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Hello,
Wonder if you could help, i'm trying to find John Aden Dace born Cheshire England 1907, he was born to Florence & John Dace. Florence died & John emigrated to the US with his new wife Lydia & his children from his 1st marriage, though the children appeared to have come across at separate times.
the children were Florence Eveline, Gladys Lavina, John Aden & Kenneth. Kenneth & John travelled over via Canada in 1914 via canada, John was listed as Aden. The family settled in Wayne Michigan. I can see Aden on the 1920 census as Alden Duce! There are 2 more Dace children born in the US, Vera & George. I find these in the 1930 census Lydia has remarried & is now a Stanberger/Stoneberger
I can not find Aden after 1920.
Thanks
Jackie
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The name Aden Dace shows up in a Lycoming College yearbook from 1923.
The same college's catalog lists Aden Dace as being from 97 Winona Ave., Highland Park, Michigan. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01f5p/ That appears to be the same address where his father was living, as noted on Gladys' 1922 passenger list.
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John Dace and Lydia who were married 12 Aug 1914 Highland Park, Michigan were divorced - decree date - 8 Dec 1925 - Libellant was wife - Grounds were Desertion/Extreme Cruelty/Non-Support. Alimony was granted. Number of children in family 2.
Sandra
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Thank you Ladies thats fabulous.
So i know he's still alive in 1923, i wonder why he disappears after then? When Gladys comes back to the UK in 1922 she stays with my 2 x great grandfather Aden Byrne at the Hollies Barrington (this was whom he was named after.
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Don't know if you are interested in the siblings. Here is Vera on the CA Death Index:
http://vitals.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ca/death/search.cgi
Vera Elsie Nance:
b: 5 Mar 1918
pob: Michigan
d: 21 Dec 1950
pod: San Bernardino County, CA
father's last name: Dace
mother's last name: Duke
Her husband:
Clifford A Nance
b: 17 Feb 1914
pob: Missouri
d: 11 Aug 1975
pod: San Bernardino County, CA
Lydia Duke Dace seems to have married John Lewis Stoneberger. His name is on the above CA Death Index:
John Lewis Stoneberger
b: 26 June 1874
pob: Illinois
d: 29 Apr 1953
pob: San Bernardino County, CA
Looks like brother, Kenneth, died in 1985. Have you tried to find an obit to see if John is mentioned?
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JKC1-FZD (Hillsborough County)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VVW7-7FH (Pasco County)
Kenneth Dace
b: 22 Jun 1910
d: 15 Mar 1985
pod: Riverview, Florida
card issued: Michigan
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I don't think this has been mentioned; could there be any connection:
John Dacey married Emily Baldos(?). John was of Detroit, Michigan, born England, age 19, Metal Finisher. Father was John and mother was Lydia Duke. Married 9 June 1934. In the presence of Frank Florek and Bernice Baldos. Clergyman was a Roman Catholic priest.
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Another possible marriage - Mr John Dacey born 1908 Michigan - Father John and Mother Florence Wareham. John aged 34 years. Spouse :- Helen Buczek aged 27 years.
Married 21 November 1942 - Detroit wayne Michigan.
Sandra
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Looked at this guy yesterday but wasn't sure :- John Dacey born 1909 England - Living Yacama Street Detroit, Wayne, Michigan wife a wife Grace aged 24 years and a daughter aged 1 year. Described as roomers with the Bower family. John has no occupation and Grace is a Comtometer Operator at automobile factory.
There is a divorce record for this couple - decree 19 th October 1942 Wayne Michigan. States they were married in Indiana 2 April 1938.
Sandra
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And yet another John Dacey
1940 Detroit Census
John Dacey, age 31, born England, married.
He was married and had one child. Since it is a "recent" record, I won't list their personal information.
They were living on Yacama Street and if it is googled, it appears to be in Highland, Michigan, not Detroit (perhaps a suburb of Detroit). It is about 3 1/2 miles away from the Winona address.
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You found it first, Sandra. Or I type more slowly. ;D
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I don't think this has been mentioned; could there be any connection:
John Dacey married Emily Baldos(?). John was of Detroit, Michigan, born England, age 19, Metal Finisher. Father was John and mother was Lydia Duke. Married 9 June 1934. In the presence of Frank Florek and Bernice Baldos. Clergyman was a Roman Catholic priest.
Hi Lisa,
This one shows as a divorce 22 October 1937 Wayne Michigan - Married 9 June 1934 - Number of children = 0 - Divorce granted to Emily Dacey. Cruelty and non-support :'(
Sandra
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Again thank you so much for this.
