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Title: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: ManU on Wednesday 15 April 15 10:23 BST (UK)
Hi
Looking for a marriage for Fred Eric Pugh born 1893 to a Mary Jane? (Polly) Unknown
she had a sister Emily Maderley but don't know if that was her married or maiden name
assuming Fred & Mary married around 1903 onwards
Somewhere near Loppington ??? ???
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 15 April 15 10:47 BST (UK)
Hi,

I've not found a marriage but his entry in the National Probate Calendar (1965) gives probate to Robert Pugh, farmer and Emily Madeley, widow.   So if that is the same person Madeley is her married name.


Nanny Jan
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: miriamkinga on Wednesday 15 April 15 10:48 BST (UK)
Hi ManU,

Sorry bit confused by your post.

Fred Eric Pugh is born 1893? He would only be 10 in 1903?

Whose marriage are you looking for? His mother Mary Jane?
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 15 April 15 10:58 BST (UK)
1903 marriage must be a mistake?

Possible marriage indexed as Frederic Pugh to Mary G Whittingham, Jun qtr 1932 Clun.
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: ManU on Wednesday 15 April 15 11:12 BST (UK)
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Sorry should have typed 1913
replying to Nanny Jan sounds as if you have the right emma will dig deeper thanks if I can find a marriage it will give me Mary Jane maiden name I hope
replying to avm228 Mary's graveheadstone says Mary Jame Pugh its not a great photo so I assumed it said Jane, it seems a bit late for a marriage in 1932 but will not discard at this stage
cheers to all
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 15 April 15 11:16 BST (UK)
She died as Mary Jane Pugh on 9 June 1956 at Loppington. Probate to Fred Eric Pugh and Robert Pugh, farmers.

Death reg details suggest she was 81 at death.  If so she was significantly older than Fred.
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: avm228 on Wednesday 15 April 15 11:19 BST (UK)
Have you traced births for any known children of the couple, to ascertain mother's maiden name?
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: ManU on Wednesday 15 April 15 11:23 BST (UK)
Hi AVM228
Not been successful but have found a marriage for Mary Janes sister Emily she married a Joseph Burden in 1927 so am in the process of checking that out - maybe the 1932 marriage is reasonable but will see what Burden throws up
cheers all from downunder :D :D
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: mosiefish on Wednesday 15 April 15 12:03 BST (UK)
I think Emily Pugh married  John Burden in 1909 and then a Joseph Madeley in 1927 and that Mary Jane Pugh was  Freds sister.

Mo
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 15 April 15 12:28 BST (UK)

The Mary Jane Pugh who died in 1956 is shown as a spinster.  Some online trees show her to be Fred Eric Pugh's sister, not wife.   


Nanny Jan
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: ManU on Wednesday 15 April 15 12:38 BST (UK)
HI all
At last some light at the end of the tunnel - never gave it a thought she was a sister not a wife - it all makes sense thanks guys

Emma nee Richards & Edward Pugh had at least 11 children, Hannah 1873, Mary (it appears this is Mary Jane) 1875, Joseph 1877, Edith 1880 she died March 1916, Francis 1882, another Mary but is not confirmed 1887, Arthur 1889, Charlie 1892, Fred Eric December qtr 1893 , George Arnold 1896 and Robert in 1900.

The next problem is where is Emily 1883 - Stop Press just found it FreeBMD Wem 6a Page 740 but no confirmation on mother
Title: Re: Fred Eric Pugh born 1893
Post by: nanny jan on Wednesday 15 April 15 12:54 BST (UK)

1891 census shows Edward and Emma with 6 children at home;  Joseph (1878), Edith (1880), Emily (1882), Francis (1884), Harry (1887) and Arthur  (1889).

Nanny Jan