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Title: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Sunday 26 April 15 20:50 BST (UK)
Hi All

I am looking for any information on the Furlongs of Richmond St North and Russell Street Mountjoy. I know of the relationship between the Behan (Brendan Behan) and the Furlongs as it is well documented , but can find little on the Furlongs. I do know that Granny Furlong moved over to Birmingham England with her two daughters and shortly after arriving was arrested for bomb making. What I am looking for is anything on Thomas Henry Furlong and his wife Mary Anne O'Connor (granny furlong) and their children. Family say they know at some point there was a connection with Wexford but I cant seem to trace them back from Dublin. John/Jack Furlong married Kathleen Kearney mother of the Behan boys Brendan Behan and Dominic (second marriage to Stephen Behan) . The furlongs can be found in 1901 and 1911 living in mountjoy . My direct descendant is Leo Furlong.  Any help appreciated. Thanks  :)

Carol
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: conahy calling on Sunday 26 April 15 21:03 BST (UK)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FTVM-R3F   Death for a Thomas H Furlong

Ireland Civil registrations up to 1958 free to search on this link

https://familysearch.org/search/collection/1408347

Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Sunday 26 April 15 21:13 BST (UK)
Thank you Conahy , I thought he had died before 1939 as this is when his wife took off to live with her son in Birmingham shortly before she was arrested and I have no proof of him travelling with her or him turning up there. His death cert wouldn't say where he was born would it ? The 1911 census pages state he was born in Dublin , but then again so does his wife but then on the 1901 census she states Co Meath (or visa versa) . Trying to get a bit further back but don't seem to be able to get a move on .

Carol
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: conahy calling on Sunday 26 April 15 21:23 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433043.0.html

This link tells you what details are on a Death Cert.
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Sunday 26 April 15 21:26 BST (UK)
Thank you Conahy  :)
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Sunday 26 April 15 23:00 BST (UK)
have to ask have you their marriage cert because this baptism is troubling me
ls her mother a twice widowed woman possibly to a Reilly before O'Connor
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/6a96390209480
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Sunday 26 April 15 23:20 BST (UK)
Evelyns birth ?
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/abc8ad0846300
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FBL8-2NG
cant find an Eileen
but might be this one
http://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details-civil/d01a211060227
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Sunday 26 April 15 23:36 BST (UK)
Emily Mary
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/ad56b20121442
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Mountjoy/Russell_Street/1322365/
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Monday 27 April 15 00:20 BST (UK)
Aha their marriage
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0073

your ancestor Leo
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/da2fc30115783
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Monday 27 April 15 00:56 BST (UK)
seems to be CatherineReilly/ Connor/Carolan's second marriage
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/5b4c820096325
her parents from Dunshaughlin

there was also a Bryan Carolan from Dunshaughlin at Thomas Furlongs wedding above
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Monday 27 April 15 01:02 BST (UK)
they appear to have had one child
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F5PB-5S9
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Monday 27 April 15 01:12 BST (UK)
Some Bryan Carolan's in Meath
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1901&surname=carolan&firstname=bryan&county19011911=Meath&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=&houseNumber=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/results.jsp?searchMoreVisible=false&census_year=1911&surname=carolan&firstname=bryan&county19011911=Meath&county1821=&county1831=&county1841=&county1851=&parish=&ward=&barony=&townland=&houseNumber=&ded=&age=&sex=&search=Search&ageInMonths=&relationToHead=&religion=&education=&occupation=&marriageStatus=&yearsMarried=&birthplace=&nativeCountry=&language=&deafdumb=&causeOfDeath=&yearOfDeath=&familiesNumber=&malesNumber=&femalesNumber=&maleServNumber=&femaleServNumber=&estChurchNumber=&romanCatNumber=&presbNumber=&protNumber=&marriageYears=&childrenBorn=&childrenLiving=
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Monday 27 April 15 08:21 BST (UK)
might be Bryan Carolan and Catherine O'Hara
children
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bfather_givenname%3Abryan~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Acarolan~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Acatherine~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Ao%27hara~&collection_id=1584963
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Monday 27 April 15 08:52 BST (UK)
Hi Dathai

You hit the nail on the head with this little lot , thanks so much I have never used that site before as its been some time since I picked this up again. The name O'Connor is one that I got from the 1901 census Catherine O'Connor mother in law widow, wondering now if it was Thomas that was married before (?) , but that's brilliant as I can see Thomas's parents names there. Wondering about the end column in the marriage register saying Disp , could this mean they were cousins ? I also now have new addresses to look at. Im ever so grateful to you !

