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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Glaves on Wednesday 08 April 15 14:26 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I'm researching the Agnew line of my family tree and it has taken me to Kilkeel. I have an ancestor named Rachel Agnew b.abt 1864 and whose parents I believe to be Shaw Agnew (b.abt 1817, d.1879 Ireland.) and Eliza Newell.
Ireland, Select Births and Baptisms, 1620-1911
Rachel Agnew
Father Shaw Agnew
Mother Eliza Newell
Birth 19 Aug 1864 - Kilkeel, Down, Ireland
Apart from the above and the Griffiths evaluation I can't find any sign of a Shaw Agnew until the record of his death. I am struggling to move this line any further back. Would anyone be able to find anything else on Shaw or who his parents were please?
Thankyou in advance
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Hi,
Another birth registered in Kilkeel. Ellen Agnew born 18 Aug 1868. father Shaw Agnew, mother Elizabeth Newell.
Regards
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Thankyou, would they use a mothers maiden name in the birth record? I cannot find a record of their marriage, would you suggest this is because it is early to mid 18th century?
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Not sure I understand your last post but the mother of both Rachel and Ellen is called Elizabeth Newell.
Have you tried searching for marriages with the name Elizabeth Newell? (there are a few in the Kilkeel district)
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Have you seen http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/kilkeel-parish.php#.VSV2JkuDoYU
There is a possibility that Shaw Agnew of Kilkeel might be a son of one of these Agnew listed as householders land was at least one acre
Agnew, George Townland: Glenloughan Year: 1830
Agnew, James Townland: Ballinran Year: 1830
Agnew, James Townland: Ballymaderphy Year: 1830
Agnew, James Townland: Moneydaraghmore Year: 1830
Agnew, John Townland: Glenloughan Year: 1830
Aiken, John Townland: Magheramurphy Year: 1830
Aiken, Robert Townland: Magheramurphy Year: 1830
Looking for Shaw, just produced
Russell, Shaw Townland: Moneydaraghmore Year: 1830
The Newalls include
Newall, Alexander Townland: Moneydaraghmore Year: 1830
Newall, Archibald Townland: Ballykeel Year: 1830
Newall, David Townland: Ballykeel Year: 1830
Newall, Francis Townland: Aughiochal Year: 1830
Newall, James Townland: Ballykeel Year: 1830
Newall, James Townland: Ballymaderphy Year: 1830
Newall, James Townland: Lisnacree Year: 1830
Newall, John Townland: Ballykeel Year: 1830
Newall, John Townland: Drummond Year: 1830
Newall, John Townland: Drummondoney Year: 1830
Newall, Richard Townland: Glassdrummond Year: 1830
Newall, Robert Townland: Glassdrummond Year: 1830
Newall, Widow Betty Jane Townland: Ballykeel Year: 1830
Newall, Widow Jane Townland: Ballykeel Year: 1830
Newall, William Townland: Aughiochal Year: 1830
Newall, William Townland: Ballykeel Year: 1830 Notes: Bank
Newall, William Townland: Drummond Year: 1830
Newall, William Townland: Glassdrummond Year: 1830
Newall, William, Jr. Townland: Ballykeel Year: 1830
Newall, William, Sr. Townland: Ballykeel Year: 1830
Griffiths valuation comes with the primary valuation done in 1863 if you want more than index entries you need http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ which reproduces the book entry and has maps!! Showing homesteads then thereafter the PRONI extends the valuation and will cover up to about 1921, it should show who took over Shaws homestead at the time of his death .
My broadband is acting up tonight but I am used to getting more clues from clumps of family name as you have surrounding Shaw who must be relatives in 1863.
In the 1901 census you have 33 Agnews living in the DED Mullarton including a John
Agnew John 94 Male Head of Family Presbyterian County Down Farmer Read - Widower living with sons and daughters at 21 in Moneydorraghmore Upper (Mullarton, Down) also several Elizabeths one of whom could be the widow of Shaw?
So I am closing down, hope some of this moves you on abit JimG
ancestryireland was where Iwas going to look for the marriage
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Thankyou so much, My family come from Hull, Yorkshire and I think Rachel Agnew and Ellen Agnew both move to York as I found them both there.
I will look into the information you found as it all seems very plausible. Thank you so much for your help.
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I had quick look again this morning, Shaw Agnew lived on the remote edge of stone walled fields about over 750 feet above sea level along the edge of fields which run into the higher heather clad slopes of the Mourne Mountains, in particular Rocky mountain whose summit was to the NE of where they lived.
You also have a possible connection back to 1690 where Alexander AGNEW Kilkeel in the 1690s & 1715, leased Moneydarraghmore townland with John Kennedy & Pat McNight for £7.10.0 from Lord Nicholas Bagenal BMR; MO 5/8/2009 p6 source http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/SURNAMES/A/AbAg.htm#ag
I didnt find Shaw's marriage on familysearch, ancestryireland or Emerald ancestors
Have fun and visit the area JimG
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Thankyou so much for all your help. I showed what I've found so far to my mum (who's the original Agnew) and she has found it very interesting. All good fun. Many thanks.