Could you think of any reason why Aden would disappear? Would he possibly have joined the military?
I think i have found his brother Kenneth Dace on the 1930 census, still living in Wayne Michigan, the year of birth is correct though he states that he was born in Tennessee, he is a lodger living with Cora Croft & Jeanie Coatsworth, It could be a coincidence?? Also mention of a marriage to Winifred Brebeau in Michigan but i can't see the details.
Ok while i was typing there was new replies! :)
So he was born John Aden Dace to Florence Warham & John Dace born 1907. That sounds like it could be a good match, though why the name change John, Aden, then John & changing the surname to Dacey?? Also saying he was born in the states. As i mentioned above i think his brother did the same. Would they have had better prospects if they said this? I know Aden's uncles father did the same he was born in Ireland but claimed he was born in Liverpool as the irish were not held in great esteem.
Thanks for you help
Jackie x
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Dearborn US City Directories 1946 - John A Dacey (Helen Dacey) - acct - 6036 Mead
Dearborn, Michigan, City Directory 1948 - John A Dacey (Helen) + Badalament Inc (det) h 7730 Bingham.
Sandra
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Dearborn, Michigan, City Directory, 1958 - John A Dacey (Helen) - slsmn - Relaxco - h 4667 Firestone
Dearborn, Michigan, City Directory, 1959 - John A D acey (Helen) - slsmn - Relaxco - h 4667 Firestone
Sandra
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Helen Dacey - 15 September 1915 - 7 June 1998 - Last Residence - 48076 Southfield, Oakland, Michigan. SSN issued - Michigan (Before 1951)
Sandra
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Possible for John Dacey - 20 October 1907 - passed away February 1974 - Last Residence 33580 Sarasota, Sarasota, Florida. SSN issued Michigan (Before 1951)
An exact birth date would be needed to verify.
Sandra
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Again thank you so much for this.
Could you think of any reason why Aden would disappear? Would he possibly have joined the military?
I think i have found his brother Kenneth Dace on the 1930 census, still living in Wayne Michigan, the year of birth is correct though he states that he was born in Tennessee, he is a lodger living with Cora Croft & Jeanie Coatsworth, It could be a coincidence?? Also mention of a marriage to Winifred Brebeau in Michigan but i can't see the details.
Thanks for you help
Jackie x
Mr Kenneth Dace - born 1910 England married 13 July 1935 - Highland Park, Wayne, Michigan.
Father John and Mother Maiden Name Eva ??? Occupation:=- Janitor. Spouse Winifred Brabeau aged 22 years - Father - Edward Mother Ethel Sulowa. Witnesses :- Bruce Edward Babeau and Atheline Margaret Thomas.
Sandra
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Either a Dacey John Aden or John Aden Dacey (depending upon which site is referenced) had a patent for a therapeutic device. He was of Detroit, Michigan. Dated 1954 and 1957.
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Possible for wife of Kenneth Dace -
Winifred Dace - 22 September 1912 - passed away 12 September 1988 - Last Residence: 34668 Port Richey, Pasco, Florida. SSN issued - Michigan (Before 1951)
Sandra
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So he was born John Aden Dace to Florence Warham & John Dace born 1907. That sounds like it could be a good match, though why the name change John, Aden, then John & changing the surname to Dacey?? Also saying he was born in the states. As i mentioned above i think his brother did the same. Would they have had better prospects if they said this? I know Aden's uncles father did the same he was born in Ireland but claimed he was born in Liverpool as the irish were not held in great esteem
I know quite a few people who use their middle names, rather than their first names. I've never asked why they chose to do this. I also have several family members who have done the same. Their middle names were easier to understand, they liked them better, they were more unique.
He may have had better job prospects if he said he was born in the states. Someone may have given the information for him, thinking he was born in the states. If he came over when he was a child, he may have lost quite a bit of his accent or intentionally tried to sound American.
Dace/Dacey: Is is pronounced like ace with a d in front, or is it similar to lacy?
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Gladys Lavina Dace - born 1906 England aged 19 years married 31 January 1925 - Detroit Michigan. Father John (stenographer) and Mother Florence. Spouse Austin G Roberts born Florida and aged 24 years. Father Francis (shipman) and Mother Susan Curry.
Sandra
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Coge Blvd-gore Avenue-fifth St-relly Avenue Pharr, Hidalgo, Texas.
