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Could someone with better eyes than mine work out what the address on this 1861 census form is?
I think it looks like Gumwin, but would like to be certain. The location is around Wendron in Cornwall, and appears to be the address of a farm, as the head is a farmer occupying 12 acres.
Thank you in advance.
A Chesters
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I believe it`s Gunwin :)
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Hi,
Looks like Gunwin to me. Have also come across another farm written as Gunwin Nansmorrin which was Helston Wendron area of Cornwall.
Sandra
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Looks like Gunwin to.me.
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Thank you all for your very prompt replies.
As I said originally, I thought it looked like Gunwin, but wanted to be certain before adding it to the records.
It helps to have other eyes look at something like this to be sure your eyes are seeing things correctly.
Again, many thanks for your interest and help.
AC
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There is still a North Gunwin Farm in the area.
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In the 6" 1888 - 1913 map it's shown as "Goonwin".
Regards
Malky
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A Chesters, I called the current owner of North Gunwin farm. He said that the original name would have been Goonwin ( from the Cornish Goon = Downs ) but has become Gunwin over the years. He said there were at one time three farms all close by and within sight of each other. North Gunwin and Lower Gunwin, both still farms and East Gunwin, now a private house. Noticing Alice's surname I asked about that and he said that there is a Gay's Hill not far from his farm. I don't know if that will be relevant but could be.
As to the other names. There is an 1857 marriage for St. Gluvias, not too far away. It's for a Martha Blee to John Mollard, yeoman farmer of Wendron. Both are widowed so could fit with the ages on the 1861 census.
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Thank you both for that information.
I think that the change from Goonwin to Gunwin in the census could easily have come about from the Cornish accent, as heard by the enumerator. I have gathered from other posts elsewhere that that is fairly common.
Seoras, that information is absolutely brilliant. John Mollard was the farmer of 12 acres in the census. I have only just started on the Gay thread, so will follow that up later. As for the Mollard's, as they were Alice's employers, I had not thought of following them, but it would be interesting to see how they fit into the Gay's family, other than as Alice's employers.
Once again, many thanks for all your help. I would not have thought to call the owner of the farm, and being in Australia, it would have been difficult to find out the relevant information to do so, and for that I am very grateful to you for taking the time and effort to do so.
AC
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No problem AC, I live in Cornwall so it was a bit easier for me :)
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Hi, I am at this very moment working on the ELLIS & GAY Family.
It would seem our Alice Ann GAY has disappeared? I have found no records after this 1861 Census.
1861 Census Place Wendron Cornwall
Piece: RG9/1569 Place: Helston -Cornwall Enumeration District: 2
Civil Parish: Wendron Ecclesiastical Parish: -
Folio: 21 Page: 15 Schedule: 60
Address: 66 Gunwin
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Nothing in the OPC for a; Marriage nor in Deaths...I have tried all variations of her name but still nothing matches? This is what I have and may be of help to you.
Alice Ann GAY
Baptisms Date: 12-Jan 1845
Mawgan in Meneage Record No: 2032325
Residence: Bougihere Common
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Father:
William GAY (1819—1856) Occ/ black smith [S/o Michael Occ/ Ag Labourer & Jane ]
Mrd: 16-Aug 1841
Parish or Reg Mawgan in Meneage
Record No: 952049
Both Residence of; Mawgan
Mother: Alice ELLIS (1816—____ (d. ?)
D/o Sampson ELLIS (1769—1841) & Alice TREWENNACK (1771—1857)
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Children of--Alice & William GAY Three daughters
1. Alice Ann GAY 1845—____ (mrd/d. ?)
2. Mary GAY (1848—1848)
3. Mary Hannah GAY (1852 —____ (mrd/d. ?) [Found a Poss/ Marriage to;Thomas John Miller PETERS b. 1851— Occ/ mariner But I am not sure?]
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Please let me know if this was of any help to you....you might have some extra info that may help me...from pulling out my hair!! :)
Kindest regards Mac15me
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Mac15me As it is not a direct line, I have not followed up on her. The brief information I do have is that she married John Huthnance 9 Aug 1862 at Helston in Cornwall.
1871 Census
RG10/Piece 2302/Folio: 44/Page 13
Registration Helston
Sub-registration Wendron
with children
Mary A Huthnance 8 Wendron
Elizabeth A Huthnance 6 Wendron
William J Huthnance 3 Crowan
Henry Huthnance 2 Crowan
In 1878 they migrated to New Zealand, to Canterbury, with the children.
He farmed in the Taranaki region for about 37 years.
John died 14 Sept 1930 at New Plymouth. I am not certain about Alice Ann's death but think it was about 1901
Hope this is of some help
AC
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Thank you so much for your reply AC
I shall have to follow this up and see if it is the same family?
Kindest regards, Mac15Me
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Alice was my great, great grandmother. She and John immigrated to Lyttleton, New Zealand, lived in Cust, Canterbury for a few years before moving to Koru, Taranaki. She died in 1901 and is buried in the cemetery at Omata, Taranaki, New Zealand.