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Charlotte Heather married Henry Foster on January 19, 1884. They had 3 Children : William (oldest)
Daisy (middle child --sent to Canada in 1907 via Barnardo's ) and Katherine (youngest child)--I am working on my husband's family tree and would like to know any information about Charlotte, Henry, William, and Katherine, and any other family members -- parents, grandparents, uncles, cousins, etc.--if anyone knows anything about this or can help me in any way it would be greatly appreciated.
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Charlotte Heather married Henry Foster in St Mary and All Saints, Dunsfold, Surrey
Charlotte was 21, a spinster. Father: James Heather,deceased.
Henry was 30, bachelor, a labourer. Father: Henry Foster, labourer
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Henry William Foster baptised:
28 Mar 1886
Dunsfold, St Mary and All Saints
Father: Henry Foster, a labourer
Mother: Charlotte Foster
Ref:DUN/4/2
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Thank you for this information ...it confirms some of the information that I have...
I am looking to find information for his parents, grandparents, and any other ancestors that he may have. Also, for any information on her parents, grandparents, and any other ancestors that she may have, as well as information as to what happened to William and Katherine...
I have a copy of their marriage record, a copy of Daisy's birth record--but do not know what his parents names are.
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When and where was Daisy born?
I a having trouble finding the family on 1891 or 1901 censuses - in order to get birthplaces for Henry Foster and Charlotte Heather.
Do you know what happenend to the family which caused Daisy to be shipped off under the Home Children scheme?
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Looking for Charlotte Heather in previous censuses, working on the age from her marriage cert (ie bn around 1863) there are two possibles. But one seems to be with parents in 1871 and dad is Anthiny, so that rules that one out.
Other one is in Hambledon workhouse in 1871, age 7, bn Chiddingford
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This may be Charlotte's baptism:
Charlotte Heather
Baptism: 18 Jun 1865
Chiddingfold, St Mary
Father: James Heather labourer
Mother: Jane Heather
Ref: CHID/4/2
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Also in the workhouse in 1871 is a 3 yr old Mary Heather - maybe a sibling of the Charlotte?
Possible death for her Dad - though he would have been quite an old father if this was him -
Death
Jul/Aug/Sep 1868
Hambledon
Ref 2a 86
James Heather age 68
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Daisy was sent to Canada through Barnardo's Home Child organization --as it would be safer for her.
Charlotte was born on the 18 of June -1863 to James Heather and Jane Fuller ( I can't find any information about them). Henry was born about 1854. Katherine was born in 1905 or 1906 -apparently not the daughter of Henry Foster--(don't have information on who the father is). William was quite a bit older than Daisy...not sure when he was born...
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That might be Charlotte's birth information --as I have 1965 as her birth year in a secondary location in the information that I have...Do you have an image of it? If you do, can you send it to me?
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If this is Daisy going to Canada it gives middle initial of V and year of birth 1897:
Daisy V Foster
Age 10
Birth year 1897
Departure 11th July 1907
Departure port Liverpool
Destination port Quebec
Ship name KENSINGTON
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Hi in the same Workhouse in 1871 is Jane aged 33 or 38?
Keyboard86
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1901 Census
Island Bridge, Balls Cross, Kirdford Ebemoe, Kirdford, Petworth, Sussex
Henry Foster Married born 1855 Ordinary Agricultural Labourer Surrey
Charlotte Foster Wife born 1869 Chiddingfold, Surrey
Daisy V Foster Daughter born 1896 Kirdford, Sussex
RG13/953/63/9
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Looks like the Chiddingfold Charlotte (in the workhouse) is the right girl
Baptism
18 Jun 1865
Chiddingfold St Mary
Charlotte Heather
parents James and Jane
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Charlotte is still alive in 1911 but you will have to access 1911 census yourself as we can't do look ups on here, the other two children, William and Kathleen are with her.
