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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: itsmaggie on Thursday 14 May 15 11:21 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for George McIntosh, born about 1799 in Edinburgh and his wife, Isabella Williams, born 16 September 1806 in Haddington. They are recorded living at Caprington Castle, near Riccarton, in the 1841 and the 1851 census. I have no further information on either their parents or their marriage or deaths.
They had children, George b 1827, Henry b 1829, Jane 1831 and Helen b 24 February 1833.
Does anyone have any information that may help? Many thanks if you have.
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Hi,
Two records that may help from http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
1826 George McIntosh married Isabella Williams Canongate, Edinburgh
1888 Isabella McIntosh, other name Williams, birth year 1806, died Lanarkshire
The death cert will give you Isabella's parents, if known by the informant.
brigau
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Baptism 18 September 1806 Haddington East Lothian
Isabelle Williams
Father Mark Anthony Williams
Mother Jean Wilson
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Is this Isabella McIntosh in the 1881 census Civil Parish Paisley Abbey Johstone Renfrewshire
Isabella McIntosh b 1807 Haddn, Haddington age 74 housewife
Ellen McIntosh b 1869 Stevenson Ayrshire age 12 scholar granddaughter
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hello again,
I believe George & Isabella's son, George, (born 1827) moved to Dundee? Not sure if you already have this info from family search:
1848 George McIntosh married Charlotte McDonald 21 July, Dundee, Angus
Their children:
John b. 7 May 1856 Dundee
William b. 7 Apr 1858 Dundee
David b. 28 Aug 1862 Dundee
Elizabeth b. 2 Jan 1865 Dundee
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As Brigau said 1 match on Scotlands people for a death for a Isabella McIntosh other name Williams ..
Is this Isabella in the 1871 census at Paisley Abbey Johnstone Renfrewshire
Alexander McKinlock age 39
Jane McKinlock age 40 b Edinburgh
Alexander McKinlock 15 b Kilmarnock Ayrshire
Jane 10 b Kilmarnock
George 8 born Ayrshire
Mack W 5 born Stevenson probably Mark
Harlow 3 b Stevenson daughter ?
Charles F age 8 months b Johnstone
Isabella McKinlock b 1805 Haddington age 66 mother in law
Margaret McMaster age 16 servant employee
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You most probably have this also
Death for Helen Christie b 1834 died age 72 1906
Welshpool Victoria
Father Geo McIntosh
Mother Isabella Williams
Immigration year 1884 Melbourne
There are a few deaths for a George McIntosh in the old Parish death records but they are all in Edinburgh and as George was in Ayrshire on the 1851 census most likely not him ..His wife on her own in the 1861 census at 3, Langlands Street Kilmarnock Ayrshire
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Hello all,
The information from Rosie17. regarding Alexander McKinlock, and wife Jane, should i would have thought read McIntosh, instead of McKinlock, because all the births of their children are correct and in the correct destinations only under Alexander McIntosh, and his wife Jane McIntosh, including a daughter Jane Mcintosh, also a Mark Williams Mcintosh, and a Helen Mcintosh, etc.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Hello All,
The 1881 census Chain Road, Abbey, Renfrew,
Alexander Macintosh, Head, U. Station Master, age 28 years, M. born Beansburn, Ayrshire,
Jane Macintosh, Sister, U. age 20 years, F. born Kilmarnock, Ayr,
George H. Macintosh, Brother, Railway Clerk, U. age 17 years, M. born Old Cumnock, Ayr.
Mark Williams Macintosh, Brother, App. Engineer, U. age 15 years, M. born Stevenson, Ayr,
Charles F. Macintosh, Brother, Scholar, age 10 years, M. born Johnstone, Renfrew,
Lousia Macintosh, Sister, Scholar, age 8 years, F. born Johnstone, Renfrew.
The parents, Alexander Macintosh, and his wife Jane Macitosh, are no where in sight, however these young people are all living close to the Isabella Mcintosh, and her granddaughter Helen Mcintosh, in the census provided by Rosie17.
Regards,
Jonn.
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Hello all,
The information from Rosie17. regarding Alexander McKinlock, and wife Jane, should i would have thought read McIntosh, instead of McKinlock, because all the births of their children are correct and in the correct destinations only under Alexander McIntosh, and his wife Jane McIntosh, including a daughter Jane Mcintosh, also a Mark Williams Mcintosh, and a Helen Mcintosh, etc.
Regards,
Jonn.
Yes it is a transcription error :)
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A bit more on that immigration & Australian death record spotted by Rosie:
Helen McIntosh married Robert Christie 1860 at Kilmarnock, Ayr. He was an Ironmonger by trade, 1871 in Glasgow and 1881 in Edinburgh. Evidently widowed by 1884, Helen left as an unassisted migrant with her three youngest children aboard the Loch Katrine, arriving Melbourne, Vic., Feb 1884. No other Christie or McIntosh on board.
CHRISTIE, HELEN, 52, FEB 1884, LOCH KATRINE
CHRISTIE, HENRY, 14, FEB 1884, LOCH KATRINE
CHRISTIE, ISABELLA, 15, FEB 1884 LOCH KATRINE
CHRISTIE, WILLIAM, 19, FEB 1884, LOCH KATRINE
brigau
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I don't know where to begin with all of you helping with so much information. Thank you all.
