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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Aberdeenshire => Topic started by: Lochnagar on Thursday 21 May 15 20:16 BST (UK)
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In the 1881 census I found my widowed gt gt grandmother Elizabeth Young staying in Barron Street in Woodside Aberdeen with her widowed daughter Ellen / Helen Livingston and two grandsons. One is Alexander Young (24) who is also a widower, and the mystery a Thomas A Rutherford named as a grandson born in the "State of Maine BS in the USA". I have no idea as to who his mother was, or how he landed up in that household. I've tried Ancestry with little success. I also picked him up in the 1911 census, still in Aberdeen but in Gilcomston area and working as a printer /compositor. Helen Livingston is still with him as head of the house but he is recorded as a "boarder". I've had little success finding his death unless he's changed his initials. Any suggestions as to where I can search reliable USA records, at least to establish his birth and parents would be appreciated. P.S. what do the initials BS stand for?
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Hi cannot readily answer your questions, but in 1901 he is a Printer Compositer b United States America BS with Helen Livingstone 57 and other boarders at Rose Place, 9, Aberdeen St Machar, in 1891 he could be the Tom Rutherford 15 occ Carters Clerk b Canada? Residing at John Street St Nicholas Aberdeen
Keyboard86
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Hi cannot readily answer your questions, but in 1901 he is a Printer Composite aged 25 b United States America BS with Helen Livingstone 57 and other boarders at Rose Place, 9, Aberdeen St Machar, in 1891 he could be the Tom Rutherford 15 occ Carters Clerk b Canada? Residing at John Street St Nicholas Aberdeen
Keyboard86
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BS = British Subject.
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I wonder if he is the son of this marriage:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTJQ-ZNB
Just guessing!!!
Maureen
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I wonder if he is the son of this marriage:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTJQ-ZNB
Just guessing!!!
Maureen
If that was indeed the marriage their is this family in 1871:-
Thomas Rutherford 26 occ Stone Cutter Journeyman
Elizabeth 32
Charles 0
All born St Nicholas
Residing at 60, Queen Street, St Nicholas
Keyboard86
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Charles Rutherford aged 10 b St Nicholas is a Nephew to a William & Jane Young in 1881
Residing Newhills, Aberdeenshire
Keyboard86
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Thanks,keyboard, :)
I thought perhaps Elizabeth's daughter born 1850ish was the one who had married Thomas Rutherford but it doesn't look like it,does it?
Back to the drawing board.
Maureen
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I just had to look. ;)
I think the 1871 must be a transcription error for Elizabeth's age.
Elizabeth YOUNG of Barron St age 21 daughter of Charles and Elizabeth ms McDougal married Thomas RUTHERFORD age 24 Journeyman mason son of John and Margaret ms Matthews. One of the witnesses was a Henry J CULBARD.
Maureen
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The 1870 marriage of Thomas Rutherford and Elizabeth Young - details as given by MaureeninNY - would indeed appear to be the parents of Thomas A. Rutherford bc.1874/5 Maine, USA.
Her full address is given as 131 Barron Street which is where her parents Charles and Elizabeth are living in 1871 (with Helen Livingstone and Alexander Young).
Looking back on 1861 census family is shown as:
Charles Young 50
Elizabeth Young 49
Helen Young 25 (later Livingstone)
Charles Young 21
Forbes Young 15
Elspet Young 10
Alexander Young 4 (grandson).
So, looks like daughter Elizabeth Young (who married Thomas Rutherford 1870) is the youngest child shown as 'Elspet' on 1861 census and I agree, in 1871 her age must have transcribed incorrectly and no doubt should read '22' not 32!
Would imagine that his father died in US and Charles and young Thomas A. were brought back by their mother to Scotland. Thomas A. raised by his maternal grandmother Elizabeth Young and brother Charles by his maternal uncle William Young and his wife. However, Charles Rutherford died 12/11/1886 aged 16 at 127 Barron St., Woodside, Aberdeen. Father correctly shown as Thomas, deceased but mother still alive - she is shown as Elizabeth Jamieson, previously Rutherford, nee Young. She was the informant of his death.
Cannot see a death for a Thomas A. Rutherford in Scotland but a Thomas A. Rutherford bc.1875/6 died in the March quarter 1956 in Durham South Eastern, England. A possibility??
