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Hello,
Could anyone please tell me which church Kilmood Presbyterians would likely have attended between c 1800-1850? I can't find any reference to there being a Presbyterian church in Kilmood itself, although Presbyterians apparently formed about 83% of the Kilmood population. I have a James Paisley, farmer of Drumhirk, Kilmood, for whom probate was granted in 1837, and wondered where he might be buried. Would Presbyterians be buried in a Church of Ireland graveyard? I also have a William Paisley of Drumhirk who was granted a license for a fowling piece between 1832-6, and my David Paisley and Agnes Gamble, who married in December 1846 at the Newtownards register office, were both said to be of Drumhirk. Unfortunately, his marriage certificate says his father is unknown, so I suspect he was illegitimate. He was apparently born c 1822. If anyone can suggest where I might start looking, I'd be very grateful.
Thanks, Carolyn
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Map showing Drumhirk-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/MAPS/TullynakillKilmoodTownlands.htm
Starting with burials-
Many Presbyterians were buried in C. of I. ground- here's a bit about Kilmood-
http://historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?displaygraveyardinfo&graveyard_name=Kilmood%20CI
the map shows its location-
http://historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?down&denomination=CI
The nearby Presbyterian churches are Ballygowan, Killinchy and Ballymacashen Reformed Presbyterian (under other)
http://historyfromheadstones.com/index.php?down
Early marriages, especially in the early years of registration, often didn't have a father's name down but this could mean that he was deceased or the minister simply didn't record the details.
Killinchy records start 1812-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/KillinchyAll.htm
Ballygowan from 1860-
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/PHOTOSwords/BallygowanAll.htm
Not sure if there are any other Presbyterian churches in the area but if there are I'm sure someone else will be able to provide details.
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You have done well. About 1829 there are no Paisley in http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/down/tithe-applotment-books/kilmood-parish.php#.VX762EuDoYU or indeed Killinchy or in the only townland listed online Ballyskeaugh in Newtownards parish or Tullynakill One might be wise to check if PRONI has other townlands in that series for Newtownards I was about to give up and fell upon
http://www.newtownards.info/family-paisley.htm
Which mentions your David and Agnes
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Thank you both for being so helpful. The tithe applotments are particularly useful, for the fact that no Paisley is shown (and as a farmer, I would expect James to be) suggests that perhaps the Paisleys came into the parish from somewhere else after about 1830. This is one more piece of evidence which points me towards Newtownards, particularly the Ballyblack Paisleys, who were also farmers ad who feature on Beattie's Newtownards website (I wish the sources were given!) The names David and James crop up there several times. It's not been sitting right with me that my David is described as a hosier, which I would associate more with Newtownards than with Drumhirk. I also know that David was brought out to Durham in England by the Marquis of Londonderry, after he married the heiress to many of the Durham coal pits, and I have read that Londonderry relocated some of his tenants to the Durham pits during the famine. So it would make more sense that David was living in Newtownards and was a tenant of Londonderry, rather than Drumhirk, where Lord Dufferin was the main landowner. David's marriage certificate states "father unknown" whereas Agnes' father is named as John Gamble, labourer, so I think the registrar would have recorded David's father had he known it. There is a Susanna Paisley who married a Drumhirk man, John Whitlaw or Whitla, and had two daughters by him in 1834 and 1841. I am now speculating that she was perhaps originally married to William Paisley, the gun license holder, that he died when David was only about 10, so David didn't know his name. Perhaps Susanna was dead by the time of David's marriage in 1846 so she couldn't tell him. I note that David' second daughter is named Susanna, and third daughter Agnes, suggesting they used the traditional naming pattern. In addition, some of the Ballyblack Paisleys emigrated to Pittsburgh, and David's son Hugh also gave this a try in 1880, also to Pittsburgh. This is the scenario I am going to work with, I think.
I see that the graveyard site says that all the pre-1865 Kilmood gravestones have been copied. Do either of you know where I could get a list of these? I'd like to see if it includes James 1837. I have also been told that the early Ballyblack Paisleys might be associated with the Millisle Presbyterian church, so I need to try and track those registers down. Unfortunately, they are not on Familysearch (Killinchy is, but there is no sign of any Paisleys.) I think Millisle and 1st Presbyterian Newtownards might be my best bet now.
Once again, thank you very much for your help. I'm an experienced genealogist, but in England, not Northern Ireland, where I am a complete beginner, so all help is gratefully received.
Carolyn
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It sounds as those the pre-1865 inscriptions for Kilmood might be available on History from Headstones own site.
