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Hi, I am looking for other information on my 3x Great Grandfather John L.F. Voigt born 1830, last I found him living in Newark NJ in 1910 where he was living with his daughter Mary Roder (born 1859). Any other information would be appreciated. Who was the mother of Mary?
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Where were John and Mary born, and any censuses you have found them on?
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That 1910 census gives Mary's parents both as German, and John's immigration year as 1880. Just showing as John Voight, not John L F Voight.
Also, Mary has been married 32 years.
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In 1900 he appears as Frederick Voight, living with Paul and Mary, and his immigration year is 1850, so misread the year from 1910.
Fits with Mary A born in New Jersey in August 1858.
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In 1880 Paul W Roder appears to be married to Antoinette (daughter Anna L age 2 shows in other census).
So, is Mary A the same as Antoinette?
Sorry, do you know all this?
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Do you know the occupation of Frederick, as there is this family in 1860
1860 census
living at Newark Ward 3, Essex, New Jersey
Fredrick C Voiest (could be Voigt, could be something else) 30 born Hessen Jeweller
Eva Voiest 28 Hessen
Lena Voiest 4 New Jersey
Antoinette Voiest 2 New Jersey
Fredrick Voiest 7 Months New Jersey
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In 1880 Paul W Roder appears to be married to Antoinette (daughter Anna L age 2 shows in other census).
So, is Mary A the same as Antoinette?
Sorry, do you know all this?
There is a LDS Pedigree Resource File with a spelling variation of the surname - which indicates the name was Marie Antoinette Veight (which would support the 1880 census entry Chempat found for you) - not a lot of info on the pedigree resource file though ::)
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/2:2:9CF4-5Q7 - link does not appear to be working but the family search site would have the info.
The initals for Frederick C with Mary Roder on the 1900 census vary from the John L F Voigt you are looking - that does seem strange. ???
There is a John Leonard Voigt born 1830 Germany with a wife Mary Rollman in Sherman, Chautauqua, New York ???
Paul William Roder, Newark, was born in Basel, Switzerland, in 1852, is a son of Charles and Anna (Guenther) Roder, and came with his parents to Newark in 1800. (Think that date is a misprint) In 1873 he became a member of the staff of the Newarker Post and in 1874 of the New Jersey Frie Zeitung, and later of the New York Staats Zeitung. He read law with the late Hon. Caleb S. Titsworth, and was graduated from the Columbia Law School in 1881. The same year he was appointed judge of the First Criminal Court of Newark, but resigned to become tax commissioner. He was admitted to the New Jersey bar in February, 1884. May 28, 1877, he married Marie Antoinette Voigt.
http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/john-whitehead/the-judicial-and-civil-history-of-new-jersey-tih/page-107-the-judicial-and-civil-history-of-new-jersey-tih.shtml
Sandra
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1870 New Jersey Newark Ward 13 Essex
Friedrich Voigt 40 Jeweller chains(?) Chur (?) Hessen
Eva Voigt 38 Hesse Darms (tadt?)
Antonetta Voigt 13 all children born New Jersey
Friedrich Voigt 10
Anna Voigt 8
Charle Voigt 5
Elisabetha Voigt 4
Franz Voigt 1
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Frederich C Voigt married Eva Heberer 1st December 1855.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZPP-5XW
Sandra
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There is a death of Eva Voigt 23 November 1895 - Newark NJ
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZ8J-W62
Sandra
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I think you have the Wrong John Voigt. His name is/was John Ludwig Frederick Voigt born in Germany. He had a son with Annie Balzer my 2x great grandfather William Voigt. Search continues.
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Hi, I am looking for other information on my 3x Great Grandfather John L.F. Voigt born 1830, last I found him living in Newark NJ in 1910 where he was living with his daughter Mary Roder (born 1859). Any other information would be appreciated. Who was the mother of Mary?
This is where the wrong information comes from - you have quoted him on the 1910 census. ???
We can only help if you give us the correct information. If you would like to start again and give us the birth year of John and details of his wife Annie it would help. When was your 2 x great grandfather William born ?
Sandra
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Marriage and death for William:
Marriage, Manhattan, 1888 aged 25: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2493-Q94
Death, Brooklyn, 1921 aged 58: https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WVV-272
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One Anc tree is giving the parents of William born 17 th February 1863 in Manhattan, Kings, New York, USA passed away July 15, 1921 in New York City, Kings as Joseph Voigt and Johanna ???
William's mother was thought to be Annie Balzer - Johanna must be Annie ?
Sandra
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If an Ancestry tree is citing the parents as Joseph and Johanna when the son's marriage record calls them John and Annie then the tree doesn't seem worth taking much notice of.
Lurke, regarding John - where does the middle name Ludwig come from please? It does not appear in William's marriage or death records re his father. Does it appear in some other record which you have, and if so what is that record please?
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Here is the Voigt/Balzer marriage - Manhattan, 10 June 1862:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:248M-2PS
Johann was 41 and a widower, Anna 31 and single. William probably already on the way.
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I know this seems strange but John was 80 years old living with his daughter Mary G Roder in 1910 Newark area. he was a widower as well then. I would like to find out who Mary Roder (Voigt)'s (born 1859) mother was it also Annie, I don't think so because he was a widower when he married Annie according to what you have here. his full name is/was John Frederick Ludwig Voigt or John Ludwig Frederick Voigt born 1830 in Bavaria, Germany. I have no other info.
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his full name is/was John Frederick Ludwig Voigt or John Ludwig Frederick Voigt born 1830 in Bavaria, Germany. I have no other info.
But this (birthdate) can't be right, because your John/Johann was 41 when he married Anna Balzer in 1862.
