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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Topic started by: belindy on Sunday 10 May 15 05:06 BST (UK)
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I have my grandmothers birth certificate and I have a question about it.
She was born 1918 in St Pancras, London.
Under Name, Surname of mother it says: Dorothy May Barnes of no occupation, 44 Mountain Street, Wellington.
Under Signature and residence of informant it says: D.M Barnes 19 Argyle Street, St Pancras.
Is it normal to have 2 different addresses?
Also how could I find out if nana was adopted by her biological father(she was illegitimate).
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Hi
Birth certificates I have from that period only have 2 addresses, Col 1 which shows where born, and Col 7 which has the address of the Informant. The column for mothers name does not ask for address. The only thing I can think of is that she moved between the birth and registration and included her former address in addition to her name.
Andy
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It says under where born: 19 Argyle Street.
I can't work out why the NZ address has been recorded.....
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So Mountain Street, Wellington is a NZ address? There are several places named Wellington in the UK so I assumed it was one of those and it was not unusual for a single mother to give birth away from her usual residence. What was she doing in the UK?
Andy
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The strange thing is there is no Mountain Street in Wellington, NZ!!!
According to her English marriage certificate she was born in London....
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English marriage certificates didn't show where born, they only had the address where she was living when she married. When and who did she marry?
Andy
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Sorry make that her death certificate.
She married a NZ soldier-Robert Charles Milligan in 1919.
The story was that nanas biological father was killed in action when Dorothy May was pregnant with her and her mum married Mr Milligan when she was 9 months old.
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Also how could I find out if nana was adopted by her biological father(she was illegitimate).
If her biological father was killed in action, then that couldn't have happened.
If you have her birth cert from the GRO and she had been officially adopted in England & Wales, there should be an annotation on the right hand side after the last column.
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Also how could I find out if nana was adopted by her biological father(she was illegitimate).
If her biological father was killed in action, then that couldn't have happened.
If you have her birth cert from the GRO and she had been officially adopted in England & Wales, there should be an annotation on the right hand side after the last column.
There was no formal adoption until 1927 when the 1936 Adoption Act came into force.
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I have done extensive searches for the "biological" father M.V Barnes but I have found no record of him.
I think he was made up to cover the fact that she was illegitimate and her real father is the man who later married her mum.
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Could it be Mountain Road, Mount Wellington, Auckland, or does the street just no longer exist?
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Is a "father's" name shown on the birth certificate?
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There is a Dorothy May Barnes born in 1898 in Dunedin, New Zealand with mother Agnes and father Henry William? But await the original poster's reply as to who her parents are? And another in Nelson in 1901 to parents Emma Bessie and Alfred William.
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Looks like burial at Anderson's Bay, Dunedin, NZ and born about 1893. Died 14 April 1940, Dunedin. Married. Native of England. Husband Robert Milligan.
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This must be the immigration record:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12573-2913-11?cc=1609792
I realise you may have all this, but just trying to work it out.
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The 1919 marriage certificate for Dorothy May Barnes would name her father which would help identify her birth.
Andy
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This must be the immigration record:
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.3.1/TH-267-12573-2913-11?cc=1609792
I realise you may have all this, but just trying to work it out.
The emigration record from the UK has their last address as 19 Argyle Street,Kings Cross London NW
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This was reported in a number of NZ newspapers in 1922:
http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=AS19220726.2.42&srpos=5&e=-------10--1----0%22robert++milligan%22--
I see Robert Milligan was born in Dunedin in 1894 and died in Auckland, NZ in 1968:
http://waitakere.govt.nz/cnlser/cm/cemeterysearch/cemeterydetails.aspx?id=84760
Still wondering about the original question and whether the street could actually be in Auckland re Reply#10? Otherwise wondering what the connection to Wellington would be, which makes it seem more likely perhaps Robert was her father. Not sure otherwise what English, London-born? Dorothy's connection would be to NZ at that stage.