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Daisy was born in Petworth, Sussex in July of 1895
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Kathleen Maude Foster school admission:
Kathleen Maude Foster
Birth:16 Apr 1906
Event year: 1911
School: Petworth Infants School
Petworth, Sussex
Parent name: Henry
Archive reference: E/149/13/1/1
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That could be Kathlene ---thank you :)---do you have an image of her birth record? If you do, can you send it to me?
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The only way to view her birth certificate is to purchase a copy.
Can be ordered from www.gro.gov.uk
Here is the ref from the index
Apr/May/Jun 1906
Petworth
Ref 2b 321
Kathleen Maud Foster
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William has a First Worl War Army record:
William Foster
Service number 49
Royal Sussex Regiment
72nd Provisional, 4th Battalion
Event: 1908 Discharged 31st March 1916
Age: 22
Birth: 1886
Petworth Sussex
Series: WO 364
Gives description of him as 5ft 6ins, blue eyes, light hair and fair complexion
Mother: Charlotte
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Thank you...you have been most helpful...greatly appreciated. If you come across anymore information about other ancestors --please let me know.. I will consider ordering the birth record--but that will be at a later date...
The "William" that has a world war record ---is that the son or someone else?
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William is Henry and Charlotte's son.
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Hi going back to the 1871 for Charlotte with a married mother Jane aged 33 b Chiddingfold and also a Mary aged 3 b Hambledon :-
Baptism Mary Jane Heather 2nd February 1868 Chiddingfold Father James Mother Jane
Do not know what happened to these two after 1871 at present .
I also presume you have the birth certificate of Charlotte to know her exact date of birth, would I be correct?
If Jane Fuller is shown as mother, their is this possible marriage :-
James Heather to on same page Jane Fuller Sept qtr 1863 Petworth 2b 437
That couple married 4th July 1863 Kirdford , Sussex
Keyboard86
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I found out her birth date -- and who her parents are --but that was a few years ago.
James Heather and Jane Fuller are her parents. Do you have information that you could
send me?
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Hi I have supplied a marriage of a James Heather to a Jane Fuller after the birth record you state, so it is how you knew the birth of Charlotte that I would like to know, where did you obtain it?
Keyboard86
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I found out her birth date -- and who her parents are --but that was a few years ago.
James Heather and Jane Fuller are her parents.
It is really helpful if you can give all the information that you already have! We have spent most of the time so far trying to find when and where Charlotte was born and who her parents were - and you already knew!!
Do you have a copy of Charlottes birth cert giving mothers maiden name as Fuller?
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The only birth certificate I have a copy of is for Daisy...I have Charlotte's marriage record--as someone has sent it to me...A few years ago I was told that James Heather and Jane Fuller were
Charlotte's parents ...but I have no actual proof (birth record)...So, I am trying to confirm all the information and find out more about all of these people...I am not trying to waste anyone's time!!!
I do not want to have incorrect information on a family tree...when I can have correct information.
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Sounds very wise.
So the next step will be to get a copy of Charlotte birth cert to ascertain her motnbers maiden name for sure? If it is Fuller then you can proceed with the marriage that Keyboard found. That cert (or parish record) will give fathers names, hopefully, for James and Jane, and then we can look for them in earlier censuseswith their families.
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:) Trying to work through if Jane Fuller is the one shown on birth certificate, Kirdford and Chiddingfold are only aprrox 10 miles apart, and the birth of Kathleen Maude Foster 1906 was also in Petworth registration district so their is a feasible link to this Jane somehow!
Very wise choice to obtain that birth certificate , as it looks like Mary Jane was a sister still cannot locate her and Jane in 1881, possible death of a Jane in 1875 Hambledon aged 35?
But looking earlier she could be the Jane Heather b c 1841 Chiddingfold?
Keyboard86
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I really do appreciate any information and/or help anyone gives me..This is the first time that I am posting on Rootschat...so, please forgive me if I am not clear as to exactly what I am looking for...