Br1gau - I can see that I may have to get into Scotlands People to get the OPR and especially the death certificate
No I didn't have the info re George (born 1827) moving to Dundee etc. This is a brand new area for me here. I saw he was an Engineer's Clerk. That's a jump going over there unless he was involved in the fishing. On the other hand, George, the father together with Isabella, moved over the country to employment at Caprington. I was wondering if he (George senior) was already employed at Prestonfield in Edinburgh. I've discovered a connection between Prestonfield and Caprington re the Cunninghames who seemed to have their feet in both houses so maybe they just 'brought staff over' or something.
Re the emigration of Helen, Henry, Isabella and William.....Now that we know where George is, I wonder where the other brother, Robert Christie, got to. He may have gone to Dundee as well since he was an Engineer's iron turner.
Rosie17......Thank you for your digging as well. Isabelle's mother being a Wilson has opened another can for me as my maiden name was Wilson. My dad was born in that area as well.
"Is this Isabella McIntosh in the 1881 census Civil Parish Paisley Abbey Johstone Renfrewshire
Isabella McIntosh b 1807 Haddn, Haddington age 74 housewife
Ellen McIntosh b 1869 Stevenson Ayrshire age 12 scholar granddaughter"
This one is food for thought. Thank you for this.
Re the 1871 Census with the McKintocks (Mcintosh)....I don't know if this is connected . This would mean that the Alexander mentioned is Isabella's son. The age is right, together with Isabella etc but the name isn't but I'm not discounting it.
jonn - You are swaying me re the above Alexander. He has to be connected especially with Isabella being nearby. Thank you as well.
I'm wondering also who the original George's parents were.
I'm taking a while to absorb all this information. It's a never ending thing isn't it?
Cheers from Australia,
Maggie
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Re the emigration of Helen, Henry, Isabella and William.....Now that we know where George is, I wonder where the other brother, Robert Christie, got to. He may have gone to Dundee as well
This Robert Christie married Helen McIntosh are we getting confused here ..he is in the census forms as said in previous post's 1861 -1881
There is 1 Match for a death for Robert Christie b 1831 in 1882 Midlothian which would seem about right going by the immigration record for Helen Christie ( McIntosh )
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There is Henry McIntosh transported to Tasmania 18/12/1845 conviction date 5/11/1845 Edinburgh 7years
Marriage Henry McIntosh 1854 Victoria to Fanny Mardon
Death for a Henry McIntosh b about 1827 died age 32 1859 Victoria
Father George Mother Isabella ?
Might be worth checking out
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Regarding the 1871 census McKinlock /McIntosh it appears to me that Jane McIntosh married Alexander Mackintosh 16/7/1857 Kilmarnock ..So this is Isabella's daughter on the census form it says spouse of Jane Alexander ..mother Isabella
1861 Census Thornhill Station Dumfrieshire
Alexander Mackintosh b 1832 Edinburgh station master
Jane Mackintosh b 1831 Edinburgh wife
Alexander Mackintosh b 1858 Kilmarnock
Isabella Mackintosh b 1859 Morton Dumfrieshire
Jane Mackintosh b 1861 Kilmarnock
Birth for Isabella Mary Mackintosh 17/2/1859 Morton by Thornhill Dumfries
Father Alexander Mackintosh
Mother Jane Mackintosh
The Ellen McIntosh with Isabella in the 1881 census ( granddaughter )
Birth Helen Mackintosh 25/4/1868 Stevenson Ayr
Father Alexander Mackintosh
Mother Jane McIntosh
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The family of Alexander Mackintosh and Jane McIntosh are in the later census forms no parent's
This might be possible deaths different variation of the surname
Alexander Mackintosh given a birth year of 1832 1 death match1881 Renfrew Scotlands People
Jane McIntosh same birth year 1 death match Renfrew 1876
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Such a lot of information flowing on this family, Wow, you have been busy Rosie!
Maggie, I didn't realise that you're in Au, so you probably already have info on Helen, however her Will from prov vic fills in some of the gaps. Their site can be a bit cumbersome to use, send me your e-mail in a PM should you want the two pdf files forwarded.
The gist of the Will is that Helen died Intestate. Probate was granted to the son, Henry McIntosh Christie of Welshpool, Farmer. Helen Christie’s other children were Robert Christie of Deptford, England; George Christie of London, England; William O Christie of Brunswick, Victoria, and Isabella Moncrieff of Kanowna WA. Helen’s husband, Robert Christie having died in Scotland in 1882
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Henry M Christie, Overseer of Welshpool, Vic died 30 Apr 1949. From the Argus, Melbourne, 9 June 1949:
HENRY MCINTOSH CHRISTIE, Late of Welshpool. Retired Overseer. Deceased. -After 14 clear days THE TRUSTEES' EXECUTORS AND AGENCY COMPANY LIMITED, of 401 (formerly of 412) Collins street, Melbourne, the sole executor appointed by deceased's will, dated the 24th September 1936 will APPLY to the Supreme Court for a grant of PROBATE of the said WILL.
