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Title: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 29 March 15 11:53 BST (UK)
Hello!

Im trying to look for the parents of Alfred James Cain b. 1914 in St Pancras, London. His mother is listed as being a Bass but when i search for marriages i cant seem to find anything that matches?

is anyone able to help me?

Thanks in advance x
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 29 March 15 12:17 BST (UK)
A tree on Ancestry has a photo of a gravestone, which mentions:

Arthur James Cain, 1914-2005
Winifred Cain, 1913-1922
Arthur Frank Cain, 1879-1960
Minnie Cain, 1879-1971


Is this the same chap?


No ;D This one born in Bedfordshire! ::)


Alfred's mother was probably a widow when she married Mr Cain?
So the marriage will be under her married name?

The best solution is to buy Alfres's birth certificate, which will mention both mother's and father's names.
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 29 March 15 12:25 BST (UK)
The guy i have died in 1970 i believe in Devon. He had 3 other siblings

George B Cain b. 1913
Frances M Cain b. 1915 d. abt 2012 Devon
Albert A Cain b. 1920
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 29 March 15 12:27 BST (UK)
There's a marriage between Charles CAIN and Mary Ann HORNETT ???
on A*try. 24 Nov 1895 St Andrew, Haverstock Hill.
She's a 21 yr old widow-father is Charles BASS.
They do seem to be in St Pancras in a later census.


Maureen
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 29 March 15 12:40 BST (UK)
By jove i think your right! This seems to be the most likely :)
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: Wred on Sunday 29 March 15 12:55 BST (UK)
There's a marriage in March quarter 1913 between Alfred Cain and a Maud M BEAL in St Pancras

But also a birth 1929 of an Alfred J CAIN mothers maiden name BEAL just to confuse things.
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 29 March 15 13:04 BST (UK)
The surname i am looking for is definitely Bass. I also doubt they would name 2 of their children Alfred J when the first Alfred survived?... 
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 29 March 15 13:05 BST (UK)
The guy i have died in 1970 i believe in Devon. He had 3 other siblings

George B Cain b. 1913
Frances M Cain b. 1915 d. abt 2012 Devon
Albert A Cain b. 1920

Just wondering about your info for Frances. Did she not marry?

Devon seems such a long way from home for the Pancras crowd. :)

Maureen
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: KGarrad on Sunday 29 March 15 13:13 BST (UK)
Who did Alfred name as his father on his Marriage Certificate?
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: Wred on Sunday 29 March 15 13:47 BST (UK)
If you take the 1895 marriage and have George born 1913 as eldest child that means a gap of 18 years before they had children, and then they have 1 a year for next 3 years.

Very often mistakes with transcribing names means looking for similar names. My g-granny has a different surname in church record and civil record and the vicar was registrar for both.

Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: Wred on Sunday 29 March 15 14:00 BST (UK)
scrub 1913 marriage Maud was born a BEAL
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: littlefacey on Sunday 29 March 15 14:04 BST (UK)
Frances did marry to a Baker and died in Torbay a few years ago.

I havent seen the actual marriage certificate but from the 1911 census it looks like they had a total of 11 children with the above 4 siblings being the last to be born.
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 29 March 15 14:11 BST (UK)
If you take the 1895 marriage and have George born 1913 as eldest child that means a gap of 18 years before they had children, and then they have 1 a year for next 3 years.

Very often mistakes with transcribing names means looking for similar names. My g-granny has a different surname in church record and civil record and the vicar was registrar for both.

Um-Only because mmn wasn't added until (foggy brain) late 1911?

If it's the family I was looking at.......wow....there were many children.

Probably wasn't the point you were making :). Sorry.

Maureen
Title: Re: Record Search Help - Cain / Bass
Post by: MaureeninNY on Sunday 29 March 15 14:39 BST (UK)
 :-[ :-[ :)

I'm such a slow poke at the keyboard.