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need help to find any info on minnie fuller. She had a daughter ivy evelyn p fuller (adopted surname Spendlove) in Edenbridge, Kent, UK in 1898. Cant find anything about minnie fuller - who her parents were, when she was born etc.
Any help would be very much appreciated
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When was Ivy adopted? I can't identify her in the 1901 or 1911 censuses under either name.
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Good evening,
Was Minnie her actual given name or is it just a familiar name used by everyone. Fuller is quite a common name through west kent and east sussex. It makes searching very difficult as I have found when trying to trace my Fuller ancestors.
John915
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Probably just a red herring but I noticed that the "P" in Ivy's name stood for Pope. There's a marriage in Camberwell Sept Qtr 1901 for a Charles Henry POPE and a Mene FULLER.
He seems to be from Cranbrook and she from Lenham.
Just a thought. :)
Maureen
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Just for ref:
Ivey Fuller Spenlove in 1901.
Maureen
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Hi Maureen, that looks good :)
1901 Census
Mene Fuller 27 Single occ Cook b Lenham working for a Goulden family in Blean, Kent
Census Ref RG13/796/69/7
Keyboard86
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Hi in 1881 Mene Fuller aged 9 b Lenham with parents Charles & Georgina and siblings residing at Town, Lenham, Hollingbourn, Kent
Census Ref RG11/934/78/12
Keyboard86
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Minnie FFuller was a teenager in 1898 when she had Ivy Evelyn Pope Fuller. Pope is supposed to be her father's surname. Ivy Evelyn Pope Fuller was adopted between 1898 and 19091. She was in living in Whitstable,Kent in 1901 (surname spelled wrong - Spenlove) and in Seaham, Co Durham in 1911. It is Minnie Fuller who I am trying to trace. She gave birth to Ivy in Eden Villa, Edenbridge, Kent and is described as a Cook (Domestic) . Cant find any other info about Minnie Fuller.
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Minnie Fuller is the only name I know. Dont know if Minnie is short for anything else.
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With so little to go on, even if we come up with possible matches for Minnie, I don't know how you could prove or disprove them.
Where was Ivy born? Was it at home or in the workhouse or somewhere else? If in the workhouse, it might be worth seeing if the workhouse records are available to try for any more info (I have been looking at details of illegitimate births in the workhouse in my family this very week!)
Do you have Ivy's birth cert? Who was the informant - was it Minnie or someone else?
Is "Eden Villa" identifiable on the 1891 and 1901 censuses to see who was living there?
How do you know that Minnie was a teenager?
Sorry, lots of questions but just trying to think what avenues could be explored.
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Thinking about this, if you have definite proof that Minnie was a teenager when she gave birth, that realistically would put her between the ages of 15 - 19, so with a year of birth 1879 - 1883.
She may not have come from Kent; she could have been working away from home, she could have been sent away (or ran away) to give birth.
There is a Fuller family in Edenbridge in the relevant time period but they don't have a daughter Minnie with them (and in fact there are no Minnie Fullers on freeBMD born in that part of Kent in the relevant timeframe).
There is a birth for a Millicent Fuller in the Sevenoaks district (which inc Edenbridge) in 1883 - I don't know what became of her, I can't see her after that.
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The informant on Ivy's birth certificate is H.E. Mitchell who was present at the birth. In 1901 there was a Robert Mitchell and his family living at 5 Eden Villa, Edenbridge which I think might be the same family but the domestic cook is another person who is listed in the census. I have always looked for a big house called Eden Villa but found out that it is a row of houses that go from No. 1 to No. 8 and if this is the right place then Ivy was born at no. 5 The only thing I know about Minnie is she worked as a servant in a big house and the son of the owner of the house was supposed to have got her pregnant. I do not know where this house was but have always presumed it was in Edenbridge because that was where Ivy was born. One of Ivy's middle names is Pope which is also supposed to be the surname of her father. Ivy was given to a lady when she was born who also had a disabled child and she gave Ivy away to her adoptive parents. She was supposed to have been advertised but I dont know if this is true.
It has also been suggested that Minnie might have been sent away to Edenbridge to have her baby but again I do not know i this is true.
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One of Ivy's middle names is Pope which is also supposed to be the surname of her father. Ivy was given to a lady when she was born who also had a disabled child and she gave Ivy away to her adoptive parents. She was supposed to have been advertised but I dont know if this is true.
The Mene Fuller who married Charles Pope was my great grandfather Charles Fuller's sister. If you find out that she is the mother of your Ivy you can always contact me for more info on the family going back several generations.