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Title: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: joleigh on Thursday 23 April 15 23:03 BST (UK)
hey have an unusual surname (Penniall) but not really sure where to start with my search a lot of the websites want you to pay a monthly amount which ok but I don't want to pay too much, if anyone has any suggestions that would be much appreciated!

I know my great grandfather was to do with watermen and lightermen.

I have no idea if im using this site correctly  :-\ lol but iv only just started researching my family tree.

Thanks in advance for any help and I would love to hear from you.
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: CaroleW on Thursday 23 April 15 23:10 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat

The 1911 English census has 89 entries for that surname throughout England so we need more info from you as to exactly which branch you are researching

Any born between 1901-1911 will be found on the 1911 census.  We are not allowed to post any details from that census because of copyright issues so you would need to look them up yourself on one of the subscription sites

Names/birthyears/ birthplaces

Please do not post any info about anybody who is or could still be alive
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: Ruskie on Friday 24 April 15 01:17 BST (UK)
FreeBMD is a good free easy to use site. You can often find births deaths and marriages which fit in with what you know about the family which might help your research along a bit. Frrebmd is just an index though and you would need to buy the appropriate certificate to get full details.

Keep in mind that with an unusual surname you will always need to search for misspellings and misinterpretations. So for Penniall you might like to search for pen*l or pen*a*l (just a couple of examples and there will be other variations I'm sure).

You can give names of anyone who is no longer living if you would like some help, though it is much more fun to do it yourself.

Also keep in mind that the pay sites like Ancestry and FindMyPast give you a two week free trial, so if you take that up when you have plenty of free time, you might find you can make good progress. But remember to cancel before the trial ends or they will charge your credit card for an annual subscription. Both have occasional free access weekends which are worth looking out for.
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: garstonite on Friday 24 April 15 06:18 BST (UK)
Hi Joleigh and welcome to Rootschat
these are just examples of some records you can obtain from
www.familysearch.org
pennial
any event
england
1800 - 1911
search
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https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVQM-QMQ    -   a baptism
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XQ45-QN8     -  a census record
https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Apennial~%20%2Bany_place%3Aengland~%20%2Bany_year%3A1800-1911~%20%2Brecord_country%3AEngland
plenty for you to browse through on this link ....if you see any of your family - let us know and then we can start from there ......good luck ... :)
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Friday 24 April 15 06:40 BST (UK)
Hi Joliegh,

Welcome to RootsChat :)

Have a browse too on the "Occupation Interests" board
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/occupations/

There are several topics about canal and riverboat people there.
In this topic, for instance,
Topic: Watermen and lighter-men Apprenticeships Bindings Look up Please? 
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=232899.msg2109647#msg2109647
there is a mention of a John Pennial in 1790

Good luck,
Bob
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: joleigh on Friday 24 April 15 08:20 BST (UK)
thank you everyone I shall let you know what I find :)
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: garstonite on Friday 24 April 15 08:28 BST (UK)
You don't have to post your G Grandfathers name and birth year if you don't want to - but if you do, we can start researching with him and his family  :) :)

ADDED
The Company of Watermen and Lightermen have a free search for ancestors ...how nice
e mail this address with your  g grandfathers full name and possible birth year
admin [..at..] watermenshall.org

good luck  ;)
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: joleigh on Friday 24 April 15 08:47 BST (UK)
thank you so much I shall email them now - his name was Douglas Ernest Penniall 01/10/1933

thanks
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: nanny jan on Friday 24 April 15 08:52 BST (UK)

You might find this site useful; I've had some help from them regarding my lighterman/waterman ancestor:

http://www.parishregister.com/


Nanny Jan
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: KGarrad on Friday 24 April 15 08:59 BST (UK)
FreeBMD shows:

Births, December qtr 1933
Lambeth district     vol 1d, page 146

Penniall, Douglas E       Mother's Maiden Name: Williams
Penniall, John               Mother's Maiden Name: Williams

So, a twin?! ;D
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: garstonite on Friday 24 April 15 09:13 BST (UK)
thank you so much I shall email them now - his name was Douglas Ernest Penniall 01/10/1933

thanks

Mothers maiden name of Williams
1925 Charles J Penniall to Elsie Williams ...Greenwich...the marriage
1903 Charles Joseph Penniall - Greenwich ....Charles birth
1911 census should give you his family
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: garstonite on Friday 24 April 15 09:17 BST (UK)
Charles Joseph Penniall was born 23rd July 1903 - died 1974 in Bexley,Kent
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QVCB-FCBV

he is in Deptford when he is 7

parents look to be Joseph John Penniall( b 1881 Greenwich )and Florence Alice Pritchard who married St Olave mar qtr 1903.....
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: joleigh on Friday 24 April 15 09:25 BST (UK)
hi again, thanks for the info.

