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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Inverness => Topic started by: Artsangelssheila on Monday 06 April 15 20:16 BST (UK)
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Hi all! I am so confused. My husbands great grandmother listed her place of birth as Inverness-shire, Scotland on her 1881, 91, 1901, and 1911 England census. The only Scottish record I can find of her is the 1871 census where she is listed as a servant. She lists her birth as Inverness, Argyllsh. I have pored over old maps and can not find Argyllsh!? I can also find no listing of her birth or any record of her in the 1861 Scottish census. I know her father's name was Alexander Scott and that he was a farmer/farm hand. I have checked Scotland's People's website. Again nothing. Any ideas? Thanks so much. Sheila
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This looks like an abbreviation of Argyllshire, which is a different county to Inverness-shire.
What was her name, please. You have given her father's, but she remains anonymous ;) And when was she born?
Nell
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Oops! I put it in the title :o Christina Scott born 1856 (abt) father Alexander Scott, mother's maiden name might have been Cameron. Perhaps a section of Inverness-shire has changed boundaries and is now part of argyllsh ire? Thank you. Sheila
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Silly me ::) - of course it's in the title!
As you say, nothing obvious stands out at the moment. Where does the Cameron idea come from?
Nell
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Christina's marriage certificate (in London) to Innes Reid Murray lists Mary Cameron as a witness. I also found a 1861 Scottish census that lists a Christina Scott living with her grandmother, Margaret Cameron, in Kilmalie, Argyle in a place called Muirshcorlich. It's very close to the inverness-shire border. Probably just a coincidence ;D
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I don't think it's a coincidence as Kilmallie straddles Inverness & Argyll.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/ARL/Kilmallie/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muirshearlich
Still time to collect FREE CREDS for SP for some research (ends tonight) ;D
She is/was not recorded as Christina Scott on SP in either district nor recorded with initial "C" or "K" which would make me assume her parents were not married & I couldn't find a marriage in either district from 1855.
Have you looked for her possible grandmother in earlier census' to ascertain a candidate for her mother ???
Anne Marie
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Muirshearlich.
With a name like Scott her folk possibly came up from the Borders as post-clearance shepherds.
Skoosh.
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I have done a few searches.............seems the entries for Kilmallie are under both Argyll/Inverness as both brought up same amount of matches on each search I did ???
There's a Christina Cameron born 1856 showing both districts ;D
Anne Marie
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Skoosh,
Christina's marriage in 1887 states father Alexander Scott, Farmer, Deceased ???
Now Sheila......this could of course be untrue.......but equally it may also be true ???
I'm just thinking no marriage in Scotland so maybe a tale of where daddy was ??? :P
They may have married elsewhere though ???
Anne Marie
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Christina's marriage certificate (in London) to Innes Reid Murray lists Mary Cameron as a witness.
It also states a Kenneth Sinclair Murray as a witness which may have been Mary's partner/future hubby at the time so worth checking out the name as it's not run-of-the mill :-\
Anne Marie
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Wow! Such great suggestions. I have looked back at the Grandmother's Margaret Cameron's earlier census reports but can not find a daughter that matches up. I do find a Alexander Scott, shepherd, who was born in Kilmonivaig, Inverness-shire. He lives with his parents both in Kilmonivaig and Glengarry. His Dad is also a shepherd. In Christina Scott's marriage license she lists Alexander Scott as being a farmer...is a shepherd considered a close enough occupation?
Finally, Kenneth Sinclair Murray is the first cousin of Innes Reid Murray. (Christina's husband) I can find no record of him marrying Mary Cameron - the other witness.
Perhaps Christina's parents did not marry...but...there is an older brother Alexander Scott who was also listed in the 1861 census as living with the grandmother. He was born about 1854. Common name and I've not found anything promising on Scotland's People. Yikes. ??? Any other ideas? Sheila
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Some shepherds were allowed their own small flock of sheep or a few cows, in addition he would have to cut hay, grow some spuds & maybe oats, so he is a farmer/shepherd. It depends on the size of the estate etc'.
Skoosh.
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there is an older brother Alexander Scott who was also listed in the 1861 census as living with the grandmother. He was born about 1854.
There is an Alexander Cameron b1854 Kilmallie, Argyll (only 1) so looks promising as date fits census info. & The Christina Cameron b1856, Kilmallie, Argyll fits census info. i.e. both worth a look.
I wonder if Christina's grandfather was Alexander ??? Was Margaret Cameron a widow in 1861 & where did it state she was born ???
Doing a process of elimination ;D
Anne Marie
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Skoosh and Anne Marie, thank you for all your input. I've gone back thru the earlier census. I think that perhaps the mother of Christina and Alexander was from a previous marriage of Alexander Cameron and not with Margaret Cameron. I noticed that there is a 20 year difference in their ages. I did find a marriage record on SP for Feb 1838 between an Alexander Cameron and a Margaret Cameron (no maiden name listed) Their first children were twin boys, Ewan and Angus born in 1839. In the 1841 census it shows a 16 year old son, Alexander Cameron...and then the 2 year old twin boys.
