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Title: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: waf107 on Tuesday 31 March 15 21:46 BST (UK)
I believe he may be my illegitimate great grandmother's biological father. She was Frances Hue b.1840 in Lee, Kent. Her mother Mary Solman later married a Philip Sayers. Her father was not named on her birth cert, but Frances names him on her marriage cert. as Lachome(sic) Hue (deceased). So far the only records found that might pertain to him have been found in the Aliens Arrival database showing a Lacolombe Hue travelling frequently between France and UK in 1830s and 40s. Can anyone please advise me as to where I might find out more about him?

Thank you in anticipation.

Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: chempat on Tuesday 31 March 15 23:06 BST (UK)
related:

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=662025.0
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: bevj on Wednesday 01 April 15 08:21 BST (UK)
May be just a coincidence but FamilySearch has two entries for a Lacolombe Hue.  They are in the collection of Westminster Rate Books for the years 1850 and 1851.  Address given as Blandford Street but no image available nor further details.

Bev
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 01 April 15 09:06 BST (UK)
The images are available with a subscription at FindMyPast.

They contain little in the way of genealogical information but he was paying rates at 15 Blandford Street, St Marylebone.

In the 1851 census Theresa Hues born France is enumerated as living there with Josh Glenier and Julia Galway.

In 1861 Thirsa Hue has moved on to 43 Somerset Street, she claims to be married and has a son Emmanuel and is running the address as a lodging house.
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: despair on Wednesday 01 April 15 09:20 BST (UK)
There seems a possibility that he appears mistranscribed on one major database as Lacolombe Hire working as a valet/butler in Portland Place,given as born 1815,France

HO107/1487/387/77

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 01 April 15 09:32 BST (UK)
Good find Roger, ties up nicely with the snippet of marriage cert posted on the other topic and he is still in the same registration/census area

Ancestry has him as Lacolcombe Keri
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: waf1 on Wednesday 01 April 15 10:39 BST (UK)
Thank you all so much for taking the trouble to find all this out for me. As you say, it ties up with the info on Frances' marriage certificate. I was interested to find out that the certificate was amended a few weeks after the marriage and her maiden name changed to Sayers (her step-father's name) and noted as an inadvertent error. I wonder what/who prompted this?

I've not before heard of Family Search so that's another avenue which will allow me to continue the search.

Again, thank you everyone.
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: despair on Wednesday 01 April 15 10:58 BST (UK)
It could be coincidence but in the 1851 census there is also a Mary Hue aged 7 at a Catholic School in the Marylebone area.Further in the 1871 census there is a Marie Hue of similar age staying as a sister in law with her sister Adele Ramand.It seems to me that these could be the children of,interestingly, a Francois Hue

https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Ahue~%20%2Bbirth_place%3Afrance~%20%2Bbirth_year%3A1820-1850~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Afrancois~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Aeugenie~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Aleclerc~

There are no instances of a Christian name Lacolombe given on Family Search other than the subject of this enquiry.As  Francois is given as from Cherbourg,Manche perhaps he channel hopped and used the name Lacolombe("the dove"?).

Regards
Roger

Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: waf1 on Wednesday 01 April 15 12:26 BST (UK)
Yes, I agree, Roger, he could turn out to be a Francois. However, on the Alien Arrivals db he's shown to be in possession of a passport and signs himself as Lacolombe Hue. Wouldn't his details have been recorded as shown in his passport, but Lacolombe could be a middle name? So far unable to find Therese Hue in the 1851 census on Ancestry as suggested upthread. Now searching for some indication of his date of death - between 1851 and 1863.

Wendy
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: despair on Wednesday 01 April 15 12:37 BST (UK)
This first reference gives a fuller name

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR6G-VJD

Perhaps this is his death in 1853?

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FRL3-R5Y

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 01 April 15 12:40 BST (UK)
1851 census ref for Theresa

HO107
Piece number    1488
Folio    543
Page    77
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: jorose on Wednesday 01 April 15 14:46 BST (UK)
There is/was a family using the surnames Hue de La Colombe or Hue La Colombe
It seems an unusual first name (Colombe does appear occasionally in French records as a girl's name).

In the Aliens Arrival database, when he's travelling back and forth, is there any indication of which port he normally travelled from? It may be possible to track down who would hold his passport records. (I believe it depends on where it was issued, I know the Gironde archives have some online).
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 01 April 15 15:37 BST (UK)
In April 1850 he rented out the house  at 15 Blandford Street, Portman Square to a Charles Harvey at £40 per annum for use as a loan and investment society office. Harvey turned out to be a swindler named Charles Stanley, alias Dixon. Lacolombe Hue gave evidence on this at Bow Street court in May 1850. See London Daily News 18 May 1850, page 6, final column.

Page link for FindMyPast subscribers: http://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000051%2f18500518%2f017
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 01 April 15 16:42 BST (UK)
Great find Shaun!
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: despair on Wednesday 01 April 15 17:42 BST (UK)
There is a death of a Francois Hue aged 58 in 1870 in the Pancras registration district.This could be a fit for the father of Marie and Adele,but would rule him out(?)as being synonymous with Lacolombe who is given as deceased on an earlier marriage certificate.

