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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: ForBill on Monday 18 May 15 13:43 BST (UK)
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Good evening all...nervous newbie here. attached is a partial extract of a marriage registration that my dad obtained in 1988. I need help to decipher 1) Name and surname of parties and 2) below this the section that begins "celebrated Marriage between", and 3 ) Birthplace.
For both parties the Birthplace appears to be Cork and there appears to be an extended bracket after the place name followed by another word.
Thanks for your interest. Regards David
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Don't be nervous, we were all new once ;D
Parties - my guess is Thomas Russell Power & Kate Ann O'Brien.
After Cork I think it says 'Ireland' - shame I expect you were hoping for a placename.....
Josey
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Kate Ann O'Brien?
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Snap lizdb....
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Don't be nervous, we were all new once ;D
Parties - my guess is Thomas Russell Power & Kate Ann O'Brien.
After Cork I think it says 'Ireland' - shame I expect you were hoping for a placename.....
Josey
Josey thank you for your prompt reply! Yes I was very much hoping for a placename! Regards David ps If you could tell me when Thomas was born (note the other part of this document states he was 33 and Kate was 26) however I have a letter from the Church citing the Parish Marriage Register that has Thomas age as 35 and Kate ANNIE O'Brien all other details the same. Oh and when and which ship Thomas arrived in Australia ;) I do need help to decipher their parents names and professions... pretty sure for Thomas, parents are William Francis Power and Mary Russell. Think I will start a new question, rather than post into this thread!
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Kate Ann O'Brien?
lizdb thank you! Regards David
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I suggest in the first instance you have a search of http://www.rootsireland.ie/.
It used to be a pay per view credit site but is now subscription. However you may be able to search the basic index for free, paying for details if you find a possible match. I can find no Thomas Power father William baptised in Cork 1834 +-4 years but 31 Catherine [no Kates or Kathleens] O'Brien 1842 +- 1 year.
Have you searched www.familysearch.org for baptisms?
ADDED: There are some references to a Thomas Power born 1832 on familysearch in the prison registers for Cork :(
in 1848 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KMSW-FP2 - sheepstealing
in 1867 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM7X-NJR - riot
However there is a Thomas Power marriage in Cork in 1867 [father John] so this well may be the above person, not your Thomas Power...
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A Possibility from www.irishgenealogy.ie parish records. Its a transcription.
Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - CORK - SOUTH PARISH
Baptism of THOMAS POWER of N/R on N/R September 1834
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Name THOMAS POWER
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father WM POWER
Mother MARY RUSSELL
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 THOMAS RUSSELL
Sponsor 2 CATHERINE BROWNE
Recorded Parochial Area SOUTH PARISH, CORK (ST. FINBAR'S, CHRIST CHURCH, ST. NICHOLAS, ST. JOHN OF JERUSALEM)
annclare
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Well found - I suspect the fact father's name is Wm not William is why it didn't come up on my search!!!
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Also there are a number of possibilities for Catherine O Brien in south Parish cork 1840-1844
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/a9a26e0085269
annclare
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Possible siblings for Thomas on www.irishgenealogy.ie free site
Barthw 1827
Charles Patk Aug 1831
Fame Maria possibly Frances Maria Apr 1833
Jane Geraldine 28 Dec 1838
Garrett Dominick 1 Mar 1842
Can see the original registers but hard to decipher.
annclare
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A Possibility from www.irishgenealogy.ie parish records. Its a transcription.
Area - CORK & ROSS (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - CORK - SOUTH PARISH
Baptism of THOMAS POWER of N/R on N/R September 1834
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Name THOMAS POWER
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father WM POWER
Mother MARY RUSSELL
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 THOMAS RUSSELL
Sponsor 2 CATHERINE BROWNE
Recorded Parochial Area SOUTH PARISH, CORK (ST. FINBAR'S, CHRIST CHURCH, ST. NICHOLAS, ST. JOHN OF JERUSALEM)
annclare
annclare as soon as I saw this I knew it was the missing piece! wow huge breakthrough! thank you thank you :)
My dad and other researchers have always had the following information but not definitive proof:
William (Wm?) Francis born c 1795 died 12 Oct 1861 married to Mary Russell (birth and death unknown) Mary was sister of famous Dominican Priest, B T Russell.
