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Title: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: barryd on Thursday 18 June 15 16:25 BST (UK)
I am seeking any information on the life in Canada of Frank Burrard Creasy, especially his time in Ontario. He signs his Attestation Forms (1918) for the Canadian Army, correct birth day, wrong birth year. That year was reserved for his sister Phyllis Uva to be born in Ceylon. He was on the 1921 Census in Welland with his wife Lilly, Lily, Lillie and HER daughter also a Phyllis. He has a blip of activity when a article is published in Canada about him knowing "Billy the Kid" in New Mexico. He died in 1983? Probably in Ontario, as an Ontario Provincial Police pensioner.   
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 18 June 15 16:36 BST (UK)
There is a Frank B Creasy and Lily listed on the OCFA web-site

Frank B. Creasy - Barrie Union - Block H Simcoe Vespra SM-V-3651

Lily Creasy -  Barrie Union - Block H Simcoe Vespra SM-V-3651

http://ocfa.islandnet.com/ocfa-search.php

This is the article you refer to :- (have shortened the link from google books.)


http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fhz/ 

Sandra
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: *Sandra* on Thursday 18 June 15 16:44 BST (UK)
Canada Voters List 1957 shows Frank Creasy (Civil Service) and Lily at 15 Henry Street Simcoe
Ontario.

Canada Voters List 1958 only lists Lily Creasy at the Henry Street address.

Canada Voters List 1945 shows the couple at the same address - Frank Creasy (army officer) and Mrs F B Creasy.

Sandra
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: barryd on Thursday 18 June 15 18:43 BST (UK)
Many thanks. At least I now have where they were buried. As for the "Billy the Kid" article I have every confidence that Frank Creasy was telling the truth. Whether the "Geriatric Kid" was making the story up is still the question.
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: barryd on Thursday 18 June 15 20:00 BST (UK)
Lily has a grave marker in the Barrie Cemetery. Lily Gough Creasy 1878-1958. Frank does not have one or it has not been photographed. I could not find a Creasy/Gough marriage in England/Wales.

Frank transferred  to Haileybury in 1931. The Barrie Examiner published an article about a Bridge Evening for Lily and Lily left at midnight Friday 23 October, to join him in Haileybury. I hope she paid her bills!

I am doing much better with the help.
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: MaureeninNY on Thursday 18 June 15 21:44 BST (UK)
Lil* was a widow (CLARENCE) when she come over to the US. If you have access-take a look at:
New York Passengers List
Phyllis CLARENCE
Arrival 27  Apr 1913
Ship's name:Celtic

Going to Ramah New Mexico-I can't really make out all the "Friends names" but FB Creasy is one.

Maureen
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: dbree on Thursday 18 June 15 21:54 BST (UK)
Hi,

Frank's complete service record WW1 has been digitized and is available from Library and Archives Canada. On page 24 there is mention of a marriage April 30, 1913 in Gibson, County McKinley, New Mexico to Lily Clarence.

FYI....service file is very very slow to load.

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/first-world-war-1914-1918-cef/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=124912

Cheers,
DB
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: dbree on Thursday 18 June 15 22:15 BST (UK)
Hi,

Hmmm....those dates are skewed for Lil*. Arrives in New York on the 27th, travels cross country
over 3,000kms and marries on the 30th.  ???

Cheers,
DB
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: MaureeninNY on Thursday 18 June 15 22:29 BST (UK)
Pony Express?

 ???

Maureen
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: dbree on Thursday 18 June 15 22:32 BST (UK)
Pony Express... ;D ;D ;D ;D 
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: barryd on Thursday 04 July 19 06:18 BST (UK)
Probably the speed of a Steam Locomotive and a Diesel would be probably about the same, the travel time in the early 1900's could be comparable.

The distance between New York to Albuquerque is 1809.44 miles or 2911.28 km. In 2019 a train trip from New York to Albuquerque typically takes 54 hours, If you are looking to get to Albuquerque faster, the fastest advertised duration is offered by Amtrak. The fastest train trip covers the distance in 49 hours and 49 minutes to get from New York to Albuquerque.

