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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: sunflower on Tuesday 05 May 15 18:51 BST (UK)
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John Coates was born in Beverley in 1793. I've found him in 1841 census aged 45 living in Hull with wife Mary born 1801, Daughters Jane 1831 & Elizabeth 1834
Sons Robert 1835, Richard 1838 & George 1840
In 1861 he is still living in Hull aged 67 with wife Mary aged 61
I can't seem to find him in the 1851 census
Thanks
Carol
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Which children have you found in 1851, so we can rule them out of living with him?
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Possibility for 1851 - the father John would not be at home though ??? HO107 Piece 2360 Folio 647 Page: 15 - Drypool Kingston Upon Hull
Mary Coates 31 Born 1820 Lockington, Yorkshire. Watermans Wife.
Richard Coates 12 Born Drypool Hull, Yorkshire
Ann Coates 7 Born Hull, Yorkshire
Sandra
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The above would fit with this 1841 Family in Drypool Hull.
HO107 Piece 1221 Book 5
John Coates 45 Mary Coates 40
Jane Coates 10 Elizabeth Coates 8
Robert Coates 6 Richard Coates 3
George Coates 1
Sandra
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Possibility for 1851 - the father John would not be at home though ??? HO107 Piece 2360 Folio 647 Page: 15 - Drypool Kingston Upon Hull
Mary Coates 31 Born 1820 Lockington, Yorkshire. Watermans Wife.
Richard Coates 12 Born Drypool Hull, Yorkshire
Ann Coates 7 Born Hull, Yorkshire
Sandra
I think that's the family Sandra. In 1861 John is described as a mariner, so possibly he was at sea when the census was taken.
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I can't find George Coates in 1851, but I can't see a death either.
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I can't find George Coates in 1851, but I can't see a death either.
This was the birth of George Coates - 15 October 1840 Drypool Hull.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVTV-QD9
There was a possible death redg for George Coates - Sculcoates - December 1842 - 22 - 307 and another in March 1844 - 22-368
(of course no ages so hard to tell if either belonged to this family)
Sandra
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Possibility for a death of John Coates - in Q1 Jan/Feb/Mar 1869 - Hull Yorkshire (East Riding) - 9d 128 (aged 75 years)
Sandra
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Thanks very much everyone. It's very much appreciated.
Carol
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You're very welcome. Have you traced the remainder of the family ???
Sandra
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John was a Master Mariner they could have been at sea. It was not unusual for the wife to go to sea with the husband.
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Hi Sandra
No I haven't traced any others. My line runs from John Coates born 1825 in Beverley to John & Mary.
The problem is there are two marriages around that time for John Coates & Mary - one in Hull in 1820 and one in Beverley in 1824. I was hoping that finding them in 1851 may give clues.
Thanks for the interest
Carol
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Given that Mary is fairly consistant that she comes from Lockington which is only about 6 miles from Beverley, it could be the Beverley marriage.
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Hang on the 1851 I posted has Mary's age wrong - she should be older than 31 years ???
Would like to make it 51 but it defo looks like a 3 on the image ::) The place name Lockington is the same as on the 1861 though - wonder if this is the correct family and an error on Mary's age ???
Sandra
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I had originally discarded that 1851 census because of the wrong age, but in the light of nothing better, it looks most likely, and an error on the part of the enumerator.
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Hi Sandra
No I haven't traced any others. My line runs from John Coates born 1825 in Beverley to John & Mary.
The problem is there are two marriages around that time for John Coates & Mary - one in Hull in 1820 and one in Beverley in 1824. I was hoping that finding them in 1851 may give clues.
Thanks for the interest
Carol
You didn't mention John in the list of children in the original post but I can see there is a christening record for him at St John & St Martin Beverley 17 April 1825
Started looking for other children because your list started in 1831 which left a gap of 6 years between John and the birth of Jane.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N1LL-YLV
Other were -
Mary Coates - 22 April 1821 St John & St Martin - Beverley - parents John and Mary
If Mary was one of there children it would perhaps point to the 1820 marriage ???
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVTX-L4C
Thomas Coates - 10 April 1829 St John & St Martin - Beverley - parents John and Mary
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5VC-V4M
Do you think William Christopher Coates (26 December 1922 St Mary & St Nicholas at Beverley) may also have been a child of your John and Mary ??? He could be the odd one out - others were baptised at St John & St Martin, same as John Coates. Parents John and Mary.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWJ3-T42
Perhaps they had moved to Kingston Upon Hull by the time Jane was born - there is a baptism 25 May 1831 St Mary Kingston Upon Hull
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3KW-1MR
The later children Richard - 10 June 1838 and George Coates at - 15 October 1840 were both at Drypool York.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVTV-JHW
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NVTV-QD9
Still puzzling
Sandra
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Drypool York.
Drypool is Hull isn't it rather than York?
I'm just wondering why if they both came from Beverley or near there, and their older children were born there, why they would marry in Hull? You need to get one of the children's birth certificates to find Mary's maiden name.
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Its a strange mix groom - isn't it - that's why I tried to go through the children's baptisms.
Sandra
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Also strange place for a sailor to live as Beverley is inland. Perhaps they moved to Hull when he became a mariner.
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Also strange place for a sailor to live as Beverley is inland. Perhaps they moved to Hull when he became a mariner.
Not really, there was a ship yard at Beverley, ships were launched sideways into the River Hull.
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There was something called the Beverley Beck which ran into the River Hull. Beverley Beck was tidal.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beverley_Beck
Sandra
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Thanks everyone for your help on this one.
I will try to get details from both marriages to see if there are any clues. John may have been married twice or different couple
Carol