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I think this is Jane back in the workhouse in 1881 with maybe a few more children :-\
Jane Heather
Age: 48
Birth Year: 1833
Pauper (Institutional)
Born: Billingshurst, Sussex
Address: "Hambledon Union Workhouse"
Marital Status: Married
Edward Heather born 1870 Hambledon
William Heather born 1875 Hambledon
Elizabeth Heather born 1879 Hambledon
Charlotte Heather born 1865 Hambledon
No Mary Jane though.
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Hi again, Edward William Heather was baptised 3rd April 1870 Chiddingfold Father James Mother Jane, so where in 1871?
Keyboard86
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Edward William's baptism says father James is a soldier, is that why he's not with them on 1871 and 1881 census :-\
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I did not know that Charlotte's mother was in the workhouse, or anything about any siblings. Not saying that there weren't any.... Also, didn't know that James was in the army....
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Hi all we have attempted to do is find a Charlotte b c 1863 Chiddingfold, the one in the Workhouse 1871/81 looks to be her with a mother Jane so looks very likely as her baptism is Father James Mother Jane, what a life these children had, in 1891 Elizabeth Heather aged 12 is an Indoor Pauper in same Workhouse.
Keyboard86
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That could be correct.... Thank you for all your hard work---greatly appreciated...
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??? Still wondering why Daisy was and you said Katherine sent to Canada via Dr Barnardos ?
Keyboard86
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All I know is that William was "out on his own" and "it would be safer for her to be admitted to the care of Barnardo's" --also that henry was not her sister's father --as Charlotte "quite friendly with the men".....
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All I know is that William was "out on his own" and "it would be safer for her to be admitted to the care of Barnardo's" --also that henry was not her sister's father --as Charlotte "quite friendly with the men".....
;D Like the phrase "Quite friendly with the men"
Keyboard86
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Do you understand what I was meaning by the phrase "quite friendly with the men" --I don't think that Henry wanted anything to do with Katherine....
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;D Yes indeed, so why was Katherine Maude still with Charlotte in 1911 by the looks of it and not Daisy or was he unsure of who the father was in this case?
Keyboard86
PS you really need birth/marriage certificates for Charlotte and James/Jane!
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I do not know that....I only know that she was born in 1905 or 1906...
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Hi again, see above amended podt
Keyboard86
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I really need birth records for Charlotte, James and Jane???? I will see if I have missed some details in the information that I currently have that might help in this search--it may take a bit of time...
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This is what I found:
Charlotte Heather --female -- Baptism/Christening Date: 18 Jun 1865 --Chiddingford, Surrey, England --Father's Name: James Heather -- Mother's Name: Jane
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Groom's Name: James Heather --Bride's Name: Jane Fuller --Marriage Date: 04 Jul 1863
Marriage Place: Kirdford, Sussex, England
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Groom's Name: Henry Foster --Groom's Birth Date: 1854 --Groom's Age: 30 --
Bride's Name: Charlotte Heather --Bride's Birth Date: 1863 -- Bride's Age: 21 --
Marriage Date: 19 Jan 1884 --Marriage Place: Dunsfold, Surrey, England
Groom's Father: Henry Foster --Bride's Father's Name: James Heather
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These are all handwritten notes -- no notation as to where they were found -- Sorry
Does this help in any way???????? or do I still have to find actual birth records?
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I do not know that....I only know that she was born in 1905 or 1906...
I gave her birth at reply #18
So we know it was 1906
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Hi again, ok the baptism of Charlotte and also Mary A and Edward seem to indicate that the 1871/1881 with a Jane as mother look right, but as James Heather never appears on a census with the family, to find his age and father etc the marriage certificate if the correct couple would seem the best route?
Keyboard86
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Where would I find the marriage certificate for them??
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Hi using the references I showed for marriage in Petworth
www.gov.uk
Keyboard86
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Thank you. I will look into that ...and let you know.