Elsie Williams was most definantely my great grandmother i still remember visiting her when i was little.

im going to look on the 1911 census as suggested and see if my hunch is correct that Charles Joseph Penniall's father was Ernest Penniall
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: joleigh on Friday 24 April 15 09:36 BST (UK)
KGARRAD ---- yes he was a twin but im led to believe his brother died at birth.
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: garstonite on Friday 24 April 15 09:38 BST (UK)
hi again, thanks for the info.

Elsie Williams was most definantely my great grandmother i still remember visiting her when i was little.

im going to look on the 1911 census as suggested and see if my hunch is correct that Charles Joseph Penniall's father was Ernest Penniall

looks like another set of twins  together in census aged 29
I previously posted the statement below
parents look to be Joseph John Penniall( b 1881 Greenwich )and Florence Alice Pritchard who married St Olave mar qtr 1903.....
I might be wrong - tell me what you find on 1911 census
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: KGarrad on Friday 24 April 15 09:57 BST (UK)
KGARRAD ---- yes he was a twin but im led to believe his brother died at birth.

Using FreeBMD again:

Deaths, December qtr 1933
Lambeth district     vol 1d, page 157

Penniall, John     age 0


So, although he didn't die at birth (that would be a stillbirth, and recorded on a different register), he died shortly afterwards.
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: joleigh on Friday 24 April 15 10:08 BST (UK)
ah I see, I also noticed that GARSTONITE posted Florence Alice Prichard and josph John Penniall were married in 1903 and had Charles in 1903 so she was probably pregnant before they were married :?
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: garstonite on Friday 24 April 15 10:11 BST (UK)
ah I see, I also noticed that GARSTONITE posted Florence Alice Prichard and josph John Penniall were married in 1903 and had Charles in 1903 so she was probably pregnant before they were married :?
correct .....you need to confirm Charles Penniall parents in 1911 census - they are in Deptford,Kent
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: Millmoor on Friday 24 April 15 10:21 BST (UK)
Hi

Baptism  St Paul Deptford16 August 1903 born 24 July 1903 Charles Joseph Pennaill Parents Joseph John and Florence Alice Occupation metal sorter.

Marriage Joseph John Penniall 21 and Florence Alice Pritchard 19 on 7 Feb 1903  St Anne Bermondsey  occupation metal sorter Parents Daniel Penniall, lighterman and George Thomas Pritchard, leather finisher.

Cannot see Joseph John on 1901 census but with this surname you may find a number of transcription "errors" and may have to be creative in searching. 1891 census has been transcribed as Penwell and has family at 56 Thames Street, Greenwich with father Daniel 47, waterman barge and mother Bridget 39 and siblings Phoebe 18, Sarah 16, Henry 7, Elizabeth 5 and Samuel 2.

William
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: joleigh on Friday 24 April 15 10:43 BST (UK)
ok I have lots of info now I need to get my head round it all, so I will look over the weekend and put all the bits and bobs together as at the moment its scraps of paper and all over the place lol of course if you find more let me know its really interesting.

I will let you all know when im done and show you my progress, il be going to my nans on sunday and shes sure to have lots of info and can tell me more.

is it worth paying 6.95 for credits to view 1911 census you get 60 creds and its 5 creds to view a transcript?

thanks guys
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: Millmoor on Friday 24 April 15 11:13 BST (UK)
Have you considered using the library? Many libraries provide free access to ancestry library edition using your library card. Google your local library and it should indicate if this is available in your area.

William
Title: Re: surname unusual/good web sites to visit for family history info
Post by: joleigh on Friday 24 April 15 16:34 BST (UK)
hi MILLMOOR - thank you il have a look thank you :)