And what her maiden name definitely is? Tried to look on Free BMD, but lots of Dorothy May's born in London around 1892-1894. No Dorothy May Barnes. Two Dorothy Barnes. Looked at the NZ births in case the born in London, England bit was falsely given by an informant.
Unfortunately the 1919 marriage isn't on the London England Marriages and Banns 1754 - 1921, so agree re the certificate for finding out her father who is. Hopefully it is listed.
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The strange thing is there is no Mountain Street in Wellington, NZ!!!
According to her English marriage certificate she was born in London....
You already have this, I have just realised ??? Or do you?
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So is this your nan's birth registration?
Births Sep 1918
Barnes Dorothy C M mothers maiden name Barnes in Pancras 1b 50
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I have my grandmothers birth certificate and I have a question about it.
She was born 1918 in St Pancras, London.
Under Name, Surname of mother it says: Dorothy May Barnes of no occupation, 44 Mountain Street, Wellington.
Under Signature and residence of informant it says: D.M Barnes 19 Argyle Street, St Pancras.
Is it normal to have 2 different addresses?
Also how could I find out if nana was adopted by her biological father(she was illegitimate).
Failing my suggestion for the NZ address: have you tried contacting the Wellington City Council re an Historic Map look up: http://wellington.govt.nz/your-council/archives/whats-in-the-archives/historic-thomas-ward-maps?
Wouldn't have thought they would change the name of a street next to a Mountain though ??? :)
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Multiple other posts made by Belindy on this topic:
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22robert+charles+milligan%22+site:www.rootschat
Always good to let people know things like this so we don't waste our time.
Modified: Sorry- the link didn't work.
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Multiple other posts made by Belindy on this topic:
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22robert+charles+milligan%22+site:www.rootschat
Always good to let people know things like this so we don't waste our time.
That link doesn't work?
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Try this one,it's an old one but does have some more info about the family in it.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=151719.msg699251#msg699251
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Multiple other posts made by Belindy on this topic:
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=%22robert+charles+milligan%22+site:www.rootschat
Always good to let people know things like this so we don't waste our time.
That link doesn't work?
Just add .com to the end.
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Thank you all for your help.
There is no fathers name recorded on her birth certificate.
As far as I know the only link Dorothy May had to NZ was her husband Robert....
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Thank you all for your help.
There is no fathers name recorded on her birth certificate.
As far as I know the only link Dorothy May had to NZ was her husband Robert....
It's the 1919 marriage cert we need more info on please.
Father's name's,job's,addresses,witnesses names.
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Her age was 26 and condition spinster. Father was Charles George Barnes and his occupation was Commercial Traveler.
Her residence was 19 Argyle St, W.C.
Witnesses were Ada Denham nee Lewis and Esther Field nee Lewzey.
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Marr Dec 1898
Denham, Alfred, Pancras 1b 283
Lewis, Ada, Pancras 1b 283
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1913 electoral register 19 Argyle Street, South St Pancras
William Joseph Lewsey
Esther is there in 1918
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The strange thing is there is no Mountain Street in Wellington, NZ!!!
According to her English marriage certificate she was born in London....
Just throwing in - for what it's worth - there is a Mount Street in Wellington NZ!
Jeanne
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Hi
Googling shows many topics on various websites re Dorothy May Barnes and on at least one there is some conflicting information. Could you confirm which column is the address 44 Mountain Street, Wellington.?
Was the birth certificate obtained from the GRO or the Local Register Office and how clear is the writing? Apart from several places named Wellington in England there are also places with similar names such as Wallington.
Whilst her death certificate says Dorothy May Barnes was born in London don't rule out other locations. I was born in England but if you ask my family here in Australia where I was born most would say a particular large city when I was actually born a few miles away in a different county. That is because when I'm asked where I'm from nobody has heard of the place so I say near (large city). Eventually near becomes from.
Andy