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This is a long shot as I have nothing more than a little family folklore to go on.
it is believed that my Grandmother, Mary Ellen Dawson was pregnant and engaged to a gentleman.
Our source of this info said that Mary Ellen had the child but it died shortly after birth (not sure how long after hours,days, weeks) and the engagement was called off. She was then sent to Canada to avoid further embarrassment.
She immigrated to Canada in Sept 1910. she was born in Alvaston, Derby England and lived at 14 Trent street at the time of her immigration. Father was Edward Dawson, mother was Sarah (Crossley) Dawson.
Looking for records or confirmation of this missing child?
Thanks
Branching Out
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Have you seen the number of Dawson births/deaths in Derbyshire on freebmd 1909-1910?
It would be virtually impossible to pinpoint the right one unless you concentrated on those born in the RD covering Alvaston (Shardlow) . That pre-supposes she didn't go away from home for the birth
Freebmd has 8 births in Shardlow 1909 - Sept qtr 1910 so you need to look for deaths for those children
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There is this birth
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KBXF-FM3
Cathy
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That looks spot on doesn't it - I wonder if there is a corresponding death for her.
There's a Fanny E Dawson death in Derby Sep 1912 age 2 :-\
The Fanny Elizabeth burial is Alvaston 18 Aug 1912
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Hi Milliepede.
your right this does look spot on! other family events took place at boulton. I wonder if there is a corresponding death?
Thanks
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She immigrated to Canada in Sept 1910
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I wonder if there is a possibility she left the child with family when she came to canada in 1910? The name fanny is a prominent name in her family. That's why I thought it might be a possible match.
Thanks Branching Out
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That Fanny should be on the 1911 census.
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There was a Thomas William Dawson death registered in june 1910 for Shardlow?
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I would rule out Fanny Elizabeth first - she has the right mother :)
Depending where she is in 1911 and who she is with could be helpful.
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Where would I look for where she was in 1911? Further info is Mary Ellen Dawson was born in 1885 and came to Canada and married here.
She would have been about 23 or 24 at the time of Fanny Elizabeth's birth if this is the same Mary ellen? Her mother and grandmother all had children out of wedlock. See a pattern here?
Thanks
Branching Out
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I was thinking the 1911 census - Derbyshire.
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Thanks Millepede!
I took a look and could not see Fanny Elizabeth Dawson ages 1-2.
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No me neither :(
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If she was left in a orphanage or a work house would she have been recorded in the 1911 census?
Thanks
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She should have been recorded somewhere. We know the 2 year old who died 1912 was alive census time - unless the death age is wrong :-\
I suppose you could get the birth for this baby as confirmation the mother was your Mary Ellen.
The address might be one you recognise.
The link posted to the baptism with mother Mary Ellen does look spot on.
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Births Dec 1909
DAWSON Fanny Elizabeth
Derby 7b 577
Deaths Sep 1912
DAWSON Fanny E 2
Derby 7b 549
Assuming E is Elizabeth and this is the same little girl. Don't want to lead you to the wrong person.
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Hi Milliepede
I have been looking at other entries and I believe we have the right child here. I think to verify this the next step is to apply for some certificates. Its unfortunate that I can not find her in the 1911 census, as you are right, it would be interesting to see whom she was staying with at the time.
I'm wondering if the child was with the unknown fathers family. I guess we will never really know.
Thanks for all your help.
Branching Out!
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Births Dec 1909
DAWSON Fanny Elizabeth
Derby 7b 577
Deaths Sep 1912
DAWSON Fanny E 2
Derby 7b 549
Assuming E is Elizabeth and this is the same little girl. Don't want to lead you to the wrong person.
So Milliepede, I have recently acquired the birth and death records for these Fanny Dawson's and they are a match and I 100% believe these are the right girls as in the same girl. The address on the birth record matches the address that Mary Ellen Dawson was living at at the time of the birth and on the death record it clearly indicates whom the mother was. Now the search continues. it has on the death certificate the name of a grandmother which would be the fathers mother. its a Maria Jordan living on Field Lane Alvaston Derby. Can you see her any where in the 1901 or 1911 census?
Thanks Branching out!
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I was interested in your post as I have Dawsons in my trees but they don't appear to be the same family.
However, I had a look for Maria Jordan for you. Can't see her at all in 1911 but in 1901 there are two families in Alvaston as follows:
23 Oxford Street Boulton, Alvaston
William Jordan b1861 Moreton Cheshire Gas Works Labourer
Maria b 1860 Shropshire
Thomas son 1887 Birkenhead
Sarah E da 1889 Birkenhead
Maria da 1892 Moreton
William so 1898 Moreton
Harry so 1901 Alvaston
1901 at 326 Commerce St Crewton Alvaston
Samuel Jordan b 1870 Alvaston Railway Shop Clerk
Maria wife 1876 Derby
Harold so 1899 Crewton
There is also a mar of Maria Jordan to Isaac J Howarth 3rd qtr 1918 Shardlow district and a bp of Maria Jordan 1st qtr 1846 Shardlow.
Hope this may be helpful.
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Good finds.
1901 at 326 Commerce St Crewton Alvaston
Samuel Jordan b 1870 Alvaston Railway Shop Clerk
Maria wife 1876 Derby
Harold so 1899 Crewton
I suspect this Maria is a little young to be a grandmother of a child born 1910.
Where did Fanny die?
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Aha!! Bingo....
Derby Daily Telegraph 8 Feb 1910
Police News
Derby Borough Court
Maintenance - James Jordan, labourer, Eden Street, appeared on a warrant for non-payment of £3 3s being 18 weeks arrears under an affiliation order made Nov 30 to Mary Ellen Dawson. The case was adjourned for 4 weeks so that they might come to some arrangement.
Josey
PM me your email address Branching out & I will send you the article.
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I agree that Maria from 1878 would likely be too young, but the Maria from 1860 would be the age to become a grandmother when the child was born in 1909. Perhaps they had a child named James?
Thanks
Rodney