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Title: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 27 May 15 16:34 BST (UK)
 I have a Clive Lees Wood, from his Air Force record I know he changed his name to Clive John Butler.   Why ?
His service number indicates he entered the RAF as an apprentice at RAF Halton in Jan 1936. 

Clive L Wood Mother's Maiden Surname: Brittain
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1920
Registration district: Walsall  Staffordshire

This is the only marriage with Wood / Brittain.
Clive John Butler Birth Date:27 Jan 1920
Died Nov  qtr 1989 Age at Death: 69 Wrexham Registration district .

I`m trying to find if he had any siblings . I have his Training Log book and would like to pass it on.
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 27 May 15 16:35 BST (UK)
I`ve missed something out and can`t modify my post.

Clive L Wood Mother's Maiden Surname: Brittain
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1920
Registration district: Walsall  Staffordshire

Marriages Jun 1920   
Brittain  Sarah E  Wood  Foleshill 
Wood  Henry J  Brittain  Foleshill 
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 27 May 15 17:53 BST (UK)
Are you sure about this marriage being the correct parents?
Marriages Jun 1920   
Brittain  Sarah E  Wood  Foleshill 
Wood  Henry J  Brittain  Foleshill 
The reason I'm querying this is searching freeBMD for births with parents Wood/Brittain shows a birth later in 1920 in Foleshill district.

On the same search there are 6 births 1913-1922, including Clive's, in Walsall district.

A bit earlier- Apr./June 1897 Walsall district
Laura Alice Brittain & John Henry Wood on same page- may or may not have married each other

Clive's birth certificate would sort out his parents' names
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 27 May 15 18:04 BST (UK)
Thanks.

No, I `m not sure, as I said  that was the only marriage with Wood / Brittain I could find.
I can`t modify my posts, so it probably  got a bit messy 

This is the only marriage with Wood / Brittain.


The Clive L Wood is the only one in the right qtr that matched his date of birth shown on the death entry when he is Clive John Butler.
Jan - Mar 1920.

 I`m hoping to reunite his RAF Training Log book with a  relative, so don`t really want to spend cash on a search that might be useless.
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 28 May 15 09:18 BST (UK)
The reason I'm querying this is searching freeBMD for births with parents Wood/Brittain shows a birth later in 1920 in Foleshill district.
A bit earlier- Apr./June 1897 Walsall district
Laura Alice Brittain & John Henry Wood on same page- may or may not have married each other

They did marry, in 1911 , John Henry is 33, Laura Alice is 32.
They have had 7 children, 5 still alive. Eldest 10 , youngest 10 months.

This is a possibility for Clive Lees Woods parents if we take the ages in account.
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: aghadowey on Thursday 28 May 15 09:27 BST (UK)
I'm a bit confused here  ???

You have Clive's name and birth registration which gives mother's maiden name as Brittain but not the actual birth certificate.

So, how do you know "They did marry, in 1911 , John Henry is 33, Laura Alice is 32. They have had 7 children, 5 still alive. Eldest 10 , youngest 10 months. This is a possibility for Clive Lees Woods parents if we take the ages in account."
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Thursday 28 May 15 10:06 BST (UK)

Hope this helps

I do not have Clive Lees Woods birth certificate.
I have his death index registration  in Wrexham as Clive John Butler born 27 Jan 1920 died 1989 aged 69.
This matches the Clive Lees Wood b 1920 Walsall  MMN Brittain
He joined the RAF as Clive John Butler formerly Clive Lees Wood.

1911 census . Walsall.
John Henry  Wood is 33, Laura Alice ( Brittain) is 32. Married 13 years
They have had 7 children, 5 still alive. Eldest 10 , youngest 10 months.

This is a possibility for Clive Lees Woods parents if we take the ages in account."

This is  the search for CJB in the RAF.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721537.new;topicseen#new
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: davebebb on Tuesday 06 December 16 20:32 GMT (UK)
Hi,
       Are you still looking? He was my father in law and I can probably answer most questions

                                        Dave
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 07 December 16 00:17 GMT (UK)
Hi Dave

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

Wilcoxson is a regular chatter so should receive an email notification that you have posted and hopefully come back soon.