William Ogilvie Christie married Martha Jane Pugh 26 Oct 1892, Melbourne; occupation given as Compositor; died 25 April 1946; 9 children
Robert Christie became a Gun maker / Engineer in Deptford, 1901 and a foreman in an Electric Switch making shop in Solihull, 1911. His wife, Sarah, died before 1911; one daughter
George John Christie moved first to Glasgow, then to Blackheath, SE London where he worked as an Accountant. His wife was Mary; one son; one stepdaughter
Isabella Mary Ogilvie Christie married Charles Moncrieff 1 Jan 1897, she died 1915 in NE Coolgardie, buried Kanowna, WA; 9 children
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Good find Br1gau lots of information now we have been busy ;D ;D
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I believe George & Isabella's son, George, (born 1827) moved to Dundee? Not sure if you already have this info from family search:
1848 George McIntosh married Charlotte McDonald 21 July, Dundee, Angus
Their children:
John b. 7 May 1856 Dundee
William b. 7 Apr 1858 Dundee
David b. 28 Aug 1862 Dundee
Elizabeth b. 2 Jan 1865 Dundee
disregard this Maggie, it's a red herring. I should absolutely know better than repeat info gleaned from the iternet without checking first!
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Came across this website which has George McIntosh snr., born 1799 and dying in 1878. The only death matching this on SP is in Moray, so not a good fit at all, particularly as he disappears from the census returns well before that.
http://www.mackintosh.org.au/more/ballarat2.php
It is interesting, however, because it shows Helen Christie’s two brothers, Henry & George McIntosh to be established in Victoria by the time she emigrated, although Henry had previously died in a boating accident in 1859. PRO Vic has a record for him; Salesman of Richmond, 29 Oct 1859 but it has not been digitised.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/1199054?searchTerm=%22henry%20mcintosh%22&searchLimits=sortby=dateAsc
CORRECTION: I do apologise for all the misleading mistakes I'm making today. George did NOT go to Australia. He married Christian Leydon Deans & became a Supreme Court Solicitor, dying in Edinburgh 1903.
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So that was the right Henry then in Australia did see the article in the paper and wondered ..So where is George the father after the 1851 census ...Might be worth while getting the full transcription for Isabella in the 1861 census from Scotlands People to see if she is listed as a widow
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Yes, I agree with obtaining the original 1861, Rosie. Alternatively, the 1857 marriage cert for Jane McIntosh & Alexander McIntosh should record George snr as being alive or not.
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Came across this website which has George McIntosh snr., born 1799 and dying in 1878. The only death matching this on SP is in Moray, so not a good fit at all, particularly as he disappears from the census returns well before that
Think this George McIntosh birth year of 1795 is in Spynie Moray a retired boat builder
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Just goes to show, don't believe a thing posted on the internet ;D
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Yes, I agree with obtaining the original 1861, Rosie. Alternatively, the 1857 marriage cert for Jane McIntosh & Alexander McIntosh should record George snr as being alive or not.
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Just checked the marriage the father George is not recorded as being deceased but sometimes that can happen ???
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That's a blow! Have just amended post #19. My error. George & Isabella's son George didn't go to Dundee or Australia but settled in Edinburgh. Death certificate attached to above post.
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Just checked the marriage the father George is not recorded as being deceased but sometimes that can happen ???
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But the attached marriage cert records him as deceased by 1859
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Thank you for the work you're doing. I'm going to have to take a bit of time to fit it all together. There's a lot of history sitting there in the information that you've given.
Maggie
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Just checked the marriage the father George is not recorded as being deceased but sometimes that can happen ???
But the attached marriage cert records him as deceased by 1859
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So the father George McIntosh has died between 1857-1859 or he has not been recorded as being deceased on the marriage for Jane in 1857
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Thank you for the update. I can't see the marriage certificate that you mention.
Maggie
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Hello,
I am new to this forum. I am in Australia and have research information on George and Isabella that I am happy to share with any one related.
Cheers,
Margaret
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That would be really great if you have some info. You will have read all the previous stuff that I've put up. Lovely to meet you. I'm investigating the line through their daughter Helen who married Robert Christie. Their daughter, Isabella married a Moncrieff in Australia.
Maggie in Brisbane
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Hello,
I'm new to this forum so am trying to find my way.
Who would you like information on?
I have some and it may be helpful.
Best regards, Maggieg5 from Melbourne Australia
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Hello again,
I have Helen Christie's (McIntosh) brother, Henry in Australia. Helen came here probably because of him and she was widowed with children. I'm trying to follow what Henry did and where he went. So far I've got him married to Fanny Mardon in 1854 then Henry having a boating accident at age 30 or so and both of them buried in Ballarat.
I think their descendants are in Victoria, Isabella, 1855 - 1939....I have nothing on her apart from being buried in Ballarat.
Henry Shephard, who married Caroline Sparkman, then having one child, Harry Athol who died in WW1, then Charles Pedlar who produced a family.
Which line are you from?
Cheers,
Maggie