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Title: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: ejones4765 on Thursday 04 June 15 15:53 BST (UK)
Would be grateful for any information regarding a Marian Amy Try - Born in Peckham in London in 1879, and who married a Tom Carden Moore 1898 at the age of 21.  Together they ended up in Conwy in North Wales.  I think neither had a connection with the town.  Tom was born in 17 Calder Terrace in Burnley in 1867.  But I believe they met in London? 

Regards Dewi Jones.
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 04 June 15 16:00 BST (UK)
This could be her before marriage

1881

Thomas Try 57
Mary A Try 34
Ada L Thomas 10
Edward I Try 4
Marian A Try 2
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 04 June 15 16:02 BST (UK)
1891

Thomas Try 55 commercial traveller
Ada L 21
Charles J 15
Marian A 13

In 1901 she is married to T C Moore as you say and living in Wales. 

1911 census details removed

Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: ejones4765 on Thursday 04 June 15 16:17 BST (UK)
Yes Milliepede, this is the lady I would like info on, specifically how they ended up in North Wales please.
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 04 June 15 18:36 BST (UK)
Have you got his occupation from the marriage? 

I think it says army private for 1901 so maybe he was posted there.  It's a hard question to answer  :-\

Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: Milliepede on Thursday 04 June 15 18:46 BST (UK)
There's a military service record for him on a family tree.  Looks like he was in India 1891. 
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: Jo Harding on Friday 05 June 15 15:02 BST (UK)


My guess is that they moved there for his work. That would have been a very good position in those days. Did he have connections to the estate perhaps?

Jo.

1911 census details removed
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: ejones4765 on Friday 05 June 15 15:20 BST (UK)
Thanks Jo. I will look into the Rhiwlas Estate. Never heard of it before, could it be The Vaynol Estate?
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: Ellenmai on Friday 05 June 15 16:11 BST (UK)
Tom's occupation on the 1901 Census states he is an Army Private and Brightside the house they are living at is just outside the town of Conway in an area known locally as Morfa Waen. Within a few minutes walk of the house was a large Army Training camp & ranges, this is probably why Tom came to the area.I have looked up Tom's Army record and he joined up 1890 to the Queen's 16th Lancers Reg No 3132, his occupation was a Carpenter. As they married in Llandudno, which is only a few miles from Conwy perhaps Marion came there on holiday, as at the time it was a very popular holiday resort or she could have come here for work.

If you want to know more about the Rhiwlas Estate Google 'National Library of Wales Rhiwlas Estate Records' and it will give you a short history of the owners etc.

Hope this gives you a few more ideas to work on,

Kind Regards,

Ellen
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: ejones4765 on Friday 05 June 15 16:46 BST (UK)
Diolch yn fawr I chi Ellen. Thank you.
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: ejones4765 on Friday 05 June 15 16:57 BST (UK)
Hello - It's the village of Rhiwlas between Caernarfon & Bangor. Is there a connection between this Rhiwlas and the one mentioned around the Denbigh area please?
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: Ellenmai on Sunday 07 June 15 17:14 BST (UK)
I'm so sorry Dewi for giving you the wrong information regarding the area Tom was living at on the 1911 Census. Having a senior moment  :-\
When I looked again I realised it is the village of Ebenezer in the Parish of Llanddeiniolen. Ebenezer is now called Deiniolen, so you could be right regarding the Vaynol Estate as Vaynol Hall is about 4/5 miles north of the village.
Perhaps the Archive at Caernarvon could help you further as they hold the records for The Vaynol Estate.
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: ejones4765 on Sunday 07 June 15 18:03 BST (UK)
Thank you Ellenmai
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: nestagj on Tuesday 09 June 15 11:49 BST (UK)
What a good clue on the 1911 census where they have written in the dec'd childs name and then crossed it out.

From genuki

Quote
Land and Property
Bron y Fuches Records 1842-1957 - details of extant records on Archives Network Wales
"Records mainly relating to Bron y Fuches, Dinorwig, and the Williams family...."

Coed Helen Papers  - details of extant records on Archives Network Wales
"Includes; ....... rentals of the Coed Helen and Glascoed (Llanddeiniolen) estates, 1849-1862....."
By the look of it there was more than just the Vaynol Estate in the area.  Personally I would feel that the a person of that occupation would have lived much closer to the main Vaynol Estate house than Deiniolen which is some miles away.   My grandfather had the same occupation and literally lived 5 mins walk away.
Nesta
Title: Re: Marian Amy Try born 1879 - Died 1966
Post by: Ellenmai on Tuesday 09 June 15 17:06 BST (UK)
I have had another look on Tom's Army records and he must have applied for a pension. Under the heading ' For Pension Purposes' it states he is awarded 10/-per week from 13/12/1935 for life. His address was 11 Rhyd-yr-Groes, Pentir, Near Bangor. Someone has written in red pen 'Died 25/9/36'
His father is named as next of kin when he joined up and that states Edwin Moore 1 Wilton Road, Merton, Surrey.