Both Alexander Cameron (b Abt 1781) and Margaret Cameron (b Abt 1801) were born in Kilmallie, Argyll. On another interesting note, and perhaps a mistake, I noticed that Alexander Scott, listed as a grandchild in the Cameron 1861 census, is listed as a girl. Could a little girl have been named Alexander? My next plan of attack is to look to see if I can find a record of a Christina Cameron who might have been the first wife of Alexander Cameron.
Any other ideas would be welcome :D Sheila
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Christina's marriage in 1887 states father Alexander Scott, Farmer, Deceased ???
Can you please post any info. you have with names & dates to save "double trouble"
I do find a Alexander Scott, shepherd, who was born in Kilmonivaig, Inverness-shire, lives with his parents both in Kilmonivaig and Glengarry. His Dad is also a shepherd.
When was this Alexander born, what was his mother's name & do you know his mother's m/s as it may help to locate his death cert. ???
Which census yrs is Alexander with parent's in Kilmonivaig & Glengarry.
There are 4 deaths on SP (Argyll) & 2 (Inverness) for Alexander Scott 1855 - 1887 (yr Christina married). I didn't check for ages though.
None are in the Kimonivaig/Kilmallie/Lochaber/Glengarry districts which were the areas found in your research so he may have been on a farm in another area :-\
This in turn may provide details of his marriage to Christina & Alexander's mother ???
Anne Marie
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I did find a marriage record on SP for Feb 1838 between an Alexander Cameron and a Margaret Cameron (no maiden name listed)
I noticed that Alexander Scott, 1861 census, is listed as a girl. Could a little girl have been named Alexander?
Her maiden name would have been Cameron.
I noticed that on the transcription of Alexander but looks to be an error as there were no females "Scott" born that period Inverness/Argyll with name beginning Alex................as in Alexanderina, Alexina etc.
Anne Marie
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Anne Marie! Thank you so much for all your sleuthing. Here's what I've found so far.
Alexander Scott B. 1 Feb 1831, Baptized 3 Feb 1831, Kilmonivaig, Inverness-shire. Parents John Scott and Isabella McDonell
1841 census address Glendomor. Dads occupation as sheperd. 6 children listed.
1851 Alex Scott is visitor in Borlum. Occupation Sheperd
1861 Address Letterfern. Living with his parents. Occupation Shepherd
1871 Address Letterfern. Living with mother only. Occupation Shepherd
1881 Address Letterfern. No parents. Occupation Sheperd
I found Alexander Scott's death cert on SP. He died 10 Sept 1899 in Cullochy, Fort Augustus.
His occupation was farmer. He is listed as single. His mother's maiden name was McDonell and his dad John was a Shepherd. Hugh MacDonald, nephew on the maternal side was the informant.
I am hoping that this is the correct Alexander Scott. He is the only one who fits the occupation/age in the Inverness-shire area,but, unless I can link him to his daughter Christina Scott ::) :P :-[ thanks again for the help and suggestions. Sheila
BTW, I found a marriage record for an Alexander Cameron to a Christy MacMillan 18 Jan 1810 in Aharacle, Argyll. This might be the marriage before Margaret and the reason for Christina Scotts name.
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I found Alexander Scott's death cert, died 10 Sept 1899 in Cullochy, Fort Augustus.
His occupation was farmer. He is listed as single. His mother's maiden name was McDonell and his dad John was a Shepherd. Hugh MacDonald, nephew on the maternal side was the informant.
Is this the same Alexander Scott (father of Christina) who was already deceased when she married in 1887 ???
Anne Marie
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Sheila, I think the Glendomor is Glendoemor, there is a Glendoebeg (small) so there must be a Glendoemor (big), Glendoe Forest is just north of Cullachy Forest, the laird was Lovat. Letterfearn is on the east bank of Loch Oich south of Cullachy, also Lovat I think, and Borlum is between Cullachy & Glendoe, adjacent to Fort Augustus.
Skoosh.
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Yes, she lists him as deceased on her wedding certificate, but, I expanded my search because Skoosh suggested that sometimes a family member can be listed as dead if he's not been part of the children's upbringing.
???Sheila
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Oops, having trouble with my computer this morning...need more coffee! Didn't mean to send that incomplete response ;)
Thank you Skoosh for the geographical information. I'm working from a map and the Internet and many of the places are not easily found.
And Ann Marie, you can see why the family has always hit a "brick wall" when trying to research Christina Scott. On a positive note though, the Alexander Scott I've been researching is the only Alexander Scott who fits the profile and lives in the Invernessshire/Agryll-shire areas.
Crossing my fingers and sipping another cup of coffee!
Thanks again. Sheila
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Yes, she lists him as deceased on her wedding certificate
I did say earlier.....
Christina's marriage in 1887 states father Alexander Scott, Farmer, Deceased ???
Now Sheila......this could of course be untrue.......but equally it may also be true ???
