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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Petros on Thursday 11 June 15 20:22 BST (UK)
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John WEBB and his family, Mary Ann and 8 children left England sometime after 1856. He apparently died in Fitzroy in 1871 age 59
Any info on when,and on which ship, they arrived would be of interest. As would confirmation of his father's name - should be James.
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Do you have the names of the children and approximate ages. There are quite a few John WEBB'S?
Neil
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Death 1871
John WEBB
birth year about 1813
age 58
death place Victoria
father James, mother Mary SMITH
reg 5904
regards
Ros
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There is a will online for a John WEBB who died in 1871 in Victoria http://prov.vic.gov.au/
He was a butcher, at a quick glance I can't see any reference to Mary or the children - perhaps it is not him. But I am having internet problems and didn't read it thoroughly.
regards
Ros
adding : There is another John WEBB who died in Victoria in 1871 who was born about 1816. No parents given, age 55 reg 4154. Perhaps the will is for him.
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Also a possible sighting of a part of the family on a passenger list August 1857.
The Clipper Ship Eastern City out of Liverpool.
Passengers are Mary A 44yrs, Jas thos Adult, Francis Adult, john 17, Chas 9, Walter 1.
If these are a part of the family then John and several others may have travelled separately.
Neil
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Yet another list for 1856 on ship Medway.
Mr J Webb 54? Could be 44. Mrs J Webb 39.
Possible Children?
Rosa 21, Miss F 19, Miss S 16, Miss S 14, Miss L 14, Mary 11, John 10, Eliza 9, William 3, Jane 2.
There is also a Emily Webb 28? Dont know if connected or if any are correct children?
Neil
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Possibly connected to the family ... :-\
In 1866 there is a death notice for Mary Ann Amelia WEBB in England, eldest daughter of John and Mary Ann WEBB of Fitzroy.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article63169644
WEBB.—On the 3rd June, at the residence of her
uncle, James Webb, Esq., Park-lane, New Cross, Eng-
land, Mary Ann Amelia, eldest daughter of John and
Mary Ann Webb, Kerr-street, Fitzroy, aged twenty-
eight years.
regards
Ros
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A possibility for Mary Ann WEBB's death in 1878
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5919970
WEBB -On the 3rd inst, at her late residence, Narree
Worran, near Berwick, Mary Ann, relict of the late
John Webb, and mother of S. J. Webb, Hotham,
aged 63 years.
Victoria Death 1878
Mary Ann Amelia WEBB
father Belcher Matthe,
age 63
reg 1178
regards
Ros
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Both Correct Ros ;) See: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=722655.msg5666867#msg5666867
Neil ::)
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Thanks Neil :)
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Death 1871
John WEBB
birth year about 1813
age 58
death place Victoria
father James, mother Mary SMITH
reg 5904
regards
Ros
Additional information re. this death
WEBB John
Father James
Mother Mary SMITH
Birth Place SHOR (Shoreditch?)
Aged 58
Year 1871
Reg Number 5904
Sue
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From the previous thread-
......... His presumed son John & his wife Mary were to be found at Clarence Grove, Saint Pancras with 6 children including Frederick & Agnes both born Spitalfields. John's birthplace was given as St Leonard's Shoreditch.
This family of John Webb & Mary Ann Amelia Belcher then emigrated to Victoria ........
This death would appear to be a son.
WEBB Henry
Father John
Mother Mary Ann BELCHER
Age 26
Birth Place LONDON
Year1877
Reg 696
This SEEMS to be the death notice for the above man.
There is only one man on the death index named Henry WEBB, aged 26/7 dying 1877
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5916858
Had you thought they were a newspaper publishing family?
Sue
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A possibility for Mary Ann WEBB's death in 1878
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article5919970
WEBB -On the 3rd inst, at her late residence, Narree
Worran, near Berwick, Mary Ann, relict of the late
John Webb, and mother of S. J. Webb, Hotham,
aged 63 years.
Victoria Death 1878
Mary Ann Amelia WEBB
father Belcher Matthe,
age 63
reg 1178
regards
Ros
Here is the death of S J WEBB
WEBB Sidney Jno
Father Webb Jno
Mother Mary Ann BELCHER
Age 76
Death Place Berwick
Year 1920
Reg. 4510
There are some newspaper sightings of the man, mostly letters to editors about affairs in Narre Warren
He left a long and detailed will which is digitised .
http://prov.vic.gov.au/index_search?searchid=54
Sue
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Sighting in 1859 makes reference to John Webb who with Syme was publisher of the Age
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/70028820
Sue
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Obit for Sydney John WEBB 1920
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66198218
regards
Ros
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Obit for Sydney John WEBB 1920
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66198218
regards
Ros
Mmmm..
Not sure if the provider of the information for the obituary may have tangled the lives of father John WEBB and son Sydney John WEBB.
He seems to have been born around 1844, so would have been young to be employed by a newspaper in 1854ish!
This link to the family tree you posted Petros,
http://120.146.218.227/TNG/getperson.php?personID=I03397&tree=HillbrickTree1
Have you based most of your research into the family on this?
There seem to be no certificates shown in support of the tree.
Are you certain you have the correct John WEBB and Mary Ann WEBB?
Sue
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I am not completly sure but John's Father could have been a TEA Merchant in London?
Neil
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Many thanks all. Ros' contributions nail it and, fortuitously, also give his mother's maiden name.
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Sue
The answer to your question is no. I stumbled across that while trying to clarify what had become of John and all his children, bar Mary Ann.
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One of several newspaper listings of the arrival of "Clasmarden " from Liverpool to Melbourne in Nov. 1854.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/695406
I have not located a passenger list.
Sue
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http://www.walkingmelbourne.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=6314
Some notes about Holly Green Farm, the 430 acre property purchased by Sidney John WEBB in 1890
There are photos including one of his family.
Sue
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John WEBB and his family, Mary Ann and 8 children left England sometime after 1856. He apparently died in Fitzroy in 1871 age 59
1854 hmm little before time but who's counting bum steers anyway?
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Petros, I am thinking the possible reason for your statement of arrival being after 1856 is that the “family tree” lists the birth of a child to the couple in 1856 in England. This child was Sarah Martha WEBB.
The tree owner may be mistaken about this birth and this is perhaps it.
In 1854
Births Sep 1/4 1854
WEBB Sarah Martha. St Pancras 1b/139
She married and died in Australia.
Sue
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Sue
Your are correct, I made the comment without checking the stated post 1851 births
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Obit for Sydney John WEBB 1920
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article66198218
regards
Ros
Mmmm..
Not sure if the provider of the information for the obituary may have tangled the lives of father John WEBB and son Sydney John WEBB.
He seems to have been born around 1844, so would have been young to be employed by a newspaper in 1854ish!
Sidney John Webb did indeed work for The Age newspaper from age 10. He was presented with a gold watch on 2 January 1873 after 18 years service. (The Age, 3 Jan 1873, page 2.) His father John Webb, as well as several brothers and nephews, also worked in the newspaper industry.