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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Oxfordshire => England => Oxfordshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: marilyndarne on Sunday 17 May 15 12:08 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am trying to trace my great-great-great grandfather, Cornelius Harley ( Hurley ) born circa 1833.
I think his wife's name was Catherine and they had at least one child, Annie Harley ( aka Honora Ann Hurley ).
Can anyone help me, please ? I know Annie was born in London, so I presume they were living there, but think they originally came from Ireland.
Thank you.
Marilyn. :)
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On the 1881 census, there's a Cornelius Harley, b. 1833, Greenwich, Kent. Says he's married. He's a second engineer aboard the vessel Capulet, anchored off Southend.
What did "your" Cornelius do for a living?
There is a Cornelius Harley, b. Ireland, but his yob is give as 1831, so how sure are you of his age?
STG
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Hi SmallTownGirl ( love the name 8)
He was a tailor, and I think I might have found him on another genealogical web-site.
Not sure of his birth, however his daughter married at 28 and his name is on the marriage certificate, so I presume his birth date was circa 1830-something.
Where did you find the one born in 1831? Also, most importantly, does it say he was born in Ireland and where in Ireland, because that's what I'm really trying to discover?
Thanks for your kind help !
Marilyn. :D
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In 1861, there's a Cornelius Harley b 1831 Ireland, living with his widowed mother, Catherine, 68, b. Ireland, in Shadwell, Stepney, but he's a "labourer in stone yard".
Will see if I can find any others ....
STG
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I've found a tailor!
1861, St James, Westminster.
Cornelius Harley, 30, tailor, b. Ireland
Mary Ann Harley, 26, wife, b. Ireland
James Harley, 7, son, b. St James Westminster
Richard Harley, 4, son, b. St James Westminster
Mary Ann Harley, 7 wks (I think), dau, b. St James Westminster
Is that a better fit for you?
STG
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Is it the father of Annie / Honora bn 1853 on your other post that you are now looking for :-\
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=720526.0
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That's the one I found, too !
They also have another daughter, Honora, who I think was my Grt-GrT grandmother.
We have a record of a Catherine Hurley, buried in Kensal Green cemetery in a public grave, I believe. I thought she might have been his wife, but perhaps it was his mother after all.
Unfortunately I can't access the info on my computer now, as we have a power failure ( joys of living in South Africa ) but can look later this afternoon to see if the dates tie up.
Does your I fo say where in Ireland Cornelius lived ?
Thank you 👍😎🍀
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Could this be Cornelius marriage to Mary Ann McDonnell
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NJQF-P39
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Yes, it's her father Cornelius Harlley (Hurley) that I'm trying to trace. I got Honora's marriage certificate yesterday and it states her father's name was Cornelius, and that he was a tailor.
The problem is they are sometimes called Hurley on some documents and on others they are Harley.
The most important thing that I'm trying to discover, is where in Iteland my family come from, as we are going there on holiday in three weeks time.
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Hi Rose99.
I wonder if that could be him ? I also have some details from Family Search on him, and it says his wife was Mary Anne. I found this info this morning, which lists children born in London, too....one of them being Honora Hurley which is the name of my GrT-grt grandmother.
How does one be really sure it is him ?
Thank you for helping me 👍
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Rosie99, this is the Family Search link to the info I found.....
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3LZ-GYN
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The 1871 one I've found says:
Gas Court 6a (continued)
Cornelius Hurley, 40, Tailor, b. Ireland (no detail :( )
Mary Ann Hurley, 38, wife, Tailoress, b. Ireland (no detail ::( )
Robert Hurley, 14, Tailor, b. London, Middlesex
Mary Ann Hurley, 10, scholar, b. - ditto-
John Hurley, 7, scholar, b. -ditto-
Ellen Hurley, 5, scholar, b. -ditto-
Honora Hurley, 2, b. -ditto-
Isabella Hurley, 6mths, b. -ditto-
STG
Edited - because first I'd said it was 1881, but then realised it was 1871.
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Rosie99, here is a better link with more info on Cornelius, his wife and all the children...
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJS-974
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The 1871 which ties in with yours & STG's 1881
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRJS-974
I thought your Honora was born earlier than this.
Sorry, got to go out now dog wants walking ::)
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I've checked on births and the only really likely one is:
Honora HURLEY
St Pancras Registration District
Q1 1868, vol 1b, page 68.
STG
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Thanks STG.
My Honora was born in 1855, and as Rosie99 says above, if that is her mentioned in the 1871 census,there it can't be her as she was only two years old when that census was done....meaning she was born in 1869.
I have a death memorial card, which I posted the other day, for a Catherine Hurley, buried in Kensal Green cemetery in London, born 1834 and died in 1884. Her yob and age tie up with Cornelius' and I wonder if she wasn't his wife ?
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I'm stumped then.
How do you know Cornelius was a tailor b. Ireland?
STG
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deleted post as 1861 census details already given !
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I've checked on births and the only really likely one is:
Honora HURLEY
St Pancras Registration District
Q1 1868, vol 1b, page 68.
