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Title: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: mythreestars on Wednesday 13 May 15 15:31 BST (UK)
I've been at my search now for about a month, and it has been a fascinating journey so far. I have located my great-great grandparents - John (Johann) Tatomir and Rose Tatomir both born in the late 1800's.  Birthplace Iwankoutz, Bukovina Ukraine.

I have been trying to track their journeys and have had an easier go of it with John.  They also travelled with three small children.

What I really need help with is the passage of Rose (Frozina on document) Tatomir [/b]who left on July 1st 1922, and landed in Quebec, Canada. 

From other border crossings I have learned that she came on a ship called the Monatosa, but am unable to find that ship at all for that time period. It could be a spelling error?

Their records would be for Ocean Arrivals Form 30A

There are also records for their children who somehow ended up going to St. John's New Brunswick.
Their names are Omsijor,  Eugene, and Agnesie  Tatomir.  If anyone can help me their records also I would be so greatful!!

Thank you for your time, and so glad I came across this site today!
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: heatherjulie on Wednesday 13 May 15 16:44 BST (UK)
Is this record connected to your family?

Rosina Tatomir
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 19 Jan 1931
Event Place Detroit, Wayne, Michigan, United States
Gender Female
Age:   45
Nationality Canada
Birth Year (Estimated) 1886





Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: mythreestars on Wednesday 13 May 15 17:02 BST (UK)
Thank you for your response.

Yes this is a border crossing that she made with her husband /daughter in law from Canada to Michigan to visit a friend in 1931. I have already been able to view this document.

I am trying to get to the record of her actual immigration/ship passage to Canada where she entered into the Quebec port - July 1922.  Also that of her three children.  I am unable to view Canadian records, or at least I haven't found a way to as of yet.
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: jchristopht on Wednesday 10 November 21 02:06 GMT (UK)
I am one of your Canadian family members. We have the same grand parents. Please let me know how I can get ahold of you as I have things to tell you and I'm sure you have family history to tell me. How can I reach you? I saw this post now but am new to this site, could someone out there help me find the original poster? We are long lost family. Thanks
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: jchristopht on Wednesday 10 November 21 02:13 GMT (UK)
mythreestars I am a family member of your long lost family in Canada we share the same grandparents I have being looking for this close of a connection for a long time to them. This is a old post so I hope you respond. I'd there anyone out there who could help me get in contact with the poster? I'm sure we have alot to share about our strongly connected family history. Anyone out there who can help Is appreciated.
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: sarah on Wednesday 10 November 21 10:29 GMT (UK)
Hello jchristopht,

Now that you have replied to mythreestars topic they will be notified by email of your reply.

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: jchristopht on Wednesday 10 November 21 14:31 GMT (UK)
Hi Sarah thanks for the response. I am wondering with the original poster who is my close long lost relative. They havnt posted in years and did a total of 2 posts so I'm not sure if they will ever check if there is a response to their years old post. Do you or would anyone on this site have any idea about anyway I could do some research so I can get in contact with the original poster? I have alot of information to share with them but am not sure if they will see this years later response. Anyone out there who can help me with this would be appreciated. Thanks
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 11 November 21 07:13 GMT (UK)
some names for your list

https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?size=10&sexe=&nom=tatomir&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Canada&country__0__=CAN&region__0__=&subregion__0__=&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=&region__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=&region__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=&region__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=&region__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: jchristopht on Thursday 11 November 21 15:01 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the response is appreciated.
If anyone has any other information on how to get in contact with original Tatomir poster please let me know.

I share same family and am new to genealogy. If anyone out there can help me find information about Tatomir and connected family between period of 1700-1920 that would really help me out In my search.

I seem to find some missing years and time inbetween rest of family coming with Johann/John Tatomir. Is there any way to know if he was either interned in the camps in Canada or registered as a enemy alien citizen in Canada during WW1? Or if or when he served in ww1 as well? I think some Ukrainians did do both during that period, govt records are mostly erased on the camps  so it makes it tough to find out.

I also see records of other people names Tatomir in that region who stayed after Johann left and were mistreated/killed by Nazis and USSR as Jews it seems possibly.

Since I'm newer to this if anyone could help me find this information would be appreciated.

Is there any Jewish connections with the Tatomir or connected family? Since I see other people names Tatomir in that area have files in the concentration camps as Jews it makes it hard to know for sure as my family seemed to be religiously Christian, anyone who knows any information about this would be appreciated.

How would I find out the address of the Tatomir home in Ukraine itself? I'm sure that their home address changed different languages I'm guessing so is probably tough to know what new number and street name would be. Does anyone know how I would find out what their home address would be or any other Tatomir and connected family related info when they were in Canada between 1913-1921 as well as before that when they were in Ukraine?