The family you found in 1910 with Mary G Roder has been traced back earlier in the thread, and (you said yourself) was not the right family.
So it is back to the drawing board and your research will require careful tracing from known records.
What is the source for the name Ludwig please? We have seen middle initial L in the 1862 marriage but if you know this was short for Ludwig you must have access to records you haven't shared with us.
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I said the other stuff I saw was wrong.
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In that 1910 census that you quoted, John was born 1830, and his daughter was Mary A or G born 1858 - is that correct for them?
Have you found your family in any of the censuses?
The marriage posted to Balzer gives a birth year of 1821 for him.
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Is this the son William with his son?
New York, State Census, 1905
Manhattan, New York, New York, USA
William Voight 41 born United States no occupation
Fred W Voight 16 born United States electrician
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Is this the son William with his son?
New York, State Census, 1905
Manhattan, New York, New York, USA
William Voight 41 born United States no occupation
Fred W Voight 16 born United States electrician
No, they're in Brooklyn in 1905.
William Voigt 42, letter carrier, plus wife Pauline 40, plus 6 children (William 11, Dorothy 10, Alice 8, Pauline 5, Mary 3, Warren 5mo).
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Also in Brooklyn in 1900 as Boigt.
William born 1863 letter carrier
Pauline, 1865
William E, 1893
Dorothy A, 1895
Alice, 1897.
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My great Grandfather William was born 2 December 1893.
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FIND A GRAVE
William Voigt - Burial: Live Oak Cemetery Walterboro Colleton County South Carolina
http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=VO&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=43&GScntry=4&GSsr=121&GRid=35445161&
http://www.genealogy.com/forum/surnames/topics/voigt/288/
Sandra
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yes I know about that and his dad William E died in 1921.
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This is also Brooklyn - source of a mix-up?
1900 census
Brooklyn Ward 14, Kings, New York
Joseph Vogt 64 Germany
Johanna Vogt 63 Germany
William Vogt 37 Feb 1863 single pie baker New York
John Vogt 31 New York
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You should have given that information in the original post - saves wasting peoples time tracking the wrong families.
Agreed Chempat - only one ancestry tree gave that but you can see how they are mixing it all up and I suspect copying each others info over. No one shows any census record for John Voigt and Annie.
Sandra
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Thank you all for trying to help! Sorry about the mixup next time I'll start with what I know.
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Where else can I look for hints for John and his family?
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Could you say how you know that he is definitely John Ludwig Frederick Voigt born in Germany?
Thank-you
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Yes he was born in Bavaria Germany
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Is there a crest for Voigt? would be interesting to find out.
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where else could I post this post and the other post of mine to see what other people know?
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We are all trying to help Lurke -
Have you tried https://familysearch.org/search - it is a free website where you can search census and other records.
There is a crest on this web-site - not sure how authentic it would be - try google and see what comes up
https://www.houseofnames.com/voigt-family-crest
Sandra
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I think I saw a picture once when John and Annie were at William's Wedding to Pauline but can't seem to find the picture. I don't think they were married for long.
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Now for some fun stuff... I was wondering if there are any people who are related to me (even if it is removed etc.) John F was my 3x great grandfather William my 2xgreat grandfather William E my great grandfather William E Jr. my grandfather William E III my father, and now there is only me 4th generation. All people I know do not need to get in touch with me. any info on John is appreciated. Even if this post has to be moved for other people to see is greatly appreciated.
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If you are looking for people related to you, then look in the 'surname interests' in 'your tools', below.
Also in Ancestry family trees (quite a few possible matches) and any other genealogical sites around, for anyone who has any of your family in their trees.
Have you added your family to the surname interests?
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Johann Ludwig Frederick Voigt arrived in New York on September 27, 1856 on the ship Agnes. He was born on 12-6-1821 and christened on 12-25-1821 in Sankt Georgen, Belin STADT Brandenburg, Prussia. His parents were Johann F. Voigt and Carolina Henriette Mente. He traveled to America alone. He was 34 years old and a widower.
He married Johanna (Annie) Elizabeth Balzer in Manhattan, NY on June 10,1862. He was 41 and she was 31. On February 17, 1863 she gave birth to a son, Wilhelm.
Wilhelm married Pauline Effinger (originally VonEffinger) on November 18,1888.
There issue were: William (1893), Dorothy(1896), Alice(1897), Pauline(1901), Mary(1902), Warren(1905), Jennie(1906) and Helen(1909).
Wilhelm died July 15, 1921 and is buried at Linden Hill Cemetery in Ridgewood, NY.
William Eugene Voigt was born 12-2-1893 and died 2-16-1986 in South Carolina and is buried next to his wife, Margaret Scott Voigt in Live Oak Cemetery, Walterboro, South Carolina
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Actually William died 2/16/1983. I have info on that!! Also when did Johann pass away? Any ideas?
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There was also a daughter born 1858, because I am in touch with her great great grandson.
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Yes. William e voigt did die in 1983. A few minutes before my first son was born.
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I am not aware of another child born 1858. This would have been before his marriage to annie blazer. Don't know when Johann died but I'm still researching
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The daughters name was Marie A Voigt born 1858 and I believe they got married in 1855
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John lived with Marie her family in Newark NJ in 1910 he was 80 at that time her last name was Roder.
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Johann voigt didn't arrive in America until 1856 so I doubt this is the same voigt family. And ny marriage records indicate Johann ( john) and johanna (annie) married 6-10-1862
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I am in touch with my 4th cousin, who is the great great grandson of Marie A Roder (nee Voigt).
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Probably not the same family. I will post if I find out otherwise.
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Ok I will also do some research.