Austen S Roberts 39 Born Florida. Manager - Valley Fruit Vegetable Co
Gladys Roberts 34 Born England.
Shirley M Roberts 13 Born Detroit.
Sandra
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Florence Eveline Dace born 1903 England married 28 April 1923 Highland Park Michigan. Father John and Mother Mary Harper ??? Spouse :- Robert F Brown born California and aged 21 years. Father Bolton and Mother Lucy Fletcher. Witness Elliott H Turner and John Dace.
Sandra
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Staepel Detroit Wayne Michigan 1930
Robert Brown 28 Born California. Technician. Radio.
Florence Brown 27 Born England.
Daughter Brown 3 Born Michigan.
Bancroft Youngstown, Mahoning, Ohio 1940
Robert Brown 38 Born California.
Florence Brown 37 Born England.
Daughter Brown 13 Born Michigan.
Daughter Brown 8 Born Ohio.
Sandra
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I don't think this has been mentioned; could there be any connection:
John Dacey married Emily Baldos(?). John was of Detroit, Michigan, born England, age 19, Metal Finisher. Father was John and mother was Lydia Duke. Married 9 June 1934. In the presence of Frank Florek and Bernice Baldos. Clergyman was a Roman Catholic priest.
Lydia Duke was his stepmother so this is likely his 1st marriage, the Roman Catholic marriage does not surprise me as his aunt married in a RC ceremony to.
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Possible death record for Robert Brown (husband of Florence) born 19 July 1901 and passed away April 1975 Last Residence Last Residence 33589 Tarpon Springs, Pinellas, Florida
Possible for Florence :- Florida Death Index Florence Eva Brown - 28 April 1901 passed away 3 June 1993 Pinellas Florida.
Sandra
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So he was born John Aden Dace to Florence Warham & John Dace born 1907. That sounds like it could be a good match, though why the name change John, Aden, then John & changing the surname to Dacey?? Also saying he was born in the states. As i mentioned above i think his brother did the same. Would they have had better prospects if they said this? I know Aden's uncles father did the same he was born in Ireland but claimed he was born in Liverpool as the irish were not held in great esteem
I'm not entirely sure, i've always taken it to sound Dace as in Lace.
I know quite a few people who use their middle names, rather than their first names. I've never asked why they chose to do this. I also have several family members who have done the same. Their middle names were easier to understand, they liked them better, they were more unique.
He may have had better job prospects if he said he was born in the states. Someone may have given the information for him, thinking he was born in the states. If he came over when he was a child, he may have lost quite a bit of his accent or intentionally tried to sound American.
Dace/Dacey: Is is pronounced like ace with a d in front, or is it similar to lacy?
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Either a Dacey John Aden or John Aden Dacey (depending upon which site is referenced) had a patent for a therapeutic device. He was of Detroit, Michigan. Dated 1954 and 1957.
Do you have a link for this so i can have a look?
J x
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There are a couple of sites (I don't like posting unknown sites). I typed "john aden dacey" and two sites were the results. I also typed "dacey, john aden" and several sites appeared.
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There are a couple of sites (I don't like posting unknown sites). I typed "john aden dacey" and two sites were the results. I also typed "dacey, john aden" and several sites appeared.
Thank you, found them :)
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Obituary for Barbara Jean Brown (daughter of Robert Brown and Florence Dace)
Barbara Jean Baird, 80 of Brooksville, Florida passed away September 2, 2011. She was born June 19, 1931 in Erie, Pennsylvania to Robert Brown and Florence Dace. She came to the area 9 years ago from Holiday, Florida. Mrs. Baird was an elementary school teacher for 53 years and taught in Ohio - Safety Harbor, Florida and over 30 years at Mittye P Locke Elementary School in Elfers. She was Methodist in faith. She is survived by her loving family etc etc
http://www.tributes.com/show/Barbara-Jean-Baird-92252695
Sandra
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Me again! ;)
I have managed to find this obituary which mentions Helen Dacey
KUENZLI JENNIE 2002-05-05
Beloved wife of the late Mahlon. Sister of Lottie and Mitchell Buczek, late brother Mitchell, and Helen Dacey. Loving aunt of Charmaine and Kenneth. Visitation Monday 1-9 p.m. Burial Forest Lawn Cemetery. Funeral Tuesday at 11 a.m. at Lesney and Son Funeral Home, 13201 West Warren.
(Detroit News)
i'm guessing that Charmaine & Kenneth are the children of Helen & John Dacey, being that John's brother was Kenneth.