Carol
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Monday 27 April 15 08:55 BST (UK)
a few more baptisms
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/search.jsp?name2fm=&name2l=reilly&namefm=tho*&namel=furlong&location=&yyfrom=&yyto=&submit=Search&sort=&pageSize=100&diocese=&parish=&century=&decade=&ddBfrom=&ddMfrom=&ddDfrom=&mmBfrom=&mmMfrom=&mmDfrom=&yyBfrom=&yyMfrom=&yyDfrom=&ddBto=&ddMto=&ddDto=&mmBto=&mmMto=&mmDto=&yyBto=&yyMto=&yyDto=&locationB=&locationM=&locationD=&member0=&member1=&member2=&member3=&member4=&member5=&member6=&member7=&member8=&member9=&namef0=&namef1=&namef2=&namef3=&namef4=&namef5=&namef6=&namef7=&namef8=&namef9=&namel0=&namel1=&namel2=&namel3=&namel4=&namel5=&namel6=&namel7=&namel8=&namel9=&keyword=&event=

sorry link not working
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Monday 27 April 15 09:04 BST (UK)
John Thomas Furlong 1885
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/7c11ec0206372
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Monday 27 April 15 09:14 BST (UK)
These records are brilliant , thank you so much !  ;D
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Monday 27 April 15 09:38 BST (UK)
as usual ages at death are unreliable depending who the informant was the same applies for ages on the census.
So if Mary Annes mother remarried to Rodger Connor in 1864 it is most likely that Mary Anne and Thomas Furlong were in their forties in 1901 so born before Catholic civil registration began in 1864.
The death for Thomas Furlong that Conahy posted earlier for 1929 is buried in Glasnevin you can search the index here and get a full readout for 10euro listing all burials in that plot
http://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
There is also a burial showing in 1902 for a Catherine Connor age 64 ? when entering Russell Street in address box
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Monday 27 April 15 14:31 BST (UK)
given that Thomas Furlong and Mary Anne Reilly married 25th April 1883 they would have to be at least 20 yrs old or possibly younger or older however that pushes their births back to about 1863 or earlier.
noticed a few Furlong's as sponsors on baptisms possibly siblings of Thomas they were Maria and Emily.
Emily Furlong not a very common name on Irish Genealogy
There is a burial recorded in Glasnevin 1892 for a 61 yr old Emily Furlong she is not registered on the civil index.
it could even be his mother.

edit later
entered Buckingham Street into address box for Emily's burial and it still registers.
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Monday 27 April 15 16:38 BST (UK)
Its not a great name , Thomas Henry Furlong also named one of his daughters after his mother , its a very unusual name for Ireland . I think your right though about the buried Emily I think it has to be his Mother , I have been trying to trace his parents on the 1901 census but looks like they had departed by then .
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: dathai on Friday 01 May 15 08:35 BST (UK)
I found Albert and Leo on the prison register 1916 and 1923 at 32 Gt Charles St
I entered Great Charle Street address on the Glasnevin index for the death of Thomas Furlong 1929 and it registers.
Leo married Christina Brennan in Belfast ?
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Friday 01 May 15 13:45 BST (UK)
Yes Dathai he did marry Christina Brennan. I had thought of looking on ancestry for any other info but have been away for a few days so didn't get round to it . Wow wonder what they did or if it was connected to the IRA as their brother John/Jack Furlong was also involved and was indeed friends with Michael Collins. Peadar Kearney was John/Jack Furlongs brother in law when he was married to Kathleen Kearney, the marriage lasted 3 years and they had two sons but he died from flu during the epidemic of 1918. She later married Stephen Behan, their sons to become Brenan Behan and Dominic Behan.