Also possible they are listed in one of the volumes of Gravestone Inscriptions mentioned here-
http://www.proni.gov.uk/no.21_-_gravestone_inscriptions__83kb_.pdf
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Apart from the list of extinct church records in PRONI's online guide to Church records, I find Ros Davies is my favourite because she lists other possible sources so
Kilmood you could email Ros Davies website contact changing the at to the symbol
daviesmarneratgmail.com, and she will look up UHF Vol 5, heres what she says
Kilmood now amalgamated with Killinchy Church of Ireland;
St Mary's in Church St, Kilmood townland; on the north side of the Ballygowan /Killinchy road; click here for a photo and more information ie burial registers from 1793;other records from 1822, graveyard attached, gravestone inscriptions UHF Vol 5; oldest stone 1669; email me for a gravestone look-up.
Kilmood Presbyterian- Non Subscribing in Ballyministragh townland; called Killinchy Non Subscribing Presbyterian; foundation stone 14 Jun 1845; the church was built in 1846 and the earliest date of death on any stone is 1849; graveyard attached; gravestones UHF Vol 5; email me for a gravestone look-up DR; GIC
You also mention Millisle Ros Davies offers lookups for Vols 15 and 16
Millisle Presbyterian Church
17 Ballywalter Rd, Millisle village, Ballymacruise townland The original meeting house was built in 1773 etcetc.records from 1773; baptisms from 1773 , marriages from 1838; gravestone inscriptions available UHF Vol 16, oldest stone 1850; photo in Vol 16; email me for a gravestone look-up; also try http://www.bangor.homecall.co.uk/index.htm
For gravestone photos try http://www.graves1.homecall.co.uk/Millisle/FrameSet.htm
Millisle Seceeders Presbyterian Church
in the village in Ballycopeland townland
The congregation was organised in 1773.......
until 1845 was Rev. Samuel James Moore .
North of Ireland FHS (www.nifhs.org) has baptisms1773 -1930 & marriages 1838 -1936; the Presbyterian Historical Society has Baptisms, 1773–1818 ( http://www.presbyterianhistoryireland.com/index.php?id=44) ; graveyard attached; gravestone inscriptions available UHF Vol 15, oldest stone 1847; email me for a gravestone look-up; also try http://www.bangor.homecall.co.uk/index.htm
For gravestone photos try- http://www.graves.homecall.co.uk/Ballycopeland/index.htm
I am sure you know about The early Durham record for David Paisley b 1823 Ireland married > 1848 Agnes nee XXXX b 1829 Ireland start in the English Census 1851 where they lived in Moorsley, High Moorsley, Registration District Houghton Le Spring in North Durham with their 3 year old child born in England. As you said we are in the great famine times [There was a John Paisley born 1838 reg Gateshead some 12 north with no connections shown on freebmds but it made me blink in case.] I agree with your Londonderry coal-mining thinking.
Keep going but with far less records
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Paisleys in the Freeholder Records There are a Hugh, James and John Paisley in Ballyblack (Co. Down), a John Paisley in Whitespots (Co. Down), a John Paisley in Ringbane (Co. Down), a Robert Paisley in Currard (Co. Fermanagh), a William Paisley in Ballywitticock (Co. Down), and a William Paisley in Creemore (Co. Armagh).
If it helps at all
http://apps.proni.gov.uk/FreeHolders/Default.aspx
If the Ballyblack Paisleys had a Hugh and your line had a Hugh, I would be very suspicious that they are close relatives
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You've probably already come across this page for Ballyblack (Paisleys mentioned) but just in case it's new-
http://www.newtownards.info/townland-ballyblack.htm
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What helpful people on this list! Thank you for the tips. Actually, I spotted the freeholders database yesterday and had noted the Ballyblack tenants. A lot more has come online since I took a brief look many years ago, and I feel more confident I might make a bit more progress this time around. I have also joined the NIFHS, which offers free look-ups to its members, so I'm hoping that might be revealing too. The occurrence of the names David, Hugh and Samuel in David and Agnes' children have me almost certain of a connection to the Ballyblack/Newtownards Paisleys, so I'm hoping that scrutiny of them will produce clues. Something is telling me to get the marriage certificate for Hugh Paisley and Eliza McMillan (Bangor Dec 1846) which was only 8 days before David married, and perhaps that will yield a nice surprise! And in case anyone is interested, there is a great Google book online called Rebels and Revivals, which is about the emigration of Ulster Presbyterians to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, but it describes in great detail the nature of 18th and 19th century Presbyterian Ulster and shows why so many were keen to emigrate.