Dawn
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 07 December 16 09:19 GMT (UK)
Hi

Wood / Brittain marriage, just after the birth?

Birth 1920 Mar Walsall 6b 1666 Clive L Wood (Brittain)
Marr 1920 Jun  Foleshill 6d 1787 Henry J Wood / Sarah E Brittain
Then
Marr 1935 Jun Nuneaton 6d 1917 Sarah E Brittain / Henry Butler


His mother changed her name so he changed his?


Ray


 AND

WELCOME! to Rootschat!
 
 
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 07 December 16 09:30 GMT (UK)
Hi  Dave. Welcome to RC.
This is a link to the other threads where you can see the full story. There are a couple of more links to other posts.
 It`s still not known why his name was changed, but it does seem to be the same man. is it definitely your`s.
I waited for well over 18 months before deciding what to with the book and cap, but after I sent them to the museum another relative turned up.
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 07 December 16 09:34 GMT (UK)

Hi  Dave. Welcome to RC.
Forgot the links. I can`t modify my post so have to  duplicate it.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721537.0
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721812.9
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 07 December 16 10:52 GMT (UK)
Hi

Reading thru those links . . . . .

East Grinstead Guinea Pig Club points to John Clive Butler d1989 Canadian

? :-( ?



Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 07 December 16 15:17 GMT (UK)
http://www.eastgrinsteadmuseum.org.uk/guinea-pig-club/

This is the link sent to me by his granddaughter .
In the photo my grandfather is the man with the moustache and wearing the head bandage. This is a group of the men from the 'Guinea Pig Club'
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: [Ray] on Wednesday 07 December 16 17:25 GMT (UK)


http://www.eastgrinsteadmuseum.org.uk/patients/john-clive-butler/
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Wednesday 07 December 16 22:12 GMT (UK)
I think there is an error somewhere

Clive John Butler
Birth Date:27 Jan 1920
Date of Registration:Nov 1989
Age at Death:69
Registration district:Wrexham Maelor



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Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: davebebb on Monday 12 December 16 14:56 GMT (UK)
Hi,
    My father in law was born Clive lees Wood in Walsall, January 27th 1920, his mother's maiden name was Brittain, he entered the RAF as a boy apprentice as a member of the 33rd intake at Halton. He was an aircraft engineer, took his wings to become a bomber pilot in WW II, crashed in early 1945, became one of Archie MacIndoe's guinea pigs, sired three daughters and I married the middle one.He died in Wrexham November 16th 1989.
       The name change came about when his mother remarried a William Butler and insisted that his name should be changed to Butler, (muchagainst his better judgement), and he was informed of his new name by his Commanding officer,when he was a serving officer,   
                                                          Dave
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: davebebb on Monday 12 December 16 15:01 GMT (UK)
Hi, 
          Dave here again. I got the date of name change wrong. He was still an apprentice at the time and the date of the document of change of name, taken by a Commissioner for Oaths is February 22nd 1937.
                          Dave
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 12 December 16 16:41 GMT (UK)
Have you any idea which school he went to.  It would be nice for the Trenchard Museum to have some added details.
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: wilcoxon on Monday 12 December 16 16:42 GMT (UK)
Have you any idea which school he went to.  It would be nice for the Trenchard Museum to have some added details.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=721812.0

As you have made 3 posts I will send you a PM soon.
Title: Re: Clive Lees Wood
Post by: elmalou on Tuesday 13 December 16 21:43 GMT (UK)
"They did marry, in 1911 , John Henry is 33, Laura Alice is 32.
They have had 7 children, 5 still alive. Eldest 10 , youngest 10 months.

Just came across this post, this sounds like my great nan and grandad.  They were from Walsall.  My grandad was Leonard Wood, born to John Henry Wood and Laura Alice Brittain.  I am looking to starting a family tree.