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Title: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Friday 15 May 15 03:25 BST (UK)
The notice in the newspaper says:

At her mother's house, Glenworth St, by the Right Rev Dr Ryan, and immediately after at the Cathedral, by the Rev Henry Gubbins, William Leake, Esq., to Anna Maria, daughter of the late Michael Ryan, Esq., of Limerick.

Am I correct in thinking they were married by a Catholic priest at the bride's home and then had a Church of Ireland ceremony at the Cathedral?
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Friday 15 May 15 03:38 BST (UK)
And off-topic a bit:
A notice in the Dublin Evening Register, 3 April 1832. 

George Rd (Richard?) Leake Esq., Plantiff.
William Fitzgerald, executor of George Leake, Esq., deceased,
William Purcell, Godfrey Massey, Richard Scott, George D'Alton Leake, Richard Leake and William Leake.  Defendants.

What is meant by defendants?  Are they beneficiaries or trustees?  I am trying to work out the relationships between them.

George Leake was from Rathkeale.  I think he died in late 1831.

Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Friday 15 May 15 04:16 BST (UK)
And another question.

I think Edmund Fitzgerald Ryan could the brother of Anna Maria Ryan (as I read on a website that Edmond Fitzgerald Ryan & Michael Robert Ryan were William Leake's brother-in-laws). 

His funeral notice
http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/ryan%20edmond%20.pdf
says late R.M.

What does R.M. mean please?  Many thanks.
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: Sinann on Friday 15 May 15 05:24 BST (UK)
I'm no expert but the way I read them is:-

RM is a Resident Magistrate.

Defendants are people a legal case is taken against.
It looks like George Leake is taking a case against those listed.
They probably owe his estate money or some such which William Fitzgerald as executor of the will must deal with.

Rev Gubbins was COI http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/limerick%20families%20112.pdf
And Ryan was RC http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/genealogy/directories/bassett1875/killaloe_worship.htm
So I'd say yes, they married in the house than The Cathedral.
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: dathai on Friday 15 May 15 08:58 BST (UK)
enter Leake into Search Archives here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: whiteout7 on Friday 15 May 15 09:32 BST (UK)
This appears to be from the Cork Examiner

"William Leake( ? - 1850), Solicitor. Lived at Glentworth Street, Limerick. Wife Anna Maud. Daughter Maria Alice (c1840 - ?). Brother-in-laws Edmond Fitzgerald Ryan & Michael Robert Ryan. Robert Ferguson, Barrister, guardian of Maria Alice Leake in 1850.

7th July 1853, Incumbered Estate of Anna Maria Leake & Maria Alice Leake, an infant:
Lands at Rathkeale Abbey, Knockanavad and Garryduff (Lot 3) c1201 Acres. Lot 3 consisted of 1,083 acres of fruitful loam resting on clay slate. 35 Acres under plantation of Oak, Ash and Fir of c30 years growth. £700 spent on draining and fencing. Very handsome cottage with out-offices suitable for the residence of a gentleman. Mr. Ferguson was the buyer (in trust) at £3,010"

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~colin/FergusonsOfIreland/Limerick.htm

Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: whiteout7 on Friday 15 May 15 09:50 BST (UK)
This is interesting

"18TH CENTURY Portrait of George D'Alton Leake of Rathkeale Abbey, Elder Son of George Leake and of Alice D'Alton"
http://www.jamesadam.ie/39703/IRISH-SCHOOL-18TH-CENTURY-Portrait-of-George-D-Alton-Leake-of-Rathkeale-Abbey-Elder-Son-of-George-Leake-and-of-Alice-D-Alton-Furnell-Oil-on-canvas75-x-62cms-39703

and
"Rathkeale Abbey
Description:   The residence of J. Hewson in 1837 and previously of the representatives of George Lake [Leake] esq. By the time of Griffith's Valuation the Abbey was in the possession of Daniel Griffin who held it from the representatives of William Lake [Leake]. It was valued at £30. Referred to in 1942 as "a substanial well kept mansion" the property of Major Waller"