Their Children: William Pierce Power born c 1823, arrived Australia 1852, died 23 Oct 1877
Barbara Power born c 1826, married 5 Aug 1852, died unknown
Bartholomew Hyacinth Power born c 1827 arrived Australia 1857 died 6 Aug 1869 Highly regarded Dominican Priest
Marry Ann Susan Power born c 1828 married 10 Nov 1849 died unknown
Thomas Russell Power born c 1835 arrived Australia unknown died 27 Sep 1916
We have been searching for William Francis Power, accountant... will now start looking for Wm Francis Power
Regards and many many thanks! David Power
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You may have this already - From Cork Examiner 11 Aug 1852 - Marriage Barbara eldest daughter of William Francis Power Esq Cork to Bernard Murray eldest son of the late Patrick J Murray. Can see marriage entry on www.irishgenealogy.ie
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1800-1862_ma_0477
annclare
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From my resource
Marriage in Victoria, Australia
POWER Thomas Russell Born Cork
OBRIEN Kate Anne Born Cork
1868 Reg#3964
It is a copy of the entry in the marriage register not an extract. Only half is showing. The other half should have the names of the bride and groom's parents including the mother's maiden names and father's occupation. If you don't have the full certificate you can purchase online [$21] and immediately download an image of the page in the register.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Cando
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You may have this already - From Cork Examiner 11 Aug 1852 - Marriage Barbara eldest daughter of William Francis Power Esq Cork to Bernard Murray eldest son of the late Patrick J Murray. Can see marriage entry on www.irishgenealogy.ie
http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1800-1862_ma_0477
annclare
Hi annclare
I have been checking all the Babtism's and have found a few more! Will put another post together soon. I checked the church record above on 5thAugust and it looks like William Pierce Power who I no longer believe is a brother to Thomas Russell. Appreciate all your help... I have been so busy following up all your earlier leads! Regards David
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From my resource
Marriage in Victoria, Australia
POWER Thomas Russell Born Cork
OBRIEN Kate Anne Born Cork
1868 Reg#3964
It is a copy of the entry in the marriage register not an extract. Only half is showing. The other half should have the names of the bride and groom's parents including the mother's maiden names and father's occupation. If you don't have the full certificate you can purchase online [$21] and immediately download an image of the page in the register.
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=purchaseImage
Cando
Hi Cando
Thanks for that. I have those records and a letter from the Church. The marriage certificate has quite a few smudges on it. Please see second half. Regards David
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Possible siblings for Thomas on www.irishgenealogy.ie free site
Barthw 1827
Charles Patk Aug 1831
Fame Maria possibly Frances Maria Apr 1833
Jane Geraldine 28 Dec 1838
Garrett Dominick 1 Mar 1842
Can see the original registers but hard to decipher.
annclare
Hi annclare
I have looked at the above and can determine that St Peter and Pauls and St Finbahs were 2 churches where baptism took place. Is there a way to determine each baptism location, other than South Parish?
Sorry to have so many questions ::) I can not find any birth, death, burial or marriage details for the parents or siblings... is it just me or am I missing something?
Regards David Power
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David
Sorry for delay in replying.No there is nothing in the parish records that would indicate an address.
There are a number of early cork directories online at
http://www.corkpastandpresent.ie/places/streetandtradedirectories/
However I searched a few for a William or William Francis Power but nothing definite showed. In 1847 Slater's directory there is a William Power publican at 29 St Patrick's Quay which would fall into the South parish but the occupation is off.
The nearest I found is a William F Power in Adelaide Street in Slater's 1857 but occupation sculptor!!
Suggest you put a link to the cork message board where there should be somebody with
more experience than I of searching in Cork.
I am also wondering why Barbara's marriage was in Dublin - usually the bride married in her home parish? Did the family move to Dublin around this time? I didn't turn up anything re the parents either.
Regards
annclare
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did a google quick search for William francis Power and came up with this - it looks interesting.
From House of commons Papers Vol 17 publ 1838 topic pawnbroking in Ireland. In the listing for those who went security for pawnbrokers in Cork is a William Francis Power Vintner of Cotter's Quay cork in 1834. Cotter's quay is now named Union quay and would fall under South Parish. as mentioned earlier there is a William Power vintner showing in 29 St Patrick's Quay in 1842 Jackson's directory- could have moved from earlier premises.