Thanks again for the help. If any more ideas spring to mind, I will gladly listen to them. Is it possible to order Northern Ireland civil registration certificates online, as in England, or do we have to do it the old-fashioned way? !
Carolyn
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I found this to, posting it since Pittsburgh is in Ohio?
Deaths 1894, PAISLEY: November 14, at the residence of her grandmother, 38 Lodge Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio, Margaret Jane Campbell (Paisley), dearly beloved daughter of Thomas James and Jennie Paisley, aged three years and three months.
http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Belfast/1894/DEC.html
So I wonder if they link back to your Paisleys, since they put this in the Irish papers?
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Pittsburgh is in western Pennsylvania not Ohio.
You can now check GRONI's index and then view certificates online (as with Scotland's People website) so there's no waiting for certificates to arrive in the post :)
The Paisley/McMillan marriage is here but since the extract doesn't list their father's it is possible that those names are also omitted from the original certificate-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNM-RM5
David's marriage also doesn't show parents in the extract-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGN9-QL2
Here's Hugh's marriage announcement in the Belfast Newsletter (18 Dec.1846) but fathers aren't listed-
On the 11th inst., in the Second Presbyterian Church, Bangor, by the Rev. Samuel Hamilton, Mr. Hugh Paisley, Conlig, to Miss Eliza M'Millen, Drumahirk.
Added-
... my David Paisley and Agnes Gamble, who married in December 1846 at the Newtownards register office, were both said to be of Drumhirk. Unfortunately, his marriage certificate says his father is unknown, so I suspect he was illegitimate.
Blank space for father's name on marriage certifcate does not indicate illegitimacy. It was not uncommon for father's details to be omitted on early certificates if father was deceased or clergy simply didn't ask the question and record the information. As marriages usually take place in the bride's church, the minister may or may not have been personally acquainted with the groom's father.
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I found this to, posting it since Pittsburgh is in Ohio?
Deaths 1894, PAISLEY: November 14, at the residence of her grandmother, 38 Lodge Avenue, Cleveland, Ohio, Margaret Jane Campbell (Paisley), dearly beloved daughter of Thomas James and Jennie Paisley, aged three years and three months.
http://www.irelandoldnews.com/Belfast/1894/DEC.html
So I wonder if they link back to your Paisleys, since they put this in the Irish papers?
Thomas James Paisley's 1920 passport application "to visit aged mother" lists his birthdate as 16 Apr.1867 He died 9 July 1964 and wife Jennie was also born in Ireland.
This seems to be his birth in Doagh, Co. Antrim district even though it's James Thomas Paisley and the little daughter who died in 1894 is named after his mother-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR9P-FYL
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Something to file in case a connection is later found-
Belfast Newsletter, 11 Feb.1834: On 27th ult. after a tedious illness, which she bore with christian fortitude, Nancy, wife of James Paisley, Drumhi_k, parish of Newtownards, aged 80 years; much lamented by an affectionate husband and filial family- yet resigned, having strong consiolation that her soul has winged its way into the glorious and much desired presence of her Redeemer.
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This is all very interesting. I have seen the Ohio Paisleys but haven't yet connected them to County Down. I have focussed more on the Pittsburgh ones, although it may be pure coincidence that David and Agnes' son, Hugh, went out briefly to Pennsylvania (1880 census for Union Town). He went to work in the coke pits there but returned to Durham through lack of work a few years later. I had wondered if perhaps a second cousin in Pittsburgh had alerted him to the brief boom in the coke industry, but it may be that Hugh responded to a newspaper advertisement. I know Durham coal miners were favoured.
I am very interested in the 1834 obituary. It is quite possible that these are the parents of Samuel, who died in 1819 aged 48 and John who died in 1870 aged 90. These are the earliest Paisleys I've found so far. Samuel had a son James. I had searched the British Library newspaper database on FindmyPast, but this obituary is not included. There is an extremely interesting report in 1841, however, detailing how a deputation of tenants of the Marquis of Londonderry was sent to console him after his mansion was destroyed by fire at Wyngate Park and to reassure him of the affection they had for him. They and the Marquis both comment on the wonderful relationship they share and the respect they have for each other. This seems to have been in contrast to other places. The minister and a layman of each area were chosen to be representatives, with a Mr Paisley being a layman representative of Newtownards (suspect he is David Paisley of Ballyblack, who later married the minister's daughter.) This all gives further credence to the family story that says Londonderry brought out some of his tenants to the Durham coal pits at the time of the famine. I understand Scribo Tower was also built to show gratitude for the Marquis's kindness to his tenants during the famine.