I'm new to this so whatever help or information people can give me at all would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: garstonite on Thursday 11 November 21 15:19 GMT (UK)
my father in law was from Rohatyn ,Ukraine - his religion was Greek Orthadox - their church was Greek Orthadox and according to my wife the vast majority in that area were Greek Orthadox ??
try
https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/Ukraine_Online_Genealogy_Records

good luck

ADDED - There was a Jewish community in Rohatyn 
https://rohatynjewishheritage.org/en/history/timeline-early-years/
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: Maiden Stone on Thursday 11 November 21 19:58 GMT (UK)
some names for your list

https://en.geneanet.org/fonds/individus/?size=10&sexe=&nom=tatomir&ignore_each_patronyme=&prenom=&prenom_operateur=or&ignore_each_prenom=&place__0__=&zonegeo__0__=Canada&country__0__=CAN&region__0__=&subregion__0__=&place__1__=&zonegeo__1__=&country__1__=&region__1__=&subregion__1__=&place__2__=&zonegeo__2__=&country__2__=&region__2__=&subregion__2__=&place__3__=&zonegeo__3__=&country__3__=&region__3__=&subregion__3__=&place__4__=&zonegeo__4__=&country__4__=&region__4__=&subregion__4__=&type_periode=between&from=&to=&exact_month=&exact_day=&exact_year=&go=1

Link includes some obituaries/death notices from this century which include names of relatives.

4 other RootsChat boards with advice, tips and sources which may help your research are "Canada", "Europe", "Immigrants and Emigrants" and "Other Countries". Each board has an information section, followed by a list of threads. Select "Forum" from headings above this thread to access Forum contents page. Scroll down past U.K. countries.
Another section to look at is under "Help" tab. Select topics "Getting the best from RootsChat" and "Guidelines for posting" from menu. The latter has links to tips on searching for living people.
If you haven't already done so, add Tatomir to "Surname Interests". It's under "Your Tools" in brown section at the bottom of the page.

Is there a Ukrainian association and a Ukrainian family history society in your country?

There are general guides for people starting out on family history.   
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: jchristopht on Saturday 13 November 21 14:38 GMT (UK)
Thank you for this info it has helped.
Anyone else out there who knows anythin more about Johann/John Tatomir and other related family history feel free to let me know.

I am trying to find the past as well as through historic language changes current address of where Johann/John Tatomir owned property/house or address where he lived/was born. Would be really interesting to do a bit of a street view to see the exact place!

Anyone who can find that for me or at least help me out with what property he owned or address he lived especially in new language of today so I can find now would be appreciated. Thanks
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: Svenja on Sunday 14 November 21 03:20 GMT (UK)
Hi

Did you already find the Canadian Census entries of 1916, 1921, 1926, the passenger manifests and the border crossings or the personnel records of WWI? You should find all this records online on "Library and Archives Canada".

Canadian Census
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/Pages/census.aspx

Immigration
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/Pages/introduction.aspx

Military Heritage
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/Pages/military-heritage.aspx

First World War
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/Pages/introduction.aspx

At least the passenger manifest but maybe also the census entries could contain information which is important to know to find traces of the family in Ukraine.

Regards

Svenja
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: jchristopht on Sunday 14 November 21 05:29 GMT (UK)
The main information I'm looking for is their registration records of being classified as enemy aliens in Canada during WW1 period as well as any information related to some missing time during that period which seems very probable Johann Tatomir was interned or at least registered as a enemy alien, highly likely but govt erased the records of this for the most part so it's tough to find more evidence.

If anyone out there knows how I could find the records of the possible WW1 Ukrainian internment/enemy alien registration records would be appreciated. 

Other main info I'm looking for is any info about what address Johann Tatomir owned or resided in before he left for Canada including both previous language street name and modern street name.

There seems to be many Tatomirs as well as many other people from the village area my grandpa were in that were killed or sent to concentration camps during ww2. Even people who due to past history of forced conversions forgot they had Jewish ancestry those individuals were still classified and treated as Jews by Nazis and allies same Jewish classification and treatment from my research was also done to same people in the village area by USSR. Many Jewish people I. That area after forced conversions and discrimination hid their faith for safety etc but we're still found out in future by Nazis anyways including different very possible Tatomir members of my family.

I am looking for more direct links and evidence to all this information and questions I'm mentioning so if anyone at all can help me find these items of info I'm mentioning specifically would be greatly appreciated as I am newer to this.

Does anyone know what happened to the other more closely related Tatomirs or connected families after or before my family left? I can't seem to find alot of concrete info but if anyone at all can help me and my family out with this we would be so thankful.
Title: Re: Searching for Tatomir ancestors from the Ukraine
Post by: Svenja on Sunday 14 November 21 15:16 GMT (UK)
Hi

I can't help you if you don't answer my questions. I need to know what place of birth or place of origin and religion/confession of your ancestors ist mentionned on Canadian documents. If you have to research people who came from the Ukraine it is important to know if they considered themselfs as Austrians, Galicians, Germans, Ukrainians, Rutheniens in the Canadian Census. Because this gives a clue to which area of the Ukraine they came from and in which archives, websites, databases in/of the Ukraine you have to do some further research.

You mention that you did some research but you don't mention where you did do your research and which kinds of records you already found there. Did you search on "Library and Archives Canada" or on familysearch or on ancestry or on JewishGen or on the "Arolsen Archives Online"?

Jewish Gen has indexed metrical records of Poland, Galicia and Ukraine and they also have a huge database with different kinds of Holocaust records. The "Arolsen Archives Online" also have many records of Jews who were deported to concentration camps but they also have many records about Ukrainian (Polish, Russian) forced laborers and displaced persons. Some of the records of the "Arolsen Archives Online" you can also find on ancestry, but you will find more records on their own website.

Regards

Svenja