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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Worcestershire => Topic started by: Melcook on Friday 19 June 15 03:16 BST (UK)
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In the 1851 my g/father William COOK is recorded as living next door to his bride to be, Ann PRICE, 21 year old daughter of James PRICE (m. Elizabeth PALMER). The PRICE family were living in "White House", Lindridge, Knighton-on-Teme; is this the name of the house, or an area/place? I can find references to Whitehouse Farm, but is this the same place or property? My real search is for the origins of William who was a Farm Bailiff and up until now I've been lead to think that he was from Inch, Aberdeenshire, in 1819/20, but now I'm not so sure, because at the age of 31 he has moved to Worcestershire and then marries in Tenbury in 1854. How can I find out more about their time around Lindridge please? Regards, Mel
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White House is just to the right of Newnham:
http://maps.nls.uk/view/101586169
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What does it say about William's place of birth on the censuses?
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http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=17&lat=52.3186&lon=-2.5223&layers=171&right=BingHyb
It may be a place rather than a dwelling. As you can see on the map, outlines of all other named dwellings are shown whereas there is nothing for White House. In order to work out if this is the same White House as on the 1851 census, have a look at the neighbours and compare place names with those on the maps. They may have changed a little though as this map is older than 1851.
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I think I was wrong with White House. Looking at the neighbouring places on the 1851 census, I think the Whitehouse Farm you found is likely to be the place, especially given it's size and the fact that several families are living there.
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/sidebyside.cfm#zoom=16&lat=52.3132&lon=-2.4510&layers=171&right=BingHyb
Looking on google maps there appears to be a dwelling still there though it appears to be 'modernised', converted or replaced. (I think the pointy roofs are WhiteHouse)
And according to the 1851 census William is born in Scotland. Have you located William in later censuses which may give place of birth in Scotland?
It is likely William originally went to England for work, possibly more was available in farming in England than Scotland at the time. You might need to investigate possible historical reasons (Highland clearances?).
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Goodness this information is amazing! Thank you. I haven't sighted the census myself, the details were referred to me yesterday via RootsChat. The reference to Inch, Scotland is just that and recorded on his death certificate when he died here in New Zealand 30 Oct 1886. He and Ann married in the Tenbury Registry Office 17th June 1854 and in 1856 he emigrated to NZ on the Emma Colvin arriving Nelson on 23rd June. And whilst Ann also emigrated the same year, it seems she sailed on the ship Inchinnan arriving on 19th May 1856. I think their son William born 1855 died on the journey. I have a note that William lived at 10(?) Bedford Lane, Stockwell, Surrey but at the moment can't confirm that. My trouble with Wm's Scottish birthplace is that there are several towns with similar spelling and no doubt all are said in a way that makes them sound the same. Over the years I have had no luck in finding a record of the birth and so cannot make the connection to his parents, which I'm very keen to do. This information about White House and the area is brand new to me and quite exciting!
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His Father's name will be on his marriage certificate - to help to confirm any birth/census information
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Just seen you have put that on your other thread.
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Thank you yes, I've just discovered RootsChat and am on a steep learning curve! I even have to muddle about getting back to the conversation if I leave it! When I started this "little" endeavour in 1974, computers were machines the size of a truck and used by NASA. Apologies if I have started two threads. Mel
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No, no, you have not started 2 threads (wanting the same information). They are separate topics
I just added that bit about Father's information automatically, and should have checked your other thread first.
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Yes, once you've purchased the marriage certificate, and know William's father's name, then we can try to find him in Scotland - best first ports of call for that are Familysearch, and Scotland's People.
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Thank you. I have the marriage certificate (purchased it in 1983) and William's father was also William with profession of Shoemaker. On William's death certificate it notes his fathers Name as William Cook and maiden surname of mother as Redford. There is no entry for her christian name. The entry for where born and how long in NZ it has Inch, Scotland, 30 years. The 30 years is correct as he arrived on the ship Emma Colvin in June 1856. The marriage between William and Ann Price was witnessed by George Price and Sarah Palmer. Ann's mothers maiden name was Palmer (Elizabeth).
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Good information Melcook. Have you searched for William in Scotland yet?
How old was William when he married and when he died? If I remember correctly he was 31 in the 1851 census, so born about 1820.
Also, when he married, did his certificate say his father was deceased?
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Yes have had several attempts at finding the family in Scotland, with no luck yet. William was born in 1819 or 1820 and died aged 67 in 1886. The marriage certificate was silent on whether his father was alive, so the fact that it didn't say anything, I presume he was alive?
Cheers for your help, Mel
Sorry also meant to say he was recorded as age 34 on the marriage certificate.
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There is this one:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XY4G-7H5
Kirkmaiden is only a parish away from Inch. I actually downloaded the entry from Scotland's People and the only extra information on the original is a place name which I am unable to read - it seems like Port Mcsock? :-\ Place name will obviously need clarification if you think this may be your William.
Have a look on Familysearch in case the couple moved to Inch after this William's birth - they may have had further children in Inch. It is possible that William lived in Inch from childhood, and thought he had been born there whereas he was not.
Another possibility is that this is not your William at all. ;) ;D
Did your William have any children called Rachel by any chance?
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I don't know if William born 1819 had any siblings. William b1819 m Ann Price had children William b1855 (who didn't die on the ship, I was thinking of another family), Annie, Sidney and George. All except Wm were born in NZ.
I'll check the link you've sent and thank you for that.