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Census Lookups General Lookups => Census and Resource Discussion => Topic started by: MaxD on Friday 01 May 15 17:18 BST (UK)
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I have a suspicion that one or more of the EDs in a particular sub registration district may be missing from the Ancestry transcriptions. Where can I find a list of what EDs should be in a particular RD so I can compare this with what is on Ancestry?
maxD
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Which census? What enumeration district are you looking for? Perhaps we can find it for you.
You can search the National Archives catalogue like this (example 1861 census) to see what pages are missing:
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=%22missing+pages%22+RG+9
Ancestry lists for each census the piece numbers that are known to have problems (missing part or all). You can also use the 'Browse this Collection' option to see which EDs are available for a given parish. For example, the here are the missing pieces for the 1851 census:
http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=8860
Alexander
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Which census? What enumeration district are you looking for? Perhaps we can find it for you.
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and what country?
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Thank you both. I am looking at the 1891 England census for Oldham. FindMyPast, for which I don't have a current sub, has the people I am looking for but, as I'm sure you know, without a sub, one can't go further on to the image. However, I cannot find the same people on Ancestry in the same town so my first thought was that perhaps the Ancestry database wasn't complete. I hope this doesn't sound rude but I didn't want to ask for a look up, I prefer, at least initially, to ask for a steer and work it out myself, that way I can aspire to get as good as you two!
Ancestry doesn't seem to list any missing/problems with the 1891 unless I'm looking in the wrong place.
From the National Archives (Alexander) I can get down to the 2 reg sub districts in the town but,again unless it is me, I can't see a breakdown of EDs which I could compare with the Ancestry lists.
So, still need another push towards enlightenment!
maxD
It could of course also be a transcription problem!
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Hi
I've often found that FindMyPast is more accurate with its transcriptions than Ancestry so I'm going to guess that it's more likely that Ancestry has come up with a completely off-the-wall transcription than the pages are missing
If you can let us know what you can from the FindMyPast entry then we might be able to find it. Also those with subscriptions to both might be better able to see what Ancestry might have transcribed it as
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OK, re-reviewing your post, I think what you would like is that, if it is a mistranscription, you would prefer to be told what Ancestry has transcribed it as rather than just the details of the record
Is that right?
Or maybe, just be told yes, it is on Ancestry, try harder?
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Can you get where you want by using procat at TNA?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/browse/r/h/C131891
Pauline
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I'll contribute my twopenn'orth for what it's worth. I'm fairly sure there are parts of Westmorland missing from the Ancestry 1851 census records (eg, Dufton). I've raised this with them in the past but never had a satisfactory answer.
Jolyon
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maxD - have you tried your local library - many of them now have access to FindMyPast!
Ancestry show 37 enumeration districts, plus Working Men's Home for Oldham Above Town
53 plus Union Workhouse and Wellocks Lodging House for Oldham Below Town
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I prefer, at least initially, to ask for a steer and work it out myself,
We can only really give you a steer to find it on ancestry if we know who it is you have found on FindMyPast
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Sorry to keep all you very helpful folk waiting for a reply, early night last night!
PaulineJ - Had looked at the NA. Only gives the subseries within the Oldham Reg Dist that I can't correlate with the EDs.
BumbleB - Didn't try the library for a look at the FindMyPast data, thanks for that idea.
To those who kindly volunteered to cross check FindMyPast against Ancestry, here is what I am looking for. Just to clarify, I find them listed on FindMyPast but cannot find them on Ancestry.
Surname Green. All born Oldham and living Oldham. Names John 1834, Mary 1832, (both born Keighley) Alice M 1870, Annie A 1873 )both born Oldham). Another family member Percy C 1876 IS findable on both sites, he living with Uncle and Aunt so not with siblings.
Thanks for help so far.
maxD
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Well, I couldn't find the piece number in an Ancestry search, so yes, it may be missing
The details in the FindMyPast census record I found differs from your description though. I'll leave that for your trip to the library :)
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Oh, and if I'm looking at the right record, there's a 15yo Percy C in it as well
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Thanks StevieSteve, I mentioned had got Percy on Ancestry. Off to the library now.
Max
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I obviously didn't explain myself well enough, but you'll see what I meant at the library... :)
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In case it helps ....
You can find a list of districts with SD, RD ED for the 1911 census here:
RootsChat Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/index.php) => 1911 Census districts (click here) (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/reflib-c1911-districts.php)
regards,
Bob
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Thanks Bob, noted for possible future reference.
StevieSteve - back from the library, our county doesn't have FindMyPast!
I think I've exhausted all the DIY methods (short of taking a FindMyPast sub) so perhaps I could take advantage of kind offers of look ups made earlier? See edit earlier post. John and Mary were born Keighley!
maxD
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In case it helps ....
You can find a list of districts with SD, RD ED for the 1911 census here:
RootsChat Reference Library (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/index.php) => 1911 Census districts (click here) (http://surname.rootschat.com/lexicon/reflib-c1911-districts.php)
General info. - not just for Max :) - but I'll use his example of Oldham ....
If I enter Oldham in the search fbox, I get 3 entries, all from RD469. This is also a link, and if I click here, I get 7 entries. So if I can't find someone directly in Oldham, then I might just find them nearby ...
regards,
Bob
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Pieces 3303 and 3304 are missing entirely from Ancestry for some reason. The Greens are in piece 3304 (folio 24, page 42).
Alexander
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Yes, what I've not found agrees with Alexander
Always good to find out the reason that you couldn't find something is because it wasn't there
So, it must be time for the look-up
Oldham, 8 Bath St
John Green Head Married Male 57 Mechanical Engineer Keighley, Yorkshire (FindMyPast transcribes age as 51)
Mary Green Wife Married Female 59 Keighley, Yorkshire
Alice M Green Daughter Single Female 21 Oldham, Lancashire, England
Annie A Green Daughter Single Female 18 1873 Dressmaker Oldham, Lancashire
Percy C Green Son Single Male 15 1876 Mechanical Draughtsman Oldham, Lancashire,
Harry Hall Son In Law Married Male 22 Iron Founder Oldham, Lancashire
Mary S Hall Wife Married Female 22 Oldham, Lancashire, England
Florence M Hall Daughter - Female ? Oldham, Lancashire (I'd say less than 1 yr old but can't read months/weeks)
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Fellow Rootschatters
Thank you both very much indeed for an embarrassment of riches. The folk are indeed exactly who I wanted to find and give me confirmation of something I had suspected but couldn't prove (long story). I shall in due course report the missing pieces to Ancestry, As you say StevieSteve, always good to keep digging if you can't find something that should be there! Was this an known unknown perhaps?
Alexander. I have replied to your PM but got 2 reports, one saying message successfully sent, the next saying unsuccessful because your inbox is full? I replied incidentally before I saw StevieSteve's post.
thanks again both
maxD