Did you find this out from ancestry site ?
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Friday 01 May 15 14:09 BST (UK)
I just found it on family search , reason Fraudlent Converstion of £20 , there seem to be a lot of Furlongs there !
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: furty28 on Wednesday 20 May 15 21:46 BST (UK)
Hello Carol!
I am also a direct Descendant of Leo Aloysius Furlong. He was my Grandad. I don't think I have got any further back than you have so far. However i have found the process fascinating. You have probably seen these two books but if not then they do have some interesting references in them to the family.
Mother of all the Behans, by Brian Behan.
Brendan Behan A life, by Michael o Sullivan.
The second one the text is searchable on google.
  I would be interested to know how you are related to Leo.
 
All The best

Mark
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Thursday 21 May 15 15:58 BST (UK)
Mark ! that's brilliant news  ;D I have come across the books btw ...will send you a PM with my mail address !

Carol
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Thursday 21 May 15 16:00 BST (UK)
...sorry Mark , I just thought I may have your email address already given to me by Chris (your cousin) , if so I have been meaning to send you mail for a week but work stopped me ...
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: furty28 on Thursday 21 May 15 20:54 BST (UK)
No problem Carol. Looking Forward to your E mail. If you Can't find the address, let me know on here.  I will pass it through my daughter who is facebook friends with Chris.

Cheers

 Mark
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Cog on Friday 22 May 15 01:10 BST (UK)
I have it so will mail you this weekend Mark  ;) looking forward to seeing what you have and if I have anything different .

Carol
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Emma Ann Horwill on Saturday 04 August 18 15:28 BST (UK)
Hi Carol and all

I have just started tracing my bloodline as I was adopted in 1972.
My great great grandfather was Thomas Henry Furlong!
I am fascinated to be reading all this information you all have. Would you be happy to share any more with me please?

Many kind thanks
Emma (born Melissa Jane Furlong)
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: furty28 on Tuesday 07 August 18 22:02 BST (UK)
Hi Emma,

Good to hear from another family member!

Thomas Henry Furlong born 6 th June 1862 was my great grandad and had I believe 7 children with
Mary Anne Reilly. Do you know which one of their children you are descended from? I have only researched my direct line but I may be able to help you with some general information

Kind regards

Mark Furlong
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Emma Ann Horwill on Wednesday 08 August 18 12:46 BST (UK)
Hi Mark

Thank you so much for getting back to me! It is all very exciting.
My G Grandfather was Patrick Joseph-J Furlong (1891–1936) his son was my Grandfather Edmund T Furlong and his daughter is my birth mother Jennifer Ann formerly Furlong.

You and Carol are descended from Leo?

I am having trouble finding Thomas Henry's birth record as we had a different birth year, but still can't locate it using your given date. Any clues please? Do you have an Ancestry Tree?

Also were Thomas Furlong's parents Thos Furlong and Emily Dunn?

Look forward to swapping findings and details!
Thank you

Emma
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: furty28 on Wednesday 08 August 18 15:56 BST (UK)
Hi Emma,
 I will send you some more details in a few days when I have more time but have a look at www.churchrecords. Irish genealogy. ie
Under Thomas Henricus Furlong 6-6-1862baptism and wedding of Thomas Furlong and Mary Anne Reilly on 25-4_1883 ,
Hope that helps you
Regards

Mark
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Emma Ann Horwill on Wednesday 08 August 18 17:56 BST (UK)
Hi Mark

Ah that is wonderful! Thank you so much.
I look forward to hearing from you.

Best wishes
Emma
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: furty28 on Saturday 11 August 18 14:01 BST (UK)
Hi Emma,

I have sent you a Personal message, with some details I hope you will find interesting

Kind regards

mark
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Yasminminette on Monday 13 May 19 08:41 BST (UK)
Hello, due to recently doing my DNA and trying to trace my father it seems I am also connected to the furlongs
I was hidden via a name change and birthdate change in 1977
i was born in 1974
Due to my mother's own insecurities
Wondering if any one can help with any information ?
Many thanks Donna
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Emma Ann Horwill on Monday 13 May 19 09:37 BST (UK)
Hi Donna

I am happy to help! Please share any more information you have either here, or privately, and i'll try my best to help!