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Hi again , what a life Jane and her family must have lead from at least the 1871 census , Jane Heather in 1891 aged 49? Widow occ Indoor Pauper b Billingshurst is along with Elizabeth in the Hambledon Workhouse
Census ref RG12/571/196/4
Keyboard86
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:) OK a bit more which looks good for the marriage to James Heather :-
Marriage 8th May 1897 Cranley Surrey
William Turner 55 Father James Turner(Deceased)
Jane Heather 57 Father Edward Fuller (Deceased)
1901 census
William Turner 63 occ General Lab b Cranleigh
Jane 60 b Billingshurst
Residing at College Road, Cranleigh, Hambledon, Surrey
Census ref RG13/619/101/14
Keyboard86
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Keyboard86, Does my reply (#44) --help you in any way?????? that is all the information that I have found so far in the files of family information.... Thank you for all of your hard work so far --Greatly appreciated!!!!!! You are awesome!!!!
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Hi again, that marriage above helps your case, but why in 1871 onwards in the Workhouse ,Jane Fuller/Heather goes from the b c 1840/1 Billinghurst I do not know, in 1841 aged 1 Father EDWIN Mother Jane, Jane 1851 11 in Dunsfold Hambledon and 21 in Kirdford where she married.
She looks to have died as Jane Turner March qtr 1912 Hambledon 2a 248 aged 72
Keyboard86
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Thanks for that ...I will keep looking through my files and see if I have anything else that might help to get more information and I will let you know....
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Hi
You can send for Daisy's records from this link, they should contain information about her family
http://www.barnardos.org.uk/what_we_do/who_we_are/history/family_history_service/family_history_service_our_service.htm
Margp
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Thank you----That is "a work in progress" --hopefully to be completed soon....but in the meantime I want to keep moving forward with the family tree...
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Hi using the references I showed for marriage in Petworth
www.gov.uk
Keyboard86
We still do not have any idea of who James Heather is eg Father/Age/Place of birth, this marriage certificate would provide possibly valuable clues?!
Keyboard86
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Let me see if I can find anything else out about James Heather that would assist in the search for other information.
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I really do not know how you can pick a James Heather either possibly a lot older or even a lot younger and then say " Could this be him" the fact a Jane Heather nee Fuller married a William Turner gives credence to Jane in the Workhouse with children being his wife, but in his case no 1871/1881 once again best route the marriage certificate !
Keyboard86
PS on one baptism he was a Soldier, I have looked but may has missed any records for him.
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It will take a few weeks to get the marriage certificate ...if they can even find it. Which I have no guarantee that it even exists --at this point....have to look for some information before I even try to order it --to make sure my facts are correct...to get the certificate...
Really appreciate your help for what you have found so far.....
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Hi going back to the 1871 for Charlotte with a married mother Jane aged 33 b Chiddingfold and also a Mary aged 3 b Hambledon :-
Baptism Mary Jane Heather 2nd February 1868 Chiddingfold Father James Mother Jane
Do not know what happened to these two after 1871 at present .
I also presume you have the birth certificate of Charlotte to know her exact date of birth, would I be correct?
If Jane Fuller is shown as mother, their is this possible marriage :-
James Heather to on same page Jane Fuller Sept qtr 1863 Petworth 2b 437
That couple married 4th July 1863 Kirdford , Sussex
Keyboard86
Of course the marriage certificate exists the Petworth refs are shown above, and I have provided a link where you can purchase it?
Keyboard86
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...have to look for some information before I even try to order it --to make sure my facts are correct...to get the certificate...
You don't need any more information beyond the quarter, year, Registration District, name and ref numbers. Which have already been found in the index.
What other information were you going to look for? We have been looking at what can be found for this family, and what has been found points towards that marriage. Cant go any further without getting that marriage cert.
If you want to be more sure that her Mums maiden name was Fuller (though Keyboard has found stuff that backs that up) then you will need to get her birth cert first.