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My tree has led to the name "Drant" (twice - I think a 1st cousin marriage may be involved), around 1780-1820
It appears that the Drants were around Hull - and then married/moved to Grimsby.
But I am struggling to find records.
I have a small family tree derived from baptisms found on familysearch;
father: George Drant, wife: Susannah, children Susannah b1824, Sarah Ann b1825, Margaret b1827, George b1828, all baptised at Holy Trinity Hull.
I have a (so far separate) Ann Drant b1791, who married a Thomas Kennington in 1809, Grimsby, Lincs.
Susannah and Sarah Ann Drant were living in the household of Ann and Thomas in 1841 census; I suspect them of being Ann (Senr) Drant's nieces.
Then William Kennington (b1814, Grimsby, son of Ann and Thomas) married Susannah Drant.
I can find no more than this; I have dug into anc*str and familysearch pretty desparately.
Am I missing a well known source of "Humber" records?
BugBear
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There must have been another daughter before Susannah:
Hull Packet 29 July 1842
On Tuesday the 26th inst at Grimsby Church, by the Rev. D. De Boudry. Mr. William Kennington, wine merchant, of Grimsby, to Susanna, second daughter of the late George Drant, Esq. of Hull.
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Hull Packet 10 May 1831
On Thursday last, aged 50. Mr. George Drant. formerly a tallow chandler at this place, but who had retired from business some time since
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There must have been another daughter before Susannah:
Hull Packet 29 July 1842
On Tuesday the 26th inst at Grimsby Church, by the Rev. D. De Boudry. Mr. William Kennington, wine merchant, of Grimsby, to Susanna, second daughter of the late George Drant, Esq. of Hull.
An excellent nugget of information - thank you!
BugBear
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Hull Packet 19 February 1836- death notice
(Friday Last) ... aged 41, Mrs Drant relict of Mr. George Drant, of this place
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Hull Packet 10 May 1831
On Thursday last, aged 50. Mr. George Drant. formerly a tallow chandler at this place, but who had retired from business some time since
Which gives a George Drant being born in 1781, of course. If that's right he was 43 when Susanna was born.
He died soon after George's birth in 1828, poor soul, if this George is indeed the husband of Susanna and father of the four children.
BugBear
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Hull Packet 19 February 1836- death notice
(Friday Last) ... aged 41, Mrs Drant relict of Mr. George Drant, of this place
Aargh! Typical of the day, she didn't even rate her own Christian name in a death notice.
It's not only offensive sexism, it's inconvenient!
And my BNA account terminated 2 days ago...
BugBear
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Possible marriage: George Drant and Susanna Welburg, in York, 26 September 1822
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Pigot's directory of 1818,1819,1820 (on Ac*stry) gives a
George Drant in its list of Tallow Chandlers, at 14, Trundle St
By 1826, White's has
Drant, George, gent. North Parade, Beverly Rd.
1828, Pigot also has him as a gent, same address.
Is a tallow chandler a gent, or are these 2 people?
BugBear
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Possible marriage: George Drant and Susanna Welburg, in York, 26 September 1822
It's even better than that - the "York" is Yorkshire (not York the City).
It looks like this marriage is (actually) near Hull;
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NL7G-Z5W
Name: George Drant
Spouse's Name: Susannah Welbury
Event Date: 28 Sep 1822
Event Place: Sculcoates,York,England
(today Sculcoates is a district of Hull)
BugBear
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An 1822 Directory has
Drant, George, gent, Providence Row, Beverly Road.
So he must have retired around 1821.
