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Independent Islands => Alderney, Guernsey, Jersey, Sark => Topic started by: MarilynL on Sunday 26 April 15 08:29 BST (UK)
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Hello, has anyone researched the name of Vickery in Jersey?
I am interested in Christopher Vickery who went to Jersey about 1854 from Australia. Dating back from his death he was born in London about 1806. He had a brother Joshua born London about 1809.
Christopher was in Sydney and the Hawkesbury on and off from early 1820's until he left about 1854 with his wife Elizabeth for Jersey.
She died there in 1872 and he probably left soon after for London where he died in Croydon in 1887.
I haven't been able to locate any birth record for him or his brother. His full name may have been Christopher Charles Vickery and his brother Joshua Joseph (he went to Sydney in 1841 and died there about 1851).
Christopher may have gone to Jersey because there was Vickery family there. He and Elizabeth married in Clerkenwell London in 1832 and went back to Australia.
There are Vickerys in Jersey but I haven't been able to establish a connection. I post in hope someone has researched Vickerys in Jersey who may have come from London.
Thankyou.
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Hi MarilynL,
Christopher Charles Vickery married Elizabeth Kelly in Clerkenwell in 1831 not 1832, on 3rd Feb. They are both listed as OTP and Elizabeth is cited as a widow. The witnesses are John Vickery and Louisa Anne Jenkins.
I'm a bit confused by your "went back to Australia" after the wedding. Surely this is the first time they go to Australia?
He is listed in the National Probate Calendar: Probate Date: 29 Nov 1887, Death Date: 6 Nov 1887. He left a will with a personal estate valued at £2,680 10s 7d so quite a wealthy man.
Peter
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Hello, Peter. Elizabeth was born probably on Norfolk Island in 1791. Christopher probably came to Australia early 1820's and they met in the Hawkesbury where Elizabeth's family lived - her mother was Catherine Johnson convict on Prince of Wales in the First Fleet and from St Sepulchre area near Clerkenwell.
Elizabeth was Kelly as she married Patrick Gibb Kelly in Calcutta in Dec 1812. She had taken her 2 children (born 1808 and 1809 in Sydney) there in July 1812 as their father James Ceronio an Italian American from Philadelphia was based there.
But he seems to have married a Mary Poles in India in Nov 1811 (I believe she is Mary Ceronio in English 1841 and 1851 Censuses claiming to be a widow but James Ceronio didn't die in India till 1860. Mary Ceronio died 1858. And James married again in Calcutta in 1823 - that wife died about 1850).
I don't know what happened to Patrick Gibb Kelly. There are references to Christopher Vickery in Sydney and the Hawkesbury in 1820's. Then there is the 1831 marriage in London. They are recorded returning to Australia in ship records - The Dispatch - 1838 but may have to and fro'd between 1831-1838. Records of CV in 1840's in the Hawkesbury.
His brother Joshua arrived 1841 and married Elizabeth's half sister. Joshua died of fever on NSW gold fields in 1851-2. Reinterred by family in the Hawkesbury 1853 and it looks like after that CV and Elizabeth left Australia.
They sure got around! But we have not been able to find or identify any record of CV and Joshua V birth and family in London.
So I am wondering if some moved to Jersey and that's why they went there. I have CV's Will - he was a business man in Australia. Elizabeth was likely about 15 years older than him.
Regards, Marilyn
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Marilyn,
As I'm sure you are aware most of the London records are available. Because there no hits when searching for either Christopher or Joshua I can only assume they were [probably] not baptised which makes it almost impossible to locate them.
Peter
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No help with why the Vickerys were in Jersey but after his death Christopher's body was returned to Jersey for burial.
"Christopher Vickery Esq died in London the 6th November 1887 aged 82 years, transported to Jersey the 10th and buried the same day in Mont a l'Abbe new cemetery.
Block 1, Plot 285, Graves S1 and S2"
From the records of Croads Funeral Directors
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Peter and la grande methe, thankyou for responses. Peter, yours clarifies and l g m this is new information. It looks like he wanted to be buried with his wife, Elizabeth, buried 1872 at Mont a l'Abbe - most interesting. Regards, Marilyn.
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Hi I am looking at Vickerys in the Channel Islands. My great grandfather Frederick Vickery was born in Guernsey - his parents were John and Martha Vickery. I think John's father was Thomas Vickery born circa 1799. I think there might have been other sons of Thomas and his wife might have been Elizabeth. But its early days for me so some is guesswork.