Albuquerque to Gibson? Probably by car. Time?  Money no problem!
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 04 July 19 13:41 BST (UK)
Don't know if you have this...

Globe and Mail March 20 1940 page 4.  Under the heading Metropolitan Briefs...it says that Inspector Frank B Creasy of No. 5 District, Provincial Police, with headquarters at Queens Park, left the force on leave for the duration of the War for service with the Provost Corps.  He enters the military branch of the service with rank of sublieutenant.  During the Great War, he was with the Royal Canadian Dragoons. 

RK
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 04 July 19 13:49 BST (UK)
Do you have his obituary from 1983??  If not, I can send it to you.  There is quite a lot of information in it.   There is also the death notice...mentioning his 2 daughters.

RK
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 04 July 19 13:58 BST (UK)
There is another note in the Globe from 1940 - about the Provost Company.  Frank is going to by the officer in charge of No 2 Provost Company.  There will be 35 other ranks in the company.  No 1 Provost Company has already gone overseas and No 2 will also be going overseas.  They are training at the Exhibition Park Camp

RK
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 04 July 19 14:12 BST (UK)
Daughter Phyllis Clarence Fenno - in the Barrie Union Cemetery.  1905-1998

http://www.geneofun.on.ca/names/photo/2379146

RK
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: RunKitty on Thursday 04 July 19 14:27 BST (UK)
Wonder if he married again....wife mentioned in his obit is Effie.  She predeceased him. 

Not seeing an obit for her, but found one for her sister in 1971...Margaret Barnard, nee Elliott.  Sister of Mrs Frank Creasy (Effie) of Toronto. 

RK
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: barryd on Thursday 04 July 19 14:59 BST (UK)
Money no problem for the possible car ride to Gibson from the train station! Giles Master and his brother Robert Creasy Master, the relatives of Frank Burrard Creasy, were successful merchants in McKinley County, NM. It looks like F. B. Creasy married twice. First wife Lily Gough born 1878, Barrow in Furness, Lancashire, England. Died Canada, 1958.

Its not a genealogical problem but "Billy the Kid" would have taken a terrible risk in confiding his identity to Frank. I have F.B.C's obituary. Thank you for the offer.

Interesting family!
Title: Re: Frank Burrard Creasy -Ceylon - England - New Mexico - Ontario, Canada
Post by: barryd on Sunday 07 July 19 05:57 BST (UK)
I found the immigration record of Lily Clarence the Bride to be of Frank Burrrard Creasy. I transcribed it in a readable form as - Ship Cedric, New York, 1913. Lily Clarence 35, Widow, previously living in Hanley, Staffordshire, England, accompanied by her daughters Dorothy (13) and Phyllis (7) heading to Ramah, New Mexico.

In the Stoke-on-Trent, Staffordshire, area Lily Gough had married James Clarence in 1899. He died in 1906 in that same area.

(From the Internet) In the early 1900's, Bob and Giles Master came from England to start the first permanent store, the Ramah Trading Post. It was originally located west of the town of Ramah, later being moved to the stone building that is still seen just off Hwy. 53 in the center of Ramah. Other turn-of-the-century buildings include: the Ashcroft-Merrill home (on the National Historic Register), the Marius Bond home near the Post Office, the two-story Bloomfield home, and the Ramah Museum, built in 1905, also on the National Historic Register. The Masters brought in black locust trees for their home for its hard wood for wagon and farming parts (reaches, tool handles, and double-trees). These trees still line the streets of Ramah as do Chinese Elm introduced in the 1930's by the Soil Conservation Service for shade, windbreaks and erosion control.

Robert (Bob) and Giles are the Cousins of Frank Burrard Creasy. Frank was a Deputy Sherriff in New Mexico. If he was one in 1913 he may have been based in Gibson where he married Lily.