I'm mindful that these people are likely to still be alive & i wonder if you ladies may know the best way to go about finding them? I have tried the normal search engines & FB but have come up blank.
any ideas?
Jackie
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Have you tried http://www.whitepages.com/ - http://www.switchboard.com/ - http://www.spokeo.com/ and sites like those.
Sandra
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Have you tried http://www.whitepages.com/ - http://www.switchboard.com/ - http://www.spokeo.com/ and sites like those.
Sandra
Thanks for these in the UK we have a site http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ which is a fairly upto date list of all births etc, i have a feeling that Charmaine has probaly married so have no idea what to search for.
I will see what i can come up with. :)
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The USA does not have a BMD index, what is available varies County to County and State to State. Chances are there are no records available in the time frame you are looking.
Have you checked family search ?
Sandra
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Hello Ladies, hope you are well?
Ok so i recently took a DNA test & i got a match!!! It's convoluted! It's a little bit confusing trying to figure out... anyone fancy helping me out if i give you the new info? My USA digging might not be so good so i may be barking up the wrong tree.
It's all a bit exciting.... i think!
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Always someone willing to have a go - if you want to put this new information on
Sandra
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My grandmother was Florence dace but not that one you mention. She was born great wyrley 1886, Cannock Staffordshire. I may be able to help with English lines. There are loads round west midlands area and I know a lot of them link to other areas one being Cheshire. There are loads of john dace , its good when you find one with a middle name and they use it. A commom one is Edmund and gets changed to Edward. I've done dna as well.
jean
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Always someone willing to have a go - if you want to put this new information on
Sandra
Sent you a PM
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I've got john aden dace on my tree.
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I see your all having fun with the Dace family.
My grandmother is
Georgina Dace (Stockport, Manchester)
my great grandfather is
George Dace (Altrincham, Manchester)
D.O.B 24/01/1894 -
A brother/great aunts & uncles
Henry Dace D.O.B 25/04/1887 -
John Dace, Harry Dace, sister Nellie Dace.
All lived in Michigan, USA.
Highland Park, Wayne County. Also a Canadian link.
My great grandfather came back after the war to the UK.
My great uncles and aunts stayed in USA/Canada.
I know that George my great grandfather worked with his father as a Greengrocer in Altrincham, Manchester
As did some of the family members before joining the war effort in the USA/Canada. Possibly then living with some family members already living there.
George was in the
Canadian railway engineers,
Expeditionary force.
No1 construction battalion,
Valcartier Camp, Quebec,.
I have access to some information but I am also stuck trying to understand who emigrated first.
My family have always talked about a Canadian link.
Last thing. Someone mentions surname spelling.
Dace, D'acy, De Acy, Dacey.
Are all spelling variations of the Dace name throughout history. Google tells us more on this.
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john and henry in particular run in the dace family.I've got quite a few on my tree on ancestry.I've been linking up the various areas. Mine came mainly from cheslyn hay.
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Hi weste.
Very interesting. I'm new to roots chat. I have used ancestry a few times and I need to go back and have a fresh go at the tree involving my grandmother's dace heritage. It takes alot of time. Maybe a dna test would settle some questions on relations and areas.
Have you thought of a dna test at all.
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I've done an ancestry one about 3/4 years ago, uploaded to my heritage, have done 23 and me, living dna and ftdna. John aden dace works out to my 7th cousin. Think I may have some of yours on.I 've traced the line to 1700's. George Dace that married edith is 6c1r to me. I you dna test.Do ancestry as you can't upload dna from elsewhere to it. Its the biggest database.Think its on sale at the moment. I have got some dna matches from it. Those daces in Cheshire I've still got in England at the moment. We've got some links to some American lines like the misssouri , gor aussie links as well. I'm sending you a personal message.
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I hope you are and your families are doing well. Looking over our conversation,
our Dace connections are strong.
We have connections exactly around Cannock, Cheslyn Hey, which is but 3 miles down road in and around Bloxwich.
Stay good.
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Ryan, just read back over the thread, that mention of duce i have seen before. There's a big grave in wednesbury st bartholomew. It has duce on but names on it corresponds to the daces. Tried to take photos of the names a few years back but it was too big! I think i took one from a distance though. Those daces i had on a memorial inscription cd i think. I deffo took a photo of the church . I also got photos of dace grave in keyhill cemetery in the birmingham jewellery quarter, certainly from london.
jean