Annette
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Thanks to everyone who replied to my inquiry. I have to say there seems to be a bit of confusion re Elspet/ Elizabeth etc. I shall have to do some more research and figure out the relationships. Re the BS does that mean he was not registered as a USA citizen? Trouble with a lot of this is that there are other Youngs with exactly the same names spread around the north east. So I shall have to give all this some thought. Thanks again for the help.
Lochnagar
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Having done a bit more digging I find that Elizabeth and Thomas's children seem to have been spread around the relatives. What I cannot find is where the mother lands up. If her husband died in the USA it must have been after 1875. I have found various Elizabeth Rutherfords but cannot pin my one down. Does she go away somewhere else to work, does she remarry and abandon her children or has she died somewhere out of the country? Puzzling.
Thanks for the previous threads though it all adds to the mystery.
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Very sorry-I've never been able to use the quote function-but :
Posted by: Annette7
« on: Friday 22 May 15 01:01 BST (UK) »However, Charles Rutherford died 12/11/1886 aged 16 at 127 Barron St., Woodside, Aberdeen. Father correctly shown as Thomas, deceased but mother still alive - she is shown as Elizabeth Jamieson, previously Rutherford, nee Young. She was the informant of his death.
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Maureen
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By manipulating the searches in scotlandspeople & without spending any credits, I found that there was a death of an Elizabeth Jamieson, other name Rutherford, registered in Woodside,Aberdeen, in 1889.
flst
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Seems like a perfect fit to me.
:) :) :)
Maureen
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Ok thanks to all so far, here is what I've found.
Elizabeth Young born c 1849/1850
Thomas Rutherford born c 1846/1847
Thomas and Elizabeth married 7 May 1870 Old Machar
Address 131 Barron Street Woodside Aberdeen
Children
Charles Culbard Rutherford born 12 June 1870
Elizabeth Jane McNab Rutherford born 7 July 1873
Thomas A Rutherford born c 1875 in State of Maine USA (British subject)
In the 1881 census Thomas A aged 6, is living with his grandmother Elizabeth Young in 125 Barron Street Woodside Aberdeen
In the 1881 census Charles aged 10 is living with an uncle and aunt William and Jane Young at the Grove farm Auchmill
1891 Elizabeth Jane aged 17 (no occupation noted) is living with an aunt Margaret Masson in Fountainhall road Aberdeen
Sometime between 1875 and 1889 Thomas Rutherford senior is assumed to have died in the USA. Elizabeth senior plus children return to Scotland, where Elizabeth senior remarries to an Alexander Jamieson.
On the 12 November 1886 Charles Rutherford (mason apprentice) dies address given as 127 Barron Street Woodside Aberdeen.Thanks to " Annette7" for that info. I eventually got it from Scotland's People but it was incredibly slow in getting there.
On 6 September 1889 Elizabeth Jamieson, by this time again a widow, dies. Her sister Helen Livingston m.s. Young, was the informant. The address was 129 Barron Street Woodside Aberdeen, so maybe she had not entirely abandoned her children.
On the 28 august 1894 Elizabeth Jane Rutherford (dressmaker) single dies at 9 Rose Place Aberdeen her aunt Helen Livingston m.s. Young being the informant.
Elizabeth senior, daughter Elizabeth and son Charles are all buried in the same lair in Old Machar churchyard.
I still have to establish when Elizabeth and Alexander Jamieson were married and perhaps why the children were farmed out. Barron street seems to have figured large in the scheme of things in the family.
In the 1861 census Charles and Elizabeth Young and 4 of the family were living at 119 Barron Street.
I have tried unsuccessfully to obtain a marriage certificate from Scotland's People for Elizabeth and Alexander Jamieson Any idea as to where I'm going wrong?
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Have you found Alexander Jamieson's death certificate? You say Elizabeth was a widow, again, when she died in 1889. What was his occupation, & where was he in 1881? It may be that Elizabeth did not marry Alexander at all, or they may not have married in Scotland.
flst
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Thanks to all for the help. I've been otherwise occupied recently. However I am no nearer finding Alex Jamieson's death certificate. The only reference I can find is on Elizabeth's death certificate where it states she is first the widow of Thomas Rutherford (stone mason)and secondly widow of Alexander Jamieson who was some kind of loom turner, I could not make out what the first word was. Yet another mystery.
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Could Elizabeth's marriage to Alexander Jamieson, and his death, have taken place in the USA before her return to Scotland?
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What did the death certificate of Charles state about his mother? Was she a Jamieson at that point?
flst