Could I please ask where you got the information you provide for the marriage of Hugh Paisley and Eliza McMillan? I note that the father's names aren't given, but perhaps the certificate might. The same source does not show parents for David and Agnes, yet the actual marriage certificate names her father as John Gamble, labourer. But I take note of what you say, and it is quite possible that David's father was dead. The Newtownards Paisleys appear to be a highly respectable bunch, so illegitimacy is perhaps less likely. They were married in Newtownard's register office, not Agnes's local church, so I believe David genuinely did not know his father's name. One of the possibilities I'm mulling over is that his parents were a William and Susanna (this being the William of Drumhirk, Kilmood, granted a gun licence between 1832 and Feb 1836) who, as a widow, may have married a John Whitla(w) of Drumhirk. It gets very confusing with there also being a townland named Drumhirk in Newtownards. However, David's marriage certificate states Drumhirk, Kilmood, and in October 1866, David and Agnes are back in Drumhirk, Kilmood, where Agnes delivers twins. I cannot find out what became of them, but it appears they died, for they are not on the 1871 census in County Durham, nor are they in English civil registration indexes. I can only think David and Agnes went back to Drumhirk, Kilmood, to visit relatives and Agnes gave birth prematurely perhaps.
I have a lot of leads to follow up now, thanks to this list. But first I have to sort out how to order certificates online. When I was looking for deaths for the twins, I registered with GRONI, but they were asking for a specific date, which I couldn't supply. I couldn't see how to do general searches, but I obviously need to look harder. I'd love to know where the Hugh/Eliza information came from too.
Once again, thank you to you all for all your help. It certainly makes a difference brainstorming like this.
Carolyn
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Sorry. That's Wynyard Park not Wyngate Park, and it was one of the Marquis's estates in County Durham.
Does anyone know how I can change the name of this thread from Kilmood to Newtownards/Ballyblack?
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I have seen the Ohio Paisleys but haven't yet connected them to County Down.
The Ohio Paisleys seem to be from Co. Antrim (north of Belfast). See reply #11
Could I please ask where you got the information you provide for the marriage of Hugh Paisley and Eliza McMillan?
The marriage announcement is from the Belfast Newsletter (date given).
When I was looking for deaths for the twins, I registered with GRONI, but they were asking for a specific date, which I couldn't supply.
GRONI's online database allows you to search within a 4 year period so you can just keep searching by changing the date range. For an early death you should first search Irish civil registration index on Family Search to narrow down the possibilities. They also have some extracted deaths 1864-1870 which is worth checking. Note: birth certificate will list place of birth and father's usual residence if different (providing information has been supplied to the registrar).
Does anyone know how I can change the name of this thread from Kilmood to Newtownards/Ballyblack?
Just click on 'report to moderator' to ask for the title to be changed.
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I found this:
Placename: Drumhirk
County: Down
Civil Parish: Kilmood
Poor Law union: Newtownards
Registrars :District: Kilmood
Registrar: Lewis
http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/plu/index.cfm?fuseaction=rdtownlands&rdid=272®ISTRARS_DISTRICT=Kilmood
I think Drumhirk in Kilmood and Drumhirk in Newtownards are the same place. Am I wrong?
So some of your events could have been happening in Drumhirk but merely registered in Newtownards.
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Drumhirk south of Comber-
http://www.genuki.org.uk/cgi-bin/maplink?CCC=DOW,LAT=54.524867,LON=-5.740811,PLACE=DRUMHIRK
Drumhirk Newtownards mentioned here-
http://www.genuki.eu/DOW/Gazetteer.php#D
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I think there are two Drumhirks. GENUKI lists the townlands in the parish of Newtownards and Drumhirk is listed. There is also definitely one in the parish of Kilmood. The marriage of David and Agnes says they are living in Drumhirk, Kilmood, and in 1866, the birth registration of their twins says they are in Drumhirk, Kilmood. It would make life a lot easier if there was only one Drumhirk!
On the subject of the twins, I found their death registration in 1867 Newtownards in Familysearch. They are still not named, even though they were born Oct 30th 1866. The odd thing is that I tried searching for their deaths in GRONI so I could order the death certificate and I couldn't do it. No sign of the baby boy, but the baby girl was shown as age 0 1867 Newtownards. I proceeded with the search to look at the results, and it produced Eliza Paisley, aged 36! I know I'm doing it correctly, because I successfully ordered the marriage certificate of Hugh Paisley and Eliza McMillen in 1846. Unfortunately, it will be sent by second class mail, so I dread to think how long that will take to get to Canada!