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=2305


Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: whiteout7 on Friday 15 May 15 10:07 BST (UK)
"W.F.Leake:
* This gentleman, I am informed, filled the office of lieutenant-colonel of the county Limerick regiment
for some'time; he was father of George Leake, Esq., who built the house at Rathkeale abbey, where the family had its residence for a very long period of time, and was grandfather of George D'Alton Leake, Esq , for several years master of the county Limerick fox hounds, and remarkable as a keen sportsman. At D’Al’ton Leake’s funeral the members of the county hunt all attended in hunting costume; and at the express desire of the deceased, the huntsman and honnds followed his remains to the family vault in Rathkeale churchyard. D’Alton Leake was the brother of the late William Leake, Esq., who filled the office of county sub-sheriff with popularity and respect. George D’Alton Leake died unmarried; his brother William married Anna Maria, sistei ot E. F. G. Ryan, Esq., R.M., Midleton, and M. R. Ryan, Esq., J.P., Templemungret, leaving one child, Maria Alice, the last survivor in the direct line of the Leake family."

http://www.mocavo.com/Limerick-Its-History-and-Antiquities/255946/798






Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Friday 15 May 15 10:11 BST (UK)
enter Leake into Search Archives here
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/

Unfortunately (and surprisingly) that didn't result in any hits.  But I wasn't aware of that website and I  will try it in future.  Many thanks.
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Friday 15 May 15 10:25 BST (UK)
Thank you whiteout.  Those are very interesting links.

Perhaps the Fergusons are related to the Ryans or Leakes as well.   

Several of the Ryans are buried at Mt St Lawrence Cemetery in Limerick.  Some lived to a ripe old age, but several didn't.
http://mountsaintlawrence.limerick.ie/content/edmund-fitzgerald-ryan-7325
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: dathai on Friday 15 May 15 10:33 BST (UK)
I got at least five hits for Limerick  Leake's did you click on any of the results?
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: whiteout7 on Friday 15 May 15 10:38 BST (UK)
Have you got this as well - It names Alice D'Alton as Alice Furnell? So I think a bit of cross checking with church records might be needed as ultimate proof

http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/limerick%20families%20109.pdf

George, Richard and William appear in the court case you mentioned but the son Frederick Leake would have been dead before then.
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Friday 15 May 15 10:39 BST (UK)
Thank you dathai - there must have been a temporary glitch.  No hits came before, but now there's several.
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: dathai on Friday 15 May 15 11:09 BST (UK)
Did you see these
https://familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bbirth_place%3Alimerick~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3A%22george%20dalton%22~%20%2Bfather_surname%3Aleake~&collection_id=1584963
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Friday 15 May 15 12:09 BST (UK)
Thanks dathai.  I hadn't tried Familysearch. 
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Friday 15 May 15 12:32 BST (UK)
https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=QA4ZBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA52&lpg=PA52&dq=godfrey+massey+leake&source=bl&ots=uBdb5aafQj&sig=UUCM26iwHPPdqlc0wVSjsJxBfXI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=r9VVVeTnJaLMmwXi-IGgCQ&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=godfrey%20massey%20leake&f=false

Here's some of those names again - George Leake and Godfrey Massey. 

A Godfrey Massey was a cleric.
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/property-show.jsp?id=2495
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Friday 15 May 15 20:41 BST (UK)
Thank you again for the Familysearch suggestion.   Just sticking to that film I've found a John Fitzgerald married an Ann Leake at Rathkeale in 1752, and a Garret Fitzgerald married Margaret Massy at Rathkeale in 1754.

I'm curious about the parents of Anna Maria Ryan and her brothers Edmund Fitzgerald Ryan and Michael Robert Ryan.   So far I know her father was Michael Ryan of Limerick (from newspaper clippings) but don't know who her mother was. 

Edit - found the answer - their mother was Maria Fitzgerald, daughter of William Fitzgerald of Geraldine.
https://books.google.co.nz/books?id=psgIAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA560&lpg=PA560&dq=michael+ryan+esq+limerick&source=bl&ots=wGnsgnPEgm&sig=RgkcfIOfG2tBRr6m1T8el86bLSk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=IVhWVZ7DMoOc8QWowIHABw&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=michael%20ryan%20esq%20limerick&f=false

And the Fergusons were related to the Leakes.   The mother of the lawyer was a Leake.
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2442

Now I need to find out what became of Alice Leake!
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Saturday 16 May 15 07:40 BST (UK)
Straying into general history now.

The Right Rev Dr Ryan was even discussed in Paliament.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1847/dec/10/the-right-rev-dr-ryan

He was highly spoken of when he died.
http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/Ryan%20(Lim.%20Bishop).pdf

I see from the newspaper that he also performed the nuptial ceremony when Barbara Teresa Fitzgerald (the aunt of Anna Maria Ryan in the marriage that started this query) when she married Michael John Staunton.  This was also a ceremony in a house - not in a church.
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: whiteout7 on Saturday 16 May 15 08:49 BST (UK)
The infants name was Maria Alice Leake daughter of Anna Maria Leake and William Leake.

