for one reason or another.
Sue
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Sorry I just spotted your link with the marriage certificate.
It says she was born in Bedford England.
That would mean that Martin and Jane went to England around 1866 after the birth of several children n Vic.
Does this seem likely to you?
ADDING- Maybe she didn't know where she was born ::) It happens!
Sue
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I guess it's possible Sue, but I can find no UK births on Ancestry that support Charlotte being born there. Could have just been a young, betrothed persons wishful thinking borne out of cultural cringe. Still, if the family actually made some decent money out of gold mining (and I hasten to add, it has not filtered down to my generation) they might have taken a steam packet to the old dart for a bit of fun :)
Thanks for your research to discount the index Entry being applicable. A negative result is just as useful as a positive one, hey?
ross.
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I don't know about Victoria and its BDM, but in NSW, there were plenty of reasons for registrations not getting to the Registrar General's office. (It is now all electronic, direct to Sydney)
In NSW the process worked a bit like this from 1856 (Civil registration commenced in NSW)...
Baby born, mum or dad go to local deputy registrar (usually a part time position, perhaps one of the roles given to the Sheriff or the clerk or even the CPS at the court house).... (there's time limits, if they are too long, baby not registered ..... )
Each quarter (so April, July, October and January) that recently finished quarter's returns were meant to be posted to Registrar General in Sydney. (Meant is the operative word).
Until WWI, no formal regulations provided for any follow up if a quarterly return did not arrive.
There were bush rangers who robbed the royal mail coaches. There were lazy clerks who did not prepare quarterly returns, and there were returns sent that were illegible. Probably lots of other reasons too.
So, despite it being compulsory to register a birth, not all births were registered, and those that were, umm.... sometimes we forget to look far enough.... Even those that were, well, not all registrations were acted on at the NSW BDM ..... and when they were, well, it took until the 1930s for a team of volunteers to transcribe the old long hand, thumbed through registration holdings that NSW BDM did have. So, ink bleeds, torn pages, scribbled writing, poor spelling, and other practical hurdles.
It is a blooming miracle there's any holdings at all. We also need to remember that a birth is usually indexed under Mum's then surname. So if Mum is a married woman, even if no longer with that husband, she would likely be registering her babies under HER THEN SURNAME ..... Mrs xxxxxx and if she is not formally married, but known in the community as Mrs yyyyyyyyyyyy then that is likely the index surname used and if she was a single lass, with no male around, then she may have continued to use her nee surname, or perhaps her MUM's nee surname....
And of course, prior to WWI, the records were recorded in long hand by a clerk asking questions verbally, and then asking the informant to "sign here" ..... so there's many options for a) no record to be found and b) look for a different spelling or a completely different surname
Cheers, JM
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Worth noting also, Ross, the marriage certificate gives her a birthdate of 1861, not 1866.
This places her between the birth of John Thomas WARD (1859) and Jane Ward (1864).
Sue
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I can't see how Mr and Mrs Ward would have travelled to Bedford, England and returned :-X
On Lucinda’s birth cert 23 June 1879 , Charlotte is 17 years, and no middle name ….
First three have middle names,
Jane Elizabeth, dead
Mary Ann 22 yrs
John Thomas dead
Charlotte 17 yrs
Elizabeth dead
Jane 15 yrs
Martin dead
Catherine 10 yrs
Ellen 9 yrs
Edward dead
Samuel dead
JM
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On the index for her second marriage, the birthplace is not given for Charlotte Lear JACKSON. It is not given on the Vic index from that year on.
The certificate will show it though, as it was required information.
JACKSON Charl Lear
GARLAND Geo Seabourne
Birth Place -
Year 1913
Sue
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Thanks Sue: I didn't know that about the Vic Index dropping recording places around that time.
Yes, JM. I agree; with the children's birth dates and places, it seems unlikely they would have had a child in the UK amongst all them.
All those deceased WARD children, too. It makes me wonder with these gold mining families. I mean, I know that child mortality was much higher than now. But in the gold fields it seems higher again. Makes me wonder about the arsenic, mercury and other highly toxic substances they used to extract that gold, possibly getting into the ground water. Pretty risky environment, especially for pregnant mums and little kiddies.
ross.
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Yes, well, cause of death is noted on Vic BDM death certs. Gold tailings can definitely have concentrations of those substances, but I think measles, diphtheria, tetanus, TB, pneumonia, Whooping cough, chicken pox, mumps, typhus, ...... were the health threats.
Cheers, JM
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The Martin WARD 1813-1876, JP, mayor etc, who lived at Inglewood was one my OH's ancestors :) There is a headstone for Martin and his son Gerard in the Inglewood Cemetery. Martin's wife Mary returned to England where she died in 1886.
I have posted some of the research I found while researching OH's Martin WARD. Apologies if I have duplicated any information.
One Child for Charles MERRETT and Jane CHARREY
Berthenia in 1850 registered The Murray/Burra #6/97
(SA link posted earlier)
Cheers, JM
So it is likely that Martin was still alive 2 March 1892 Well found Debra.
http://www.genealogysa.org.au/resources/online-databases.html
Perhaps there was an impediment to an 1854 marriage
From INDEX only there is a marriage in Adelaide for a Jane CHERRY …. (spelling as per :) )
It is 1851, and to a Charles MERRETT # 6/161
Cheers, JM
This couple were still having children in South Australia in 1860.
The WILLIAM HYDE arrived Adelaide with 104 passengers. No Wm WARD.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article50247984
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/1849WilliamHyde.htm
The WILLIAM HYDE arrived Melbourne from Adelaide 30 Jun 1849. No passengers' names listed.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article12913475
WARD Martin Born c1832
Biographical register 1858
Place: Peg Leg Gully
Married 1 or 15 Jan 1853 Williamstown Victoria
Spouse Sherry, Jane
Spouse born: 1834
Eaglehawk & district pioneer register.
Author/compiler: O'Donohue, Annette and Hanson, Bev. Page#1702
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article58432468 1885
Martin WARD remanded from last week on a charge of unlawfully assaulting his wife, was discharged on promising to take the pledge, and behave better to his wife.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article112864787 1886
Eastern Court Melbourne a Martin WARD before the court for drunkenness.
Cando
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Thanks Cando, JM.
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If these two VicPol charge sheets are the same person, that would make the 2 Jan 1854 Williamstown Marriage of Jane SHERREY to George WATKINS my next key research document. However, I am still looking for Martins (Georges?) (presumably) Australia death. Could he have died in the Melbourne Benevolent Asylum as an incurable alcoholic?
The only George WATKINS I can find on Ancestry's Asylum records discharged himself in 1926; that would have made my man 90 to 100 years old.
Would members have some advice about researching MBA records, please. Or maybe burials of institutionalised people c1905?
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I am just closing off this inquiry as solved, and attach the 31 Mar 1886 Fitzroy, Victoria, Australia marriage Entry which solved it. It turns out that, yes, there was an impediment to an 1854 marriage, because that's when Jane SHERRY married a George WATKINS in Williamstown, Victoria. He must have refused to divorce her, so Martin and Jane cohabited and brought up a family until George died (cited as 1882, but possibly 1878), after which they married. I can find no WATKINS children to George and Jane.
Martin WARD, born London abt 1833 to Joseph WARD and Mary SHAE.
Jane SHERRY, born Monaghan, Ireland abt 1831 to Thomas SHERRY and Ann McLure.
Many thanks to all.
Regards, Ross,
Queensland, Australia.