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Why are you ordering marriage certificate via the post? You can view scanned image thru GRONI's site.
Will have a look for the twins...
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Because I couldn't see how to do that!! I went to GRONI, which directed me to NI Direct. Is there another site?
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From GRONI- searched deaths 1865-1868 Paisley (variants)- 12 results including-
D/1867/200/1024/1/365 Not Captured Paisley 30th October 1866 0 Female Newtownards
D/1867/200/1024/1/366 Not Captured Paisley 30th October 1866 0 Female Newtownards
(next entry is 36 year old Eliza)
Next narrowed down results to Newtownards district- 6 results including the 3 above ones.
Then narrowed down to Kilmood sub-district and 2 result- the unnamed females.
Here are the likely birth reigstrations you found-
U/1866/200/1024/1/464 Not Captured Paisley 30th October 1866 Female Gamble Newtownards
U/1866/200/1024/1/465 Not Captured Paisley 30th October 1866 Male Gamble Newtownards
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Checking Family Search now these are likely to be the 2 deaths-
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY5K-NZX
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FY5K-NZN
Here's GRONI's site-
https://geni.nidirect.gov.uk/
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Yippee!! Thanks to you, I have mastered this now. The problem was that I was clicking on Order Certificate instead of Enhanced View. Anyhow, I was able to view the boy baby's death certificate just fine. He died 2 hours after the birth. However, the reason I am so excited about this is that the informant present at the death was Jane Gamble, who I strongly suspect was Agnes's mother (Agnes also named her first daughter Jane.) This lends more support to the possibility that their second daughter, Susanna, was named after David's mother. Third daughter was named Agnes. Of course, Jane could be Agnes's sister, not mother, but I think it is more likely Agnes' mother with with her at what appears to have been a difficult delivery and for a couple of hours afterwards when the twins were dying. Thank you so much for all this guidance! I truly appreciate it.
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I have now ascertained that Agnes Gamble's mother, Jane, registered the deaths of the twins and have found her death in Drumhirk, Kilmood in 1877. I have also found the death of a Jane Paisley in the same Drumhirk in 1864 aged 73, so she is a likely candidate for David Paisley's mother. I have seen the marriage certificate of Hugh Paisley and Eliza McMillen in 1846, Bangor, a week before David married Agnes Gamble. Hugh's witness was a David Paisley, whose signature is remarkably similar to that on my David's marriage certificate, with the same little circular loop over the P. There is a fly in the ointment, however. Hugh is a weaver of Conlig, who says his father is Robert Paisley, a labourer. I suspect this Hugh is my David's brother, reflected in the names of David's sons, but it seems odd that if they were brothers and Hugh knew his father's name, why didn't David? When Hugh remarries, he again says his father was Robert. I suppose it could suggest that Robert was dead, or more likely, Hugh and David could be cousins, not brothers, and David's father was the William of Drumhirk with the gun license between 1832-6. According to Familysearch, this Hugh died in Newtownards in 1876, but I cannot find him in the GRONI death registers, even with the variant search. Is it possible that some deaths weren't registered? It seems unlikely, I would have thought. I am now investigating Robert Paisley and Jane Wright, who, according to Derek Beattie's website had a Mary Jane in 1833 and a John in 1836, but there is no indication of where this information came from. I am unable to use the link Derek provides to contact him. Does anyone know a different way of contacting him?
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Probably the best research tool for Presbyterians in Co. Down is Ray A. Jones "Ulster Pedigrees: Descendants, in Many Lines, of James Orr and Janet McClement Who Emigrated from Scotland to Northern Ireland ca 1607". Jones's book is based on the Gawin Orr of Castlereagh MSS in the Linen Hall library in Belfast.
The index to Jones's book lists 501 surnames of people who married into the Orr extended family, including William Paisley of Drumhirk who married Mary Robb, daughter of John Robb of Ballyskeagh and Jane Corry of Tullinagardy. I don't have dates, but it would be late 18th c./early 19th c.