If anyone has info that would be great - especially if there is any link to Christopher Vickery and Australia as our Vickery clan now live there.
Peter Vickery
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I think I have found them on UK 1881 census in Barnstaple. He is 74 and a waterworks inspector (but born Swimbridge.) and she is 70 with no birth place shown. It sort of fits because in 1861 and 1871 on Jersey he was a surveyor.
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Hi - I think I have worked out my family in the Channel Islands. My great great great grandparents John and Elizabeth Vickery left Milverton in Somerset to work on the Alderney Breakwater and/or Railway. They took their children one of who was my great great grandfather John. John married a Martha who I think was a local Guernsey girl (I am trying to find out more details about her). They had three sons John Joseph, Frederick (my great grandfather) and Henry Walter. I know John and Frederick were born on Alderney in 1858 and 1860 but can find no trace of Henry Walter. John and Martha lived their lives there and are buried at St Martins and Vale. Frederick, his grandmother Elizabeth, uncles William and Tom moved to Torcross in Devon where William owned the hotel. An Aunt Mary was also living with them (now called Mary Stamp) and she had her children with her. I do not know anything about her husband - maybe he was a Channel Islander. Frederick also had another uncle George - again I know nothing about him did he stay on the Channel Is or also go back to England? Frederick's brother John Joseph went to Devon.
Something that does fascinate me is that around 1860 two other Vickerys were born on Alderney a John Tucker and William Henry. They were the sons of another William Vickery an Engineer and his wife's maiden name was Tucker. I see a William married and Elizabeth Tucker in Devon 1835. In a 1881 census an Adeline Tucker is living with my great great great uncle William and is his niece. Maybe just a coincidence. John Tucker and William Henry became a Vet and Surgeon - whereas my lot were carpenters, labourers and publicans!
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Christopher Charles Vickery married Elizabeth Kelly in Clerkenwell in 1831 not 1832, on 3rd Feb. They are both listed as OTP and Elizabeth is cited as a widow. The witnesses are John Vickery and Louisa Anne Jenkins.
Two other marriages of Vickerys in same church in Clerkenwell
John Vickery married Hannah Day 19 Oct 1826 by Banns, wit John Vickery and Ann Nibbs
Phoebe Vickery married George Steventon widower of Edinburgh on 1 Sep 1829 by lic, witnesses John Barry and Louisa Anne Jenkins.
The images are on Ancestry, the signatures of the John Vickery (witness) are the same on John's and Christopher's marriages. So it looks as if Christopher, the two John's and Phoebe might be related.
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Can't find a death for a Phoebe Steventon in England but there is one in Edinburgh in 1834. If she married a man from Edinburgh, quite feasible they went back there to live.
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Marriage at Clerkenwell of a John Vickery to Elizabeth Nicholls 24 Sep 1804, the signature looks a bit different, the "John" is very similar to John Vickery the witness but the "y" on the end of Vickery is different as is the "V" at the beginning. But would a signature change a lot in 20 + years. And a bridegroom could be nervous, so his signature is a bit scrawled.
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LizzieL, thankyou for this. A couple of hears ago I found signatures for 3 John Vickerys in the Clerkenwell register and 2 looked the same - a witness and a marriage from memory. I'll have to dig it out again. I think the 3rd might have been the 1804 and I thought he'd be the father or an uncle.
Chris Vickery's second name was Charles so his father may have been Charles.
I have found 1 or 2 Vickery families but nothing definite to connect them or identify Christopher. I can only assume he and his brother Joshua were not christened when born about 1806 and 1809. There are a few John Vickerys - the most common name.
CV is still a mystery.
Regards, Marilyn.
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Since Phoebe and Christopher had one witness in common, she might be worth pursuing. She could be the one who died in Edinburgh mentioned on my earlier post. To get more details you would have to buy a few credits from Scotland's people. I don't know how much information a Scottish death record has pre-civil registration, but I doubt it would give parents names.
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Tried some possibilities in the "other surname" field on SP, only George seems to fit, so it looks like the Phoebe who died in Edinburgh was Phoebe George.
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Oxford Journal 27 June 1840 page 1 has obit of John Vickery who died suddenly on 18th June. he had been governor of Clerkenwell House of correction. It mentions that he had a son with an official position in New South Wales.
Ancestry has his burial record, buried on 20th. his age at death makes his year of birth about 1772.
This could fit with being Christopher and Joshua's father.