STG
It's possible that the Honora born 1855 died , and they named a later child after her deceased sister , (which they often did back then )
Deaths Sep 1856
HURLEY Honorah Holborn 1b *
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Thanks STG a and Jan 57.
On Honora's marriage certificate it states her father's name and says he was a tailor.
I'm guessing on the Ireland bit as I have always been told that our family come from Ireland.
As to the censuses, my Honora was born in 1854/5... She died in Zimbabwe on 13th August 1933, aged 79.
So in the census of 1861 she would have been 7, yet she is not mentioned, and in the 1871 one, she would have been 17, but the Honora mentioned then is only two years old.
On her death certificate it says she was born in London, and yet I applied, and paid for, her birth certificate, only to be told weeks later that they have no record of her !
All her documents call her either Honora Ann Hurley, or Annie Harley.
😞😬😁
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Hi Jan57,
Our posts are crossing.
My Honora definitely was born in 1854/5 and lived to be 79.
I'm pretty sure her father, Cornelius, was married to a Catherine, as I mentioned in earlier posts.
Not sure where else to look.
I do have one sort of clue....she had in her memoirs and possessions photos of the comedian, Alexander (Alec) Hurley and the family all say he was her uncle, I think ?
He had a brother Alfred and a sister Nellie, but not sure how Honora Ann ties in with him, apart from having photos of him ?
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Registration of a birth wasn't totally compulsory until 1870 something , when they brought in fines if you didn't register a birth , so it may be that Honora wasn't registered , were the other children registered . ?
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Alexander (Alec) Hurley the comedian who died in 1913 was born c1870
It seems he was buried with several members of his family :-\
AVG security does not like this link but my security programme allows it :-\
http://eastlondonhistory.com/2011/06/16/alec-hurley-%E2%80%93-mr-marie-lloyd/
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Newspaper cutting dated 8 Dec 1913 says:
"The death occurred from pneumonia on Saturday of Mr Alec Hurley, the well-known music hall artist and husband of Miss Marie Lloyd. Mr Hurley was the son of the late John Daniel Hurley, a captain in the merchant service."
STG
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Jan - My PC says that link is infected. Oooh er!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Hurley
STG
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Is there any way we can get more info on the death of Catherine Hurley, buried in Kensal Green cemetery ? She was buried in a public grave and apparentley there is no headstone for her, as we were told that other people have been buried in the same grave since then (?)
I feel pretty sure she was Cornelius' wife, because of the age and approx time of birth.
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Other newspaper articles give Alec Hurleys brother as Alfred Hurley and separately a George Hurley as his nephew.
Cathy
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Jan - My PC says that link is infected. Oooh er!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alec_Hurley
STG
What link ? I don't recall giving a link
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Is there any way we can get more info on the death of Catherine Hurley, buried in Kensal Green cemetery ? She was buried in a public grave and apparentley there is no headstone for her, as we were told that other people have been buried in the same grave since then (?)
I feel pretty sure she was Cornelius' wife, because of the age and approx time of birth.
Is she the one whose death was registered in Strand reg district in December qtr 1884 age 53 making her birth c 1831 :-\
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Yes Rosie, it is the same Catherine.
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What link ? I don't recall giving a link
Sorry ! It wasn't you, it was Rosie99 !
STG
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What link ? I don't recall giving a link
Sorry ! It wasn't you, it was Rosie99 !
STG
Which link was that - I'll delete it if its giving you all problems
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Yes Rosie, it is the same Catherine.
I think that she may be the Catherine Hurley who was born in North America, widow of Timothy Hurley (whose father was Daniel Hurley)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VBDF-4SY
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X3GL-7H9
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What link ? I don't recall giving a link
Sorry ! It wasn't you, it was Rosie99 !
STG
Which link was that - I'll delete it if its giving you all problems
It's the one to the eastlondonhistory website. My AVG really didn't like it!
STG
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What link ? I don't recall giving a link
Sorry ! It wasn't you, it was Rosie99 !
STG
Which link was that - I'll delete it if its giving you all problems
It's the one to the eastlondonhistory website. My AVG really didn't like it!
STG
I have just re-run the link through my security programme with no problems but I have put a note on my original post about AVG not liking it.
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Good morning everyone :D
In my search for Cornelius Hurley/Harley, I should have mentioned that we are also related ( again not sure how ) to Archbishop Denis Hurley, who was a well-known priest/political figure here in South Africa.
His family were originally from Skibereen in Cork, Ireland, and came to settle in SA,but I haven't been able to make the connection as I didn't have Cornelius' Christian name then.
All I know is that he was a cousin to Honora Ann Hurley/Annie Harley.
None of his brothers were called Cornelius, though.
I need to look at his father's family...he was also called Denis.
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Hi everyone :)
Just scanning my favourite boards before bedtime. Maybe my eyes are tired but having read through four pages of this thread, I'm unable to see any Oxfordshire connection ???
Would the Ireland board be more appropriate, or perhaps Common Room?
Carol
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Hi again,
Since posting that letter I have found out all about Cornelius Harley and his entire family and parents....all from Killarney, Co Kerry in Ireland.
Thanks for your help.
Marilyn.