Best wishes
Emma
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Yasminminette on Monday 13 May 19 17:17 BST (UK)
Hi Emma I cant see how I message you on here and it wont let me add a photo as files to big
Are you on Facebook
I'm Donna Minette Blair please feel free to add me as it will be easier to communicate and share information
And that is open to all furlongs 😊
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Yasminminette on Monday 24 June 19 23:45 BST (UK)
Hi All

I am looking for any information on the Furlongs of Richmond St North and Russell Street Mountjoy. I know of the relationship between the Behan (Brendan Behan) and the Furlongs as it is well documented , but can find little on the Furlongs. I do know that Granny Furlong moved over to Birmingham England with her two daughters and shortly after arriving was arrested for bomb making. What I am looking for is anything on Thomas Henry Furlong and his wife Mary Anne O'Connor (granny furlong) and their children. Family say they know at some point there was a connection with Wexford but I cant seem to trace them back from Dublin. John/Jack Furlong married Kathleen Kearney mother of the Behan boys Brendan Behan and Dominic (second marriage to Stephen Behan) . The furlongs can be found in 1901 and 1911 living in mountjoy . My direct descendant is Leo Furlong.  Any help appreciated. Thanks  :)

Carol
I have found that my grandmother is one of the Eileen furlong who married a James gunning who's son Roger would've my father, but I am having problems tracing them
Would you have found any other information, I believe Leo is Eileen's brother, many thanks Donna
And it also seems via DNA I have connection to Kathleen behan
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 25 June 19 00:05 BST (UK)
This is a long thread with a lot of links so a lot to wade through
Is this the family?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Richmond_St__North/15970/

Eileen appears to be this birth without a first name, number 363
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01860/1724793.pdf
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 25 June 19 00:28 BST (UK)
Have you searched https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp for Marriages ?

Or change to Births etc...

this gets Marriages to 1899 but one can change it.....or change Surname
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 25 June 19 00:35 BST (UK)
Registered Marriage results for Thomas Furlong anywhere   http://www.rootschat.com/links/01nyt/
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: hallmark on Tuesday 25 June 19 00:57 BST (UK)
One also has Church Registers  https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/  (adjust as needed)
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Yasminminette on Tuesday 25 June 19 09:50 BST (UK)
This is a long thread with a lot of links so a lot to wade through
Is this the family?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Mountjoy/Richmond_St__North/15970/

Yes this is the family, but cant seem to trace Eileen and James gunning children roger and Jennifer
It's all driving me a bit mad emotionally lol, thank you
Eileen appears to be this birth without a first name, number 363
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1903/01860/1724793.pdf
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 25 June 19 10:38 BST (UK)
When and where did Eileen and James marry?

There are restrictions on more recent records for data protection.
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 25 June 19 10:46 BST (UK)
Is it possible Eileen was priviously married
There is a marriage in to Alfred O'Hely in 1922 the bride's father is Thomas and I'm fairly sure his occupation is Cutter, Eileen is noted as a minor which fits with a 1903 birth.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1922/09209/5331525.pdf

It looks like that Alfred didn't die until 1953.
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Yasminminette on Tuesday 25 June 19 12:16 BST (UK)
When and where did Eileen and James marry?

There are restrictions on more recent records for data protection.

It looks like they married in Birmingham 1947 and had son Roger gunning in 1947  thank you
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 25 June 19 12:35 BST (UK)
When and where did Eileen and James marry?

There are restrictions on more recent records for data protection.

It looks like they married in Birmingham 1947 and had son Roger gunning in 1947  thank you

We're not going to find anything on them in Ireland so, think the best thing you can do is get Roger's birth cert and/or his parents marriage cert.
The marriage cert will confirm Eileen's father's name and I'd expect his occupation.
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Yasminminette on Tuesday 25 June 19 12:43 BST (UK)
They should both arrive next week, are you on ancestry ?
Title: Re: Furlongs of Mountjoy Dublin
Post by: Sinann on Tuesday 25 June 19 16:21 BST (UK)
Ancestry, no, I'm not.