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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Waterford => Topic started by: janneymc on Friday 10 April 15 00:12 BST (UK)
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Hi I live in Canada and am researching Patrick Broderick who was born about 1861 in Cappaquin Waterford according to his army records . I'd love to see a baptism for him as I don't know who his parents were. He married Anne Jane Butler in Dublin in 1881 and they had 21 children , one in Dublin, some born in India and some in Clonmel Tipperary where they returned about 1899. I don't know her parents either. I'd be very grateful for any help.
Many thanks,
Jan
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Their marriage which gives their parents names.
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/f4cf390085074
Also an image of the original
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1856-1888_ma_0556
Which gives his parents address as Cappaquin and He had permission to marry (from the army)
Aldershot is an Army base in England.
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You may have this already
1901 Census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Clonmel_East_Urban/Davis_Road/1710154/
Anne was born in New Zealand.
If you look at the original Patrick is crossed out as he is also listed on the Barracks return
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Thank you so much for those records . That's amazing!! I had seen the 1901 census but wasn't able to find Patrick on the army barracks list. How do you find that? Is there any way i could find the marriages of the parents of Ann and Patrick? I'm so grateful for your help.
Cheers
Jan
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This might be him
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f48/
As you can see they are only listed by initials so it's a bit hit and miss.
You were lucky they married in a part of Dublin which features on that free site.
You know where Patrick was from so you could wait until summer when (keeping fingers crossed) the National Library of Ireland are putting their images of parish records online, or you could try RootsIreland which is a pay site for Patrick's baptism (to get mother's maiden name) and his parents marriage.
As Anne Butler was born in New Zealand, I'm at a bit of a loss. FamilySearch perhaps.
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The New Zealand board right here is worth checking out of course http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=605197.0
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Hi, Many thanks for all your tips. I found Patrick on the barracks list you sent as a lance corporal occup groom. I checked the NZ BMDs but she doesn't appear there. However I've found her on the army returns births on findmypast. I think her father was in the irish army fighting in NZ in the 1860s. It's just an index so I'm not sure how you get the actual record. Any ideas?
Thank you so much for all your help. I'm really grateful.
Cheers
Jan
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Good find. That would be the British Army, most likely an Irish Regiment though.
According to this site the GRO
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/birthmarriagedeatharmedforces.htm
That's the British GRO of course.
https://www.gov.uk/order-copy-birth-death-marriage-certificate
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What year was the birth you found?
I'm just looking for Irish Regiments that served in New Zealand.
The 18th (Royal Irish) served there from 1863 to 70.
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1866 was the year she was born I think. The index for her was births in Wanganui 1860-67 and the source was GRO Army Chaplains Birth Indices 1796-1880 under the record set British Nationals armed forces births 1761-2005.
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Thanks for that info on the GRO and TNA :). I didn't see that yesterday. I'll follow up on that. I really appreciate your help on all this.
Cheers
Jan
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Census of 1911 Patrick Broderick Army Pensioner living with family at 59 Kickham Street, Tipperary
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Yes thank you , that's the right one.
Cheers
Jan
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Hello
Patrick and Anne Jane Broderick were my Great Grandparents. I am just starting to research my family history. My mother lived with them in London up until the 1930s, I think. Her mother was the Agnes that appears on the census entries. She has told me much the same as you have said about India and New Zealand. I wondered if you have any more info that might help me get started. Thanks.
Peter Yates.
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Hi Peter, Lovely to hear from you. Not sure who you mean as Agnes. What was your mother`s name. If you send me your email address I can email you my information as I`ve collected quite a bit on this family.
Cheers
Jan
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hi Jan. My mother's name is Rachel Yates nee Collins. Her mother was Agnes Collins nee Broderick. She was the newlyborn on the 1901 census entry for Patrick and Anne Jane in Clonmel. My Email is (*). Anything you could send me would be most appreciated. I'm beginning to realise how difficult this family history business is! Thanks for your help and for replying to my post.
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HI Peter, great . Yes I see Agnes on the census. My soninlaw is a descendant of Joseph Broderick and older brother of your Agnes. Are you a member of ancestry? I can send you an invite to my tree on that if you'd like me to and then you'll be able to see all the records I've attached to this family. What do you have on this family to date so I don't inundate you with too much?
Cheers
Jan
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Hi Jan. Yes, I think my Mum has spoken about her Uncles Matty and Joe, also Auntie Bella. In fact she maintains that there were 24 of them. She's 95 now, and doen't always bother to distinguish between fact and imagination. I knew Gertie (1911 census). She lived in Clapton, East London, when I was a kid. She was a very tiny person and quite a character. Patrick and Anne lived in Haberdasher St, Hoxton, London. I think he worked in the Post Office, even though he was retired. He died from a fall, probably when my mum was young, in the 30s. Anne died in 1951. My grandmother came to london to work in service when she was about 18. I guess her parents must have joined her when the Irish Republic came into being. I think men who had served in the British arny might have face quite a hard time then. I don't have much else I'm afraid. Your thread has given substance to my anecdotes. I will join Ancestry tomorrow and let you know. Thanks again for all of this info. Peter.
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That's very interesting Peter. I emailed you a couple of documents to the email you gave me. Did you get those ok? You don't have to join ancestry for me to invite you to see my tree actually though it is a good one for researching families. I'll be in touch tomorrow.
Jan
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noticed that the witnesses at Patrick Broderick's marriage were James and Maria Power
possibly
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hdl/
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01hdm/
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yes , thank you so much . This is the same family. Much appreciated.
Jan