Harry
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Hi Harry,
Thanks for the response. I was aware of this book and had contacted the Linen Hall Library (I live in Canada and do not have access to the book) but I never heard anything from them. I suspect this William Paisley is from Drumhirk in the parish of Newtownards, not Kilmood, where my Paisleys were in the 1840s-60s, but he is definitely someone to bear in mind, as I haven't yet ascertained where the Paisleys were from before Kilmood. I believe I have found my David Paisley witnessing a marriage of a Hugh Paisley in 1846 (same signature as on David's marriage certificate a week later) and, unusually, David says he is of Conlig, and I suspect he may have been mining there for Lord Londonderry. David married at the Newtownards Register Office before Lord L. brought some of his tenants out to the Durham coalfield because of the Famine. So I am still interested in Newtownard and area Paisleys, but I think that, although they might have the same roots as the Ballyblack ones, they were probably not close, mine being more associated with weaving and hosiery than farming
Carolyn
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It's not the commonest of names so I would suspect the people you mention had common ancestors further back in time. Although the surname is obviously of Scottish origin, I have never come across it in Scotland and I have lived here for almost all of my 69 years. However, I have identified ancestors of mine called Pasley or Paisley in Kelso in the Scottish Borders several hundred years ago.
Harry
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hi all,That book
Jones, Ray A.Title Ulster Pedigrees : Descendants, in many lines, of James Orr and Janet Mc Clement who emigrated frome Scotland to Northern Ireland ca 1607 / Ray A. Jones.
Imprint San Francisco : Printed by the author, 1977.
has been microfilmed by Genealogical Department Church of Jesus Christ of Latter ~Day Saints 1994. You can further download for free in digital book
https://dcms.lds.org/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE519412 I looked up it’s index
p37 has a bd dates for Jane Corrys mother
268 (96) - MARY PORTER
Of Ballyristle, b 1746, d 30 January 1828; m/l ROBERT CORRY of Tullinagardy;
m/2 DAVID JAMISON of Ballyrainey and Tullinagardy, b 1751, d 6 June 1818.
Her children by both marriages:
m/l: *779 - John Corry - m SUSANA WHITE.
*780 - Jane Corry - m/l JOHN ROBB of Ballyskeagh, m/2 JAMES AGNEW.
m/2: 781 - Mary Jamison - m ALEXANDER PATTERSON. To America.
*782 - David Jamison Jr - of Movilla, b cal885, m MARY JACKSON.
*783 - Elizabeth Jamison - m THOMAS McCLEMENT of Ballyhome.
784 - Susanah Jamison - m JOHN McCLEAN. To America.
p83
780 (268) - JANE CORRY "
Of Tullinagardy; m/l JOHN ROBB of Ballyskeagh, m/2 JAMES (or Robert?) AGNEW
of Newtownards ("Robert" on OP chart; crossed out, "James" written above).
Children by both marriages:
m/l: 2063 - James Robb - m MARGARET CARSON, res Newtownards.
2064 - John Robb Jr - m MARGARET KELLY, res Newtownards.
2065 - Mary Robb - m WILLIAM PAISLEY of Drumhirk .
2066 - Jenny Robb - m (William or John) McCALLA - to Scotland.
m/2: 2067 - Robert Agnew.
2068 - Agnes Agnew.
2069 - Elizabeth Agnew.
I would draw your attention to www.GenesReunited.com who have trees belonging to various owners showing numerous Scottish and Irish 'William Paisley's from 1675 ireland.
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Carolyn,
I came across your post regarding Ballyblack/Newtownards Paisleys. I am related to the Paisleys than emigrated to Pittsburgh, PA. Back in the 1970s when my grandmother died, she had a old picture frame that had an interesting text about some relatives:
ERECTED
BY
JOHN PAISLEY, of Pittsburg, Pa., America,
IN MEMORY of HIS FATHER,
SAMUEL PAISLEY, OF BALLYBLACK,
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIKE 3rd JANUARY, 1819,
AGED 48 YEARS,
Also,
JANE PAISLEY,
HIS WIFE,
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE 24th JANUARY, 1824,
AGED 41 YEARS,
Also,
Jane Arnold
Wife of JAMES PAISLEY, Newtownards,
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE 13th JANUARY, 1865,
AGED 55 YEARS.
Also,
THE ABOVE-NAMED
JAMES PAISLEY,
WHO DEPARTED THIS LIFE 18th DECEMBER, 1884,
AGED 77 YEARS
I had this for years and recently decided to figure out where Ballyblack and Newtownards were located. To my surprise, I found references to the same kind of wording about a memorial with the same text:
http://www.newtownards.info/townland-ballyblack.htm
I am interested in understanding where this memorial is located. I am thinking my inscription in the frame is related to this memorial.
By the way, I am the great great grandson of the John Paisley that dedicated that memorial.
Todd