I also saw an 1814 newspaper reference to George Drant, Trundle Street, soap-maker
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Looks like the family may (well) have moved to Grimsby, judging by the location of this Marriage
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVHH-34P
Name: George Henry Willows
Spouse's Name: Sarah Ann Drant
Event Date: 12 Jun 1845
Event Place: St James', Great Grimsby, Lincoln, England
Father's Name: George Willows
Spouse's Father's Name: George Drant
BugBear
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Here's a bit of a puzzle:
Hull Packet 4 September 1868
Drant-Dann: August 26, at the parish Church, Great Grimsby, by the Rev. P. Ainslie, Mr. George Drant, eldest son of William Kennington, esq., to Margaret Letitia, second daughter of William Dann, esq., Wellow House, Great Grimsby
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Here's a bit of a puzzle:
Hull Packet 4 September 1868
Drant-Dann: August 26, at the parish Church, Great Grimsby, by the Rev. P. Ainslie, Mr. George Drant, eldest son of William Kennington, esq., to Margaret Letitia, second daughter of William Dann, esq., Wellow House, Great Grimsby
No, that's fine. "George Drant" are his two forenames, just like "Margaret Letitia" are the bride's two forenames. Their surnames are Kennington and Dann respectively.
George Drant Kennington is the 2nd child, b1846, of William Kennington and Susanna Drant.
This is the 1st cousin marriage that I suspected (see first post)
But I have found a confounding record;
The father of this birth:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N15W-NGS
May or may not be the same guy as the husband of Susanna, our Gent or the Tallow Chandler.
BugBear
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George Drant Kennington is the 2nd child, b1846, of William Kennington and Susanna Drant.
Did he change his name to Drant? The marriage is Drant-Dann. Or perhaps that was an error in the newspaper.
Re the 1805 birth I have seen references to a George Drant who had a brickyard at Sculcoates around that time. There was also a George Drant in Salftfleetby, a bit further away.
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Back to George and Betty Drant, parents of the George who was born (and died ) in 1805.
Betty Drant died in Hull and was buried on 22 December 1818. So it is feasible that this was the same George who married Susanna Welbury - BUT on the BT of the 1822 marriage George is described as "gentleman & bachelor".
Witnesses to the 1822 marriage were John Vause and Margaret Welbury.
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Thanks very much for all your help and information. These Drants are tricksy, aren't they?
And I'm no further forward on establishing wether (or not) Ann (wife of Thomas Kennington) is the sister of George (father of Susanna).
BugBear
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George & Betty Drant had at least two other children: Mary Appleton Drant baptised in 1800 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWKT-STL (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWKT-STL) and Elizabeth Drant baptised in 1807 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK6Q-HXH (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK6Q-HXH)
Mary Appleton Drant married William Bauch, a mariner, at Holy Trinity in 1820. Witnesses were William Drant and Mary Ann Harrison.
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This court case lists George Drant's children as Mary, Susanna, Sarah, Margaret, William, and George http://tinyurl.com/pejmwt9
So is that Mary Appleton Drant perhaps?
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This court case lists George Drant's children as Mary, Susanna, Sarah, Margaret, William, and George http://tinyurl.com/pejmwt9
So is that Mary Appleton Drant perhaps?
It also mentions his friend "Thomas Kennington". :)
(BTW, I'm away from email and the 'net for the rest of the afternoon, so if you post more good
of your excellent stuff, and I don't respond, that'll be the reason.)
BugBear
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William Drant baptised 1801, parents George and Elizabeth https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N15W-XHN
There's also a marriage of a George Drant and Elizabeth Stephenson at Holy Trinity in 1813 - a bit late and according to the transcription that George was aged only 22 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXCK-D4X
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That court case is golden;
http://tinyurl.com/pejmwt9
It certainly sits well with our rich George Drant, "Gent". There's enough money in the will to be worth going to court over.
It also confirms that "this" George Drant is the father of the Susannah and Sarah Ann Drant who are living with ("his friend") Thomas Kennington in the 1841 census.
And the will date "17 Mar 1831" predates (by just a little) the death notice "10 May 1831".
If we consequently believe that the will and death relate to the same person, we've finally linked our "rich" George Drant and our "Tallow Chadler" George Drant to be one and the same person.
There do appear to be multiple Drant famlies knocking about to confuse matters.
