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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wicklow => Topic started by: bettyrubble on Monday 13 April 15 13:28 BST (UK)
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Can anybody help me with the lookup of children for Robert Boyd 1857 and Mary Ann Lawless ( no date of birth sorry) for the wicklow area. Thankyou
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The Irish 1901 and 1911 census is free here and there is only one entry in Wicklow in 1901 that fits the profile
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/
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John 1878
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5RG-T7J
Mary 1880
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGLJ-NBY
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Thankyou. So they only had the two children?
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Have you looked at the 1901 census entry?
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Hi Carole i cant find anything on there
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There is only one 1901 entry in Wicklow for a Robert & Mary Boyd
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Bray/Newtownvevay/1811849/
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12 born 8 alive
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003637487/
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The daughter Maggie filled out the 1901 census thats why the rest are recorded as sisters
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Thankyou. Im getting better but not as great searching the cencus, maybe im doing it wrong
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What is the best way how to find husbands and wifes for these children. Where is the best place to look? Thanks
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Hilda's birth
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/a717471343759
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possible marriage for Sarah
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/5908f16153162
Abraham in 1911 ?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Ballinguile/Rathcoyle_Upper/889771/
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There is also this Sara Boyd in Wicklow in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Ballinglen/Drummin/900175/
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Hi her dad was called Joseph so not the one
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Sarahs parents were called Robert Boyd and Mary Ann Lawless. Ive tried on roots ireland but nothing at all
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Hi Betty,
All Robert and Mary's children appear to be born in Rathdown registration district (R.D.) of Wicklow. The one's we know of from the censuses and FamilySearch baptisms:
- John, b. 15 Jun 1878
- Mary, b. 13 Aug 1880
- Margaret, b. 1884
- Thomas, b. 1886
- Catherine, b. 1891
- Sarah, b. 1896
- Ellen, b. 1898
- Hilda Maria, b. 11 Oct 1900
We know they had twelve children, eight of whom were still living in 1911 (5 at home, leaving 3 out in the world somewhere). John is probably this fellow - http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No__2/Sidmonton_Avenue/892109/ - living with his wife Ellen Mary (née Coe), who he married in 1904 in Rathdown R.D.
The four remaining children are likely to have died young. I've been through the births and deaths registered in Rathdown district between 1877 (the year of Robert & Mary's marriage) and 1901 and found a few possibilities for their missing children:
- 'Male', b. 1878, d. 1878
- Agnes, b. 1879, d. 1879
- Philomena, b. 1879, d. 1885
- Ellen, b. 1881, d. 1881
- John James, b. 1887, d. 1887
- William, b. 1889, d. 1894
- Alfred Leo, b. 1888, d. 1888
- James, b. 1891, d. 1892
- William Joseph, b. 1894, d. 1894
Given the 'Male' Boyd and James Boyd were born the same years as known children of Robert and Mary, we can rule those out, leaving seven possibilities. Unfortunately, I can't whittle the list down any further from just the civil indices, so unless you purchase the certificates it's unlikely you'll know for sure which kids belong to your couple.
FYI, there's a Robert Boyd d. 1923 aged 61 registered in Rathdown, putting his birth c.1862 - a little out for your Robert, but that's not uncommon. Similarly, there's a Mary Boyd, d. 1919 aged 53 (b. c.1866), which may be his wife.
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Thankyou very much Toban
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You may also be interested to know the father, Robert, did a stint in prison for assault before he married:
Irish Prison Registers:
WICKLOW GAOL, 1877
Page 369, No. 166
Name: Robert Boyd
Age: 19
Act under which Tried: M.S.
Crime of which Convicted: Assaulted Edward and Eliza Broderick at Kilruddery
Court where Tried, or by whom Committed: Phineas Riall, Esq., 7th July
Before whom and where Tried: Magistrates, 7th July, Bray
Verdict and Sentence: Ordered to be Imprisoned for two calendar months with hard labour
When discharged: 6th Sept. 1877
DESCRIPTION
Height: 5'8''
Eye Colour: Brown
Hair Colour: Sandy
Complexion: Fresh
Education: Can read and write
Religion: —
State of Family, Native Place, and Occupation: Single, Bray, Fisherman
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Oh dear. I shall write that down. Thanks
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An account of the incident was published in Freeman's Journal on 9 Jul 1877:
BRAY PETTY SESSIONS
Messrs. Phineas Riall, D.L.; W. LaTouche, D.L.; R. R. Wingfield, H. Sandys, and S. Hanna, R.M., presided on Saturday in the Courthouse, Bray, for the disposal of business of the petty sessions. A young man named Robert Boyd was prosecuted by the police for having assaulted Edward Broderich and his wife at Windgate, on the evening of the 30th ult. It appeared that both the parties were on their way home, and Boyd asked complainant to give him a lift in his cart. Brodereick refused to do so, but the defendant got into the cart. The complainant then endeavoured to get him out, upon which Boyd assaulted him, and also his wife. The defendant was ordered to be imprisoned for two months and kept to hard labour.
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I'm amazed you have found all this out. I'm better than I was at searching but not great