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There's John Vickery's will on ancestry, mentions Bow street officers, so same chap who died suddenly in June. Also mentions sons John, Joshua and Christopher, daughter Phoebe, brother James, son in law Joshua Armstrong. rather difficult to read.
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After names of sons Joshua and Christopher it says Vickery otherwise Brown ??? And another son James George Vickery otherwise Brown.
It sounds as if they might be stepsons and Brown was their original surname.
then this sentence:
being my three .... or reputed children by my late ....Ann Brown deceased.
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The will was written 1820 - so 20 years before he died.
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Leamington Spa Courier 27 June 1840 has a little more on John Vickery's death. It says he was generally in good health but had an apoplectic fit about 20 years earlier. maybe that was why he wrote a will in 1820.
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If you google John Vickery and Bow street runner, you get a lot of hits - quite a famous ancestor!
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LizzieL, thankyou so much for all of this. I can't believe it after all the years a few of us have been searching. I don't have Ancestry and will see if the information is also in FindMyPast and Family Search. I didn't think to look in newspapers and hadn't been able to link the 3 Johns from Clerkenwell records. No wonder no birth records for Christopher and Joshua Vickery if they were born Brown.
This is wonderful news. I need to go over it a few times to absorb it all. Are you connected to Vickerys?
Regards, Marilyn
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If you look at old bailey on line there are numerous references to John Vickery giving evidence. As a police officer from early 1800s and later as the governor of the house of correction.
I'm not connected to the Vickerys, I saw this thread on the Jersey board, which I check regularly as I have ancestors from Jersey. It looked an interesting puzzle to try and solve.
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Lizie, thankyou - it was my lucky day when you saw it. I may have messed up the mesage to you as I hit "send mesage" before I typed it and when I tried again received error response - haven't used this before. I am marilynlong2011ATyahoo.com. Hope this is ok. Thankyou very much, Marilyn
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I cannot find William Henry Vickery on 1871 or 1891 census. He is on 1881 census as a nephew, a chemists assistant in Kingsbridge Devon. Can anybody help
Ian S Vicary
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I think I have found them on UK 1881 census in Barnstaple. He is 74 and a waterworks inspector (but born Swimbridge.) and she is 70 with no birth place shown. It sort of fits because in 1861 and 1871 on Jersey he was a surveyor.
We have more than one Christopher Vickery here and confusingly both with wives called Elizabeth. The one in Jersey in 1861 and 1871 was born in Middlesex and married to an Australian lady in London. He died in Croydon (where he was on 1881 census) and buried in Jersey where his wife had died and was buried a few years previously. According to his father's will this Christopher is aka Brown.
The other Christopher was born in Devon (Swimbridge) in 1881 he is surveyor to a water company in 1891 he is a Turncock for the water company. He and Elizabeth are living with daughter and son in law Richard and Mary J Bowden (b 1851) in Barnstaple. This fits with a Christopher and Elizabeth and family in 1851 in Cane Street Braunton. He is an ag lab and among other children they have a daughter Mary J who is 5 months old. In 1861 the family is at the Quay Barnstaple and he has become a Turncock to water company.
In 1841 he is in Chapel Street Braunton, occupation Ag lab. I haven't located him in 1871
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I cannot find William Henry Vickery on 1871 or 1891 census. He is on 1881 census as a nephew, a chemists assistant in Kingsbridge Devon. Can anybody help
Ian S Vicary
I would suggest you start a new thread on the Devon board to search for this person.
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sorry just realised your chap was born in Alderney, so you would be best stay in Channel Island board, but still best to start a separate thread.
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i think I have him in 1871. With John and Eliza Tucker in Kingsbridge (same rellies as in 1881) there is a William H Hocking age 7 born Alderney nephew. The line below has a Florence Hocking niece b Cambridgeshire. I suspect the enumerator may have made an error transcribing from householder's form onto his record. The whole page is quite untidy and looks like he was filling it out in a great hurry.
and in 1891, visiting the Cook family in Streatham.
Piece 459 Folio 58 Page 10
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Hi - I can shed some light on William Henry Vickery born 1 Aug 1863 in Alderney. I believe he was the second son of my great great great uncle William Vickery. His bio is on line
http://livesonline.rcseng.ac.uk/biogs/E004855b.htm
I am pretty confident about this as my ggg uncle was married to an Ann Tucker and their first son was John Tucker Vickery who became a vet in Lauceston Cornwall.
My Vickery ancestors lived in Milverton, Somerset, then Alderney/Guernsey and on to the South Hams area in Devon.
pvickery@hotmail.com