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: ShaunJ on Wednesday 01 April 15 18:13 BST (UK)
In the Morning Post 26 September 1850 "Une jeune francaise" is advertising (in French) for a position as a governess. Mdlle "MD" was living with her mother "Chez Mme Hue, 15 Blandford Street".

The "u" in Hue is written with a trema (2 dots over it like an umlaut). That also appears on the 1848 Alien Arrivals signature.
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: waf1 on Wednesday 01 April 15 20:19 BST (UK)
Goodness, such a lot of info in less than 24 hours - thank you all!

It'll take me a while to sort it all out but I think it is confirmed that his first name must be Lacolombe (it's not a nickname) and that 15 Blandford Street, W1, was his residence - at least he paid the rates for 1850/51. Still looking for a date of death. What are the Gironde archives?

Regards
Wendy
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: jorose on Wednesday 01 April 15 22:38 BST (UK)
The departmental archives of Gironde (the department where Bordeaux is)
Their online search has various indexes including some passport records:
http://gael.gironde.fr/

There are some for "Hue" (easiest way - go to Recherche dans les passeports and search in "text libre" box). However, this only covers passports issued in Gironde.

If he had a passport, it could have been issued in one of the coastal departments (depending where he sailed from - that's why I asked) - or in his home location.  It might give us a home town for him if we could turn one up.
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: despair on Friday 03 April 15 14:20 BST (UK)
I can't make anything more of it yet,but the following must be more than coincidence:-

Following ShaunJ's second snippet,I have found a Matilda Dewalle in Blandford Street in 1851

HO 107/1488/467/8

In Alien Arrivals in 1846 there is an Emmanuel Van de Walle,described as a Belgian gent

In the 1837 reference for Lacolombe Hue he is travelling from Antwerp to Soho(later departures are from Cherbourg?)

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: despair on Friday 03 April 15 15:14 BST (UK)
Could be back to the drawing board,that Matilda may prove to be Matilda Deaville born 1831 to George and Charlotte in Leek,Staffs!

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: waf1 on Friday 03 April 15 17:13 BST (UK)
Still checking all Alien Arrivals for Hue. Many do not give a first name. Thank you for interpreting 16 Oct 1837 as Antwerp to Soho - I'd found it more or less illegible! On that one he signs as 'L. Hue' without umlaut.

For 17 Sep 1847 a Saturne Hue sails from Boulogne to Dover. Signed 'Hue'.

For 17 Jul 1948 Lacolombe sails from Boulogne to Dover and there is no signature.

For 19 Jul 1948 no departure port is given, he arrives at Dover. He signs as 'Lacolombe Hue' with umlaut.

Sure I've seen a fourth signature somewhere (just 'L. Hue') but for the life of me I can't remember where!

Possibly his passport was issued in northern France.

BTW: I've used Ancestry for some years now, but have just taken out a month's sub to FindMyPast after reading some posts upthread and using FamilySearch. FindMyPast finds Therese Hue in 1851 census and Westminster Rates data but Ancestry doesn't. However, I'm finding FindMyPast very clunky to use and it doesn't find any records for people I know full well existed and have dates for. Do you have any tips for using FindMyPast, please - what am I doing wrong?

Regards
Wendy
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: despair on Friday 03 April 15 17:47 BST (UK)
The other record is under Sacolombe,I think.You may not be doing anything wrong,,different datasbase compilers read the originals and transcribe them differently-some of the handwriting is particularly difficult!

Regards
Roger
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: jorose on Tuesday 14 April 15 09:26 BST (UK)
Adele (~1839/40?) and Mary (b. ~1844) might be worth a second look. I do not think that the records found for them in Manche are the right family - that Francois was a farmer at marriage, and the 1853 death is a different man I think (different wife) ( archives.manche.fr for the original civil records).

Also if "Mary" in 1851 and "Marie" in 1871 are the same, where is she in 1861?

The problem is that so many French records have not been indexed.

in the UK:
Adele Hue m. 1858 to Francois Ranvaud
she gives her birthplace as "Normandy" in 1861 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7GS-H63 - I don't have access to the full) and 1911, but just France otherwise.
sister "Mary" could be the Marie/Maria Hue m. 1872 Westminster.  I think to Henri Jean:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3P7-P5B

Not sure what happened to Marie or her family after 1881 - they may have returned to France.

Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: waf1 on Wednesday 15 April 15 13:00 BST (UK)
JoRose, thank you, and everyone else, for the latest info.

Regards
Wendy
Title: Re: Lacolombe Hue, French national
Post by: jorose on Wednesday 15 April 15 13:20 BST (UK)
Also possibly relevant.
An E. Hue-Lacolombe ran some sort of boarding house at 108  rue de la Pépinière (8e Paris) between at least 1862 and 1864.   (http://gallica.bnf.fr/ ).  Not all the directories are up.
In 1861 "Huetlacombe" at the same address.
Not there in 1860.