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I HAVE A 2ND GREAT AUNT, ELLEN NEWELL, BORN APPROX 1850 WHO MARRIED A FRANCIS AGNEW ON 18/1/1869 IN ANNALONG PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH. ELLEN BORN IN MONEYDARRAGHMORE UPPER. MANY AGNEWS IN SAME TOWNLAND. MAYBE SAME. JAMES
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Welcome James1066, every possibility you could be right, which would be great news.Church records are the most hopeful source as you will find. Three Francis entries below
Moneydorragh Upper 0r Moneydorragh More Upper I think is the townland above Moneydorragh More ie includes mountain tops. when you look up the printed book version for townland Moneydorragh More in Griffiths valuation the list starts with map references
1A Hugh Agnew
1B Hugh Agnew All three High entries bracket ed together as ‘a’
2 Hugh Agnew
Hugh has 3 plots of land, 1A= 3 acres, 1B=7 acres, 2= one acre equals
13 acres and a modest house valued at ten shillings pa
3 Francis Agnew has 24 acres and a modest house valued at fifteen shillings pa
4 Shaw Agnew has 2 acres and a modest house valued at ten shillings pa
a James Agnew took over Shaws property in 1885 see PRONI continuation sheets
5 John Agnew has 17 +12 acres and a modest house valued at fifteen shillings pa
these properties are all outside the village of Annalong itself. they are perched just above head road about 2 and half miles northwest of Annalong, roughly amongstwhere heather and stoney land takes over from poor pasture as their land valuation reflects. By going to satellite view and clicking on head road it will open with a small icon which if clicked should open on https://www.google.com/maps/@54.1267078,-5.9506589,3a,75y,4.98h,31.05t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEiXz3Gdmp19X-tW4rTuBZA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656 reduce the magnification you will see opening going further NW away from Annalong the western side unmarked leads to one of the listed properties but the overall view is much devevelopment of buildings have taken place.
So we have 4 Agnews but no knowledge who is related to who , but they must be close to one genneration
Rose Davies http://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/A/AbAg.htm#aggives more Agnews of kilkell parish than thedse selected below
Francis AGNEW . Kilkeel of Magheramurphy; husband of Margaret Craig ; father of James b. 11 Dec & bpt. 21 Dec 1842 at Mourne Presbyterian Church PR
Francis AGNEW . Kilkeel son of Francis Agnew ; married Ellen Newell 18 Jan 1869 CR
Hugh AGNEW . Kilkeel husband of Elizabeth Skillen; father of William b. 13 Jun 1868 CR
John AGNEW . Kilkeel of Moneydarragh; husband of Sarah McKibbin; father of James b. 19 Aug & bpt. 2 Sep 1840 at Mourn e Presbyterian Church & Adam b. 24 Oct & bpt. 26 Oct 1843 & Sarah b. 24 Jun & bpt. 5 Jul 1849 at Annalong Presbyterian Church PR
Sally AGNEW . Kilkeel wife of James Mitchell of Glenloughan ; mother of James b. 11 Jul & bpt. 19 Aug 1840 & Alexander b. 26 Dec 1843 & bpt. 10 Jan 1844 at Mourne Presbyterian Church PR
Miss Sarah AGNEW . Kilkeel wife of Henry Cousins of Moneydarragh; mother of Jane b. 3 May & bpt. 28 May 1841 & Rachel b. 18 Jan & bpt. 1 Feb 1844 at Annalong Presbyterian Church PR
Miss Sarah AGNEW . Knockbreda regd. Ballymacarrett; wife of William Bowes; mother of Francis b. 1868 CR
Miss Sarah AGNEW . Knockbreda regd. Castlereagh; mother of John Campbell Agnew b. 14 May 1872 CR
Shaw AGNEW . Kilkeel husband of Elizabeth Newell; father of Ellen b. 18 Apr 1868 CR
William AGNEW . Kilkeel of Ballymaderfy ; a freehold farmer 15 Jan 1782 & 13 Jan 1788 HOTC p248,260
William AGNEW . Kilkeel of Glenloughan ; leased land 26 Jan 1789 FR/HOTC p256
.William AGNEW . Kilkeel a flax farmer; granted a spinning wheel premium in 1796 HOTC p147
William AGNEW . Kilkeel of Maghery; husband of Eliza Jane Annett; father of William John b. 13 Aug & bpt. 12 Oct 1876 at Mourne Presbyterian Church PR
Moving to familysearch.org Shaw and Elizabeth’s daughters are listed
Rachel Agnew b 19 Aug 1864 Birthplace:ie registration 0514,Kilkeel,Down,Ireland
Ellen Agnew b 18 Apr 1868 Birthplace:ie registration Down,Ireland
as is common in familysearch Spouse in both cases cited as Elizabeth Newell Does not mean not married.
in 1891 a Rachel Agnew is a cook in Coney St Guildhall Ward York, The only Rachel marriage I could find https://www.freebmd.org.uk was in1895 to either or a
Eason William Bridlington 9d 665
Farthing Robert Morris Bridlington 9d 665
I don’t think she married either of them so red herring but as close as 24 miles from Hull
I think Ellen Agnew may have married Charles Atkinson in 1889 see https://www.freebmd.org.uk a railway guard in 1891 census Charles and his younger wife Ellen b 1861 Ireland but Co Antrim , however has a nephew Harry Agnew staying with them b 1888 aged 3 .