I'm just thinking no marriage in Scotland so maybe a tale of where daddy was ??? :P
I have searched SP for a birth for Christina with surname Scott & as it was STATUTORY (LAW) from 1855 she must have a different surname when registered or.............born in one of these districts as this is the list for all of Scotland 1855 - 1858
1855 SCOTT CHRISTIAN CRAIL LANDWARD /FIFE 417/02 0019
1855 SCOTT CHRISTIAN KEMBACK /FIFE 433/00 0010
1856 SCOTT CHRISTIAN CUPAR BURGH /FIFE 420/01 0149
1855 SCOTT CHRISTINA DALGETTY /FIFE 422/00 0024
1855 SCOTT CHRISTINA BANFF BURGH /BANFF 147/01 0071
1855 SCOTT CHRISTINA MONTROSE BURGH /ANGUS 312/01 0366
1855 SCOTT CHRISTINA HAMILTON BURGH /LANARK 647/01 0229
1855 SCOTT CHRISTINA HAMILTON LANDWARD /LANARK 647/02 0016
1855 SCOTT CHRISTINA OLD MONKLAND (EASTERN DISTRICT) /LANARK 652/03 0341
1856 SCOTT CHRISTINA HAMILTON LANDWARD /LANARK 647/02 0044
1856 SCOTT CHRISTINA BOWDEN /ROXBURGH 783/00 0018
1856 SCOTT CHRISTINA ASHKIRK /SELKIRK 781/00 0004
1857 SCOTT CHRISTINA ORWELL /KINROSS 463/00 0067
1857 SCOTT CHRISTINA STICHELL /ROXBURGH 808/00 0001
1857 SCOTT CHRISTINA GREENOCK OLD OR WEST /RENFREW 564/03 0819
1857 SCOTT CHRISTINA NEWBATTLE /MIDLOTHIAN 695/00 0006
1857 SCOTT CHRISTINA DEAN, BOROUGHMUIRHEAD AND MORNINGSI EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/01 0281
1857 SCOTT CHRISTINA ANCRUM /ROXBURGH 780/00 0021
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA FRASERBURGH /ABERDEEN 196/00 0089
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA HIGH CHURCH GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/02 1865
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA PERTH BURGH /PERTH 387/01 0318
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA KELSO /ROXBURGH 793/00 0099
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA DUNDEE FIRST DISTRICT DUNDEE CITY/ANGUS 282/01 0862
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA HUTCHESONTOWN GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/10 0245
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA TENANDRY /PERTH 394/0B 0008
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA TRANENT /EAST LOTHIAN 722/00 0052
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA MINTO /ROXBURGH 800/00 0002
1857 SCOTT CHRISTINA BLACK AIRDRIE OR NEW MONKLAND /LANARK 651/01 0007
1856 SCOTT CHRISTINA DONAL STOBO /PEEBLES 770/00 0005
1857 SCOTT CHRISTINA ELDER CALTON AND BONNINGTON EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/06 0004
1856 SCOTT CHRISTINA ELIZA STRICHEN /ABERDEEN 241/00 0036
1855 SCOTT CHRISTINA GRIEV HADDINGTON BURGH /EAST LOTHIAN 709/01 0039
1855 SCOTT CHRISTINA GRIEV OLDHAMSTOCKS /EAST LOTHIAN 714/00 0007
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA JANE CAPUTH /PERTH 337/00 0046
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA JANE MILTON GLASGOW CITY/LANARK 644/07 0128
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA PHILL DUDDINGSTON AND PORTOBELLO EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 684/01 0019
1856 SCOTT CHRISTINA TART CALTON AND BONNINGTON EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/06 0351
1858 SCOTT CHRISTINA TODD HOLYROOD AND CANONGATE EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/05 0200
1855 SCOTT ELIZABETH CHALM JEDBURGH BURGH /ROXBURGH 792/01 0096
1856 SCOTT ISABELLA CHEVES LONGSIDE /ABERDEEN 218/00 0020
1855 SCOTT JANET CHALMERS GREENOCK OLD OR WEST /RENFREW 564/03 0349
1858 SCOTT MARY CHRISTINA CRAMOND EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 679/00 001
Anne Marie
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Ann Marie, Thank you! I will go thru the list and see if anything matches up.
BTW the Christina Cameron that looked promising in SP (as well as brother Alexander Cameron) had the wrong father.
Sheila
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Sorry Sheila, the births were wrong but sure was worth a look as I couldn't find any births for either in that area with the dates corresponding under the name Scott :-[
Anne Marie
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Blimey! Finally! I found Christina Scott's parents marriage record AND a couple of years of census records. She was legitimate..just way older than I was told (and the English census records showed).
The final clue was a copy of an old will from 1875 that I found tucked into a box of travel souvenirs from my Dad's trip to England to visit his brother.
Christina's parents were Alexander Scott and Jane McMillin (Macmillan), both were born and married in Urquhart, Invernesshire. Christina was born in abt 1848 in Kiltartlity, Invernesshire. Still looking for her birth record. I know that Alexander Scott's parents were Donal Scott and Margaret Munro. Jane's dad was William McMillan...and I think her mom was a Chisholm...just have to confirm by finding Christina's birth record. She had lots of siblings so I think it will help me find more about her.
Anyway, THANK YOU all who wrote earlier trying to help me out. I so appreciate it! Happy Thanksgiving from California. Sheila ;D