I wonder if this is the Probate of your Maria Alice Leake? Ireland, Landed Estate Court Files, 1850-1885. (Record is for 1858)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCFK-XQK

And I wonder if this was her mother Anna Maria Tinsley Als Leake? (Record is for 1858)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCFK-XWC

I think you have to go in to family search to view the images
((A bit creepy if their probate was granted the same year))

There is some newspaper record here that seems to be pertinent but as it is a subscription site I can't see into it
"The Freeman's Journal from Dublin, · Page 1
www.newspapers.com/newspage/61540529/
... and lately the Estate of tbe Bobert A. Fitzgerald or , Johd ' B. Tinsley and -' Anns Maria Tinsley, otherwise ' ' Leake,' 'his ; wife and Maria Alice Leake, a Minor 1 .."

((Could Ann Maria Leake have remarried a John B.Tinsley? Shame we can't just read this. Also There was a Robert A Fitzgerald who was a brother of Barbara T. (Fitzgerald) Staunton, is this him being metioned?))
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Saturday 16 May 15 09:33 BST (UK)
Thank you whiteout.

I've been looking left, right and centre today, and it confirms Anna Maria Leake nee Fitzgerald married a Tinsley after her first husband, William Leake, died.  And then her only daughter (only surviving child?) died.  And I also found other connections to Robert and Barbara, who would be brother and sister of Maria who married Michael Ryan.

And these people seem fairly well off.  I can't get my head around the short lifespans and high child mortality at this time.






Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: whiteout7 on Saturday 16 May 15 09:47 BST (UK)
"The 1846 Trade Directory for Limerick  notes William Leake, Solicitor of 19 Thomas St.
Griffiths Valuation of 1850 has him at 27 Upper Glentworth St. Limerick. William died
on the 14th June 1850. Anna Maria remarried a John Tinsley"

http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/limerick%20families%20109.pdf

I am wondering if mother and daughter died of some epidemic?
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Saturday 16 May 15 09:56 BST (UK)
Until you pointed it out I hadn't noticed quite how quickly Maria refound happiness. ;)

I think there were several outbreaks of cholera in Ireland around that time.  Maybe that's what they succumbed to.

You don't suppose her second husband was the Mayor?
http://www.limerickcity.ie/media/Tinsley,%20Monckton,%20Barkman,%20Browne.pdf

This is getting all a bit complicated for me now!
From page 45 onwards are some mortgages to do with some of these people.  I don't understand what they mean though.
https://www2.ul.ie/pdf/849950328.pdf
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: hurworth on Saturday 19 March 16 03:15 GMT (UK)
"W.F.Leake:
* This gentleman, I am informed, filled the office of lieutenant-colonel of the county Limerick regiment
for some'time; he was father of George Leake, Esq., who built the house at Rathkeale abbey, where the family had its residence for a very long period of time, and was grandfather of George D'Alton Leake, Esq , for several years master of the county Limerick fox hounds, and remarkable as a keen sportsman. At D’Al’ton Leake’s funeral the members of the county hunt all attended in hunting costume; and at the express desire of the deceased, the huntsman and honnds followed his remains to the family vault in Rathkeale churchyard. D’Alton Leake was the brother of the late William Leake, Esq., who filled the office of county sub-sheriff with popularity and respect. George D’Alton Leake died unmarried; his brother William married Anna Maria, sistei ot E. F. G. Ryan, Esq., R.M., Midleton, and M. R. Ryan, Esq., J.P., Templemungret, leaving one child, Maria Alice, the last survivor in the direct line of the Leake family."

http://www.mocavo.com/Limerick-Its-History-and-Antiquities/255946/798

Well, now that the Irish Catholic parish records are easier to search I've come across an interesting baptism at Newcastle West on 2nd May 1843.

The child is Anna Leake, illegitimate daughter of George Leake and Ellena Corbett.


George D Leake was appointed magistrate of Newcastle West in March 1839, but this may have been temporary.

George died on March 16th 1844 at the residence of Daniel Dickson Power, Odellville.   He was 38 years old.

I wonder whether this is his child, and what became of her?
Title: Re: Ryan / Leake marriage, Limerick, 1839. One Protestant and the other RC?
Post by: Greg0220 on Sunday 20 January 19 22:52 GMT (UK)
Prior to this, the house at Rathkeale Abbey was owned by Jonas Leake (1708_1762) married to Mary Yeamans