Also re Barbara Power's marriage to Bernard Barnaby Murray there is a will admin showing for a Bernard Barnaby Murray Co Down in 1889 but wife's personal names are Mary constance - did he remarry or is it just a red herring - however the name is quite unusual. See Link
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014903/005014903_00287.pdf
annclare
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David
Two interesting pieces of info from Ros Davies site on Co down.
Link
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/index.html
Mary Russell Power wife of William Francis Power of Cork d. 27 Jun 1884 in Newry Co Down and buried in St mary's Catholic graveyard Newry.
Bernard Barnaby Murray county surveyor and engineer to Newry Navigation company of South Lodge Downshire Rd. Newry d. 14 may 1889 buried St Mary's Catholic graveyard. Now wondering if Barbara Mary Power could have been Barbara Mary Constance Power.
annclare
added Definitely not Barbara see Mary constance Murray in Census 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Newry_North_Urban/Downshire_Road/1247140/
Looks like Barbara died in 1879 in Newry.
Ireland Deaths 1864 - 1958 Transcription
First name(s) Barbara
Last name Murray
Birth year 1822
Age at death 57
Registered year 1879
Registered quarter/year Oct - Dec 1879
Registration district Newry
Volume 1
Page 652
annclare
Possibly Mary Russell Power's death registration
Ireland Deaths 1864 - 1958 Transcription
First name(s) Mary
Last name Power
Birth year 1796
Age at death 88
Registered year 1884
Registered quarter/year Jul - Sep 1884
Registration district Newry
Volume 1
Page 484
annclare
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Don't know if I posted these already.
Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL
Baptism of MARY FRANCES MURRAY of N/R on 23 May 1853
Name MARY FRANCES MURRAY
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father BERNARD MURRAY
Mother BARBARA
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 REV B H POWER
Sponsor 2 MARIA TALLAN
Priest B J RUSELL O P
Ireland Deaths 1864 - 1958 Transcription
First name(s) Mary Frances
Last name Murray
Birth year 1853
Age at death 12
Registered year 1865
Registered quarter/year 1865
Registration district Newry
Volume 1
Page 672
annclare
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annclare you are a gem! Thank you for the above 3 posts (#18 - #20) and indeed all your posts! This is another fantastic lead! I am still concentrating on William and Mary's grand son Harry Power. New South Wales BDM take NINE weeks minimum to send registrations grrrrrrrrrrr. Thanks again David Power. ps all these wonderful leads from very generous members has created a file 2 inches thick!
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Also re Barbara Power's marriage to Bernard Barnaby Murray there is a will admin showing for a Bernard Barnaby Murray Co Down in 1889 but wife's personal names are Mary constance - did he remarry or is it just a red herring - however the name is quite unusual. See Link
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014903/005014903_00287.pdf
annclare
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Hi again annclare
I found this link about Barbara Power and her marriage to B B Murray
http://www.dia.ie/architects/view/5965/murray-bernardbarnaby
Throws some light on the subject
Regards David
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Don't know if I posted these already.
Area - DUBLIN (RC) , Parish/Church/Congregation - ST. MARY, PRO CATHEDRAL
Baptism of MARY FRANCES MURRAY of N/R on 23 May 1853
Name MARY FRANCES MURRAY
Date of Birth N/R N/R N/R
Address N/R
Father BERNARD MURRAY
Mother BARBARA
Further details in the record
Sponsor 1 REV B H POWER
Sponsor 2 MARIA TALLAN
Priest B J RUSELL O P
Ireland Deaths 1864 - 1958 Transcription
First name(s) Mary Frances
Last name Murray
Birth year 1853
Age at death 12
Registered year 1865
Registered quarter/year 1865
Registration district Newry
Volume 1
Page 672
annclare
annclare the above sponsor is Bartholomew Hyacinth Power (brother to Thomas Russell Power and son of William "Wm" Francis Power/Mary Russell) The Priest was actually B T Russell OP (brother of Mary Russell and obviously uncle of B H Power OP) Another great find!
I feel that Mary Russell Power moved to Newry, Co Down after her husband died.
regards David Power
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DAvid
Mary Russell Power did move to Newry See record from Newry burials (Posting of 30 May)
Link
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/index.html
Mary Russell Power wife of William Francis Power of Cork d. 27 Jun 1884 in Newry Co Down and buried in St Mary's Catholic graveyard Newry.
Barbara is possibly buried there also as is Bernard Barnaby Murray.
annclare