BugBear
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Hull Packet 10 May 1831
On Thursday last, aged 50. Mr. George Drant. formerly a tallow chandler at this place, but who had retired from business some time since
Burial appears to be this;
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JD3Q-RXS
BugBear
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So if we're taking the death notice to be "the right one", 1781 is the DOB, and leads to:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NG52-MHK
Name: George Drant
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 08 Jan 1781
Christening Place: SALTFLEETBY ALL SAINTS,LINCOLN,ENGLAND
Father's Name: John Drant
Mother's Name: Mary
BugBear
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Re that 1813 Drant/Stephenson marriage I think it was probably John Drant rather than George https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N2JW-52W
FindMyPast has a transcribed marriage license for that one
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John Drant was a hairdresser and perfumer, declared bankrupt in 1825.
(info from trade directories and the BNA).
Back to George Drant.
I have an explaination of how a Tallow Chandler and a "Gent" can be the same person.
In 1813 he was offering 60-80 TONS of soap ash for sale (BNA again), so I think he was tallow-chandler-ing on the grandest of scales, not making a few candles!
BugBear
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Reviewing my data, I note that the only evidence I have for the Ann Drant/Thomas Kennington marriage in 1809 Grimsby is Pallot's Marriage Index, which is pretty thin gruel as evidence goes.
Does anyone have more detailed/original info that this?
Given the period, my best hope for extra info are the witness names (although occupations and parish information, in fact ANYTHING would be welcome).
BugBear
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the Ann Drant/Thomas Kennington marriage in 1809 Grimsby
FindMyPast has transcriptions in its "Lincolnshire marriages" and "Lincolnshire Marriage Licence Bonds and Allegations" datasets. Not the original images.
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the Ann Drant/Thomas Kennington marriage in 1809 Grimsby
FindMyPast has transcriptions in its "Lincolnshire marriages" and "Lincolnshire Marriage Licence Bonds and Allegations" datasets. Not the original images.
Thanks for looking. Much appreciated.
BugBear
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This is all very interesting as I have Sara Ann Drant married to Henry George Willows
Marriage 12 June 1845,Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England, batch No M16322-2
They lived on a property called Swallow Mount Farm, Swallow, Lincolinshire
England and they had 5 Children.
George Henry Willows
William Willows
Thomas Willows
Sussanah Willows
Henry Drant Willows
William, Thomas and Henry Drant came to Australia, George Henry and Sussanah emigrated to Canada. My husband is a GGson of Henry Drant Willows.
Leenor
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This is all very interesting as I have Sara Ann Drant married to Henry George Willows
Marriage 12 June 1845,Great Grimsby, Lincolnshire, England, batch No M16322-2
They lived on a property called Swallow Mount Farm, Swallow, Lincolinshire
England and they had 5 Children.
George Henry Willows
William Willows
Thomas Willows
Sussanah Willows
Henry Drant Willows
William, Thomas and Henry Drant came to Australia, George Henry and Sussanah emigrated to Canada. My husband is a GGson of Henry Drant Willows.
Leenor
Well, now you can go that little bit further back in time!
IIRC I have other relations in both NZ and Aus to whom you (or your husband) are (therefore) definitely related.
BugBear
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My Husband is the the Willows descendant. Henry Drant Willows married Annie Fletcher Boycott COOKSON. They had 7 children and so there are many Willows descendants in Australia, Sarah Drant Willows Married Sidney Harold Norris. the grandparents of my husband.
I believe Sussanah Drant who Married William Kennington had a son Benjamin Thomas Kennington who became a well known British artist.
Sussanna Willows daughter of GH Willows and SA Drant Married William Reynolds Gibbons. There is a town in Canada near Edmonton named Gibbons after this family and quite a few families there are related to this line as well.
Quite a well traveled family I would say.
Leenor
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An amazing coincidence. Today we were in Bendigo for the Easter festival and visited the Bendigo Art Gallery where Trevor discovered a painting by Thomas Kennington called "Homeless".
Leenor
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Hello - I am related to this DRANT family via Thomas BARKWORTH.
I'd love to continue the discussion!