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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Caithness => Topic started by: Mcphee1944 on Saturday 27 June 15 00:17 BST (UK)
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Quite reluctant to post message as kept getting messages that I was doing things wrong. I hope this message is satisfactory...
I struggle with literacy and numerousy u so I do apologise.
Looking for any info on Andrew McPhee. Born around 1890's ? Numbers are pure guess work. Married a Margaret. The children they had I believe are dead. I can't name them due to the carry on last time I posted. They Resided in Thurso for a while?
I hope this message doesn't breech any protocols.
All people listed are dead.
Dates are approximate. I couldn't find what I needed online so I hope someone may know something.
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Hi,
How did you find out that Andrew married a Margaret ???
Are you descended from one of their children & if so what relationship would Andrew be to yourself e.g. grandfather, g grandfather ???
You would need to post a bit more info. for us to go on.
Annie
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Hi again
Don't worry about making mistakes - we've all done it. We'll get there in the end ;D
I see your other posts have now disappeared but I remember posting that the 1901 census has 6 Andrew McPhee entries all born in the 1890's
You previously had 2 Andrew McPhee's - one married to Margaret and the other to Isabella but I see this one is just Andrew and Margaret. What was Margaret's maiden name?
You will need to use Scotlands People to find their marriage as their marriage cert will give their ages and also both sets of parents names. This will help with any census search. Marriage certs up to 1939 can be downloaded from the SP website but you have to purchase credits first
1911 census details cannot be given here due to copyright restrictions but that census is available on Scotlands People
www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
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You will need to use Scotlands People to find their marriage as their marriage cert will give their ages and also both sets of parents names. This will help with any census search. Marriage certs up to 1939 can be downloaded from the SP website but you have to purchase credits first
Hi Carole,
My thought was..........if McPhee is directly descended from Andrew & Margaret that the marriage & birth cert. for his/her nearest descendant would be easier for him/her (assuming McPhee) that you are new to the genealogy path ???
Annie
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Hi
It's somewhat more complicated than that as previous posts tonight revealed. I have sent you a pm with the background
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I don't know Margaret's surname prior to marriage. The recently dead realative who's parents are Andrew and Margaret . Their marriage not on the birth certificate of the dead child they had. I think they were gypsies they may have travelled around. Thank you kindly for help. Not had best start on here. Still learning please bare with me
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Hi
Your earlier posts mentioned a daughter born either 1941 or 1944. As you know, her name cannot be given here but I have checked the free index on Scotlands People and there are births for her name in 1941 and 1945 (not 1944)
Depending on which birth is the correct one, buying a copy of the birth cert will give you Margaret's maiden name to help trace a marriage for her parents
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I don't know Margaret's surname prior to marriage. The recently dead realative who's parents are Andrew and Margaret . Their marriage not on the birth certificate of the dead child they had.
Would it not be easier to get the "recently dead" relative's birth cert. as Margaret's full name (with maiden name) will be on it ???
What do you know of the "recently dead" relative as you can post a few hints (which are allowed)
What was his full name (including any middle names), approx. yr of birth, where born (Town, City & Country) ???
Is that a sibling of the "
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Annie
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I don't know Margaret's surname prior to marriage. The recently dead realative who's parents are Andrew and Margaret . Their marriage not on the birth certificate of the dead child they had. I think they were gypsies they may have travelled around. Thank you kindly for help. Not had best start on here. Still learning please bare with me
Sad to hear your start with RC has been tricky :-\ Don't be disheartened please. These things sometimes happen anywhere. Great group here who are happy to help and work with you, just because they have access or experience to information sources that you may not.
A key thing here on RC is the protection of people's privacy and information for those still living. RC like people being discussed to be TRULLY dead (in the nicest possible way ::))
We need to help you find some hard fact to work from, and us in trying to help.
The only marriage I can see on SP between an Andrew McPhee (with wild cards for spelling variations) and a Margaret during 1910-1940, looks to have been in 1922. This Margaret showing as Maggie McMillan. Marriage in Knockbain, Ross & Cromarty.
Monica
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Thank you for your help. I am new to this and have a lot to learn. I went to the council and they printed printed out dob was 1944 not 1945. I too did online check and 1945 comes up. So it's strange how the council found 1944 and also printed it off yet Scotland's people say 1941 and 1945.
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Sorry to ask but I was told to go on surname sit. I did I found McPhee listed but I couldn't open the links? Do you know how I do that? I feel so silly.
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Hey, don't worry about it please ;) The Surname Interest Table (SIT) can be useful for sure, however at this stage, the key thing is your own research and finding the correct info I would think... The link to the the SIT is here http://surname.rootschat.com/index.php The specific pages on McPhees/MacPhee names that others have added is here:
http://surname.rootschat.com/sit-surnames.php?letter=M&surname=MCPHEE
http://surname.rootschat.com/sit-surnames.php?letter=M&surname=MACPHEE
If want to add your own names, see here http://surname.rootschat.com/sit-add.php Have a look first at the tables and other names for ideas on what to add for you.
Monica :)
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I went to the council and one printed out dob was 1944 not 1945.
That can be confusing to people.
If a birth was at the end of a yr, e.g. 23 Dec 1944 birth will show up on scotlandspeople as 1945 (when it was actually registered)
Annie
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Again thank you so much
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Aware of the past posts and problems, like Annie and Carole, trying to help you move forward now...
If you don't have these documents already, you need to get Isabella's birth, marriage or death cert to help you move on backward with hard verified details to work from. Can't begin to tell you the number of times people start with guesses...and just stay there without being able to confirm. 20th Century records can be so hard to confirm because you start to hit all the restrictions due to privacy/data protection (understandably really). Pick your certs to order and view, until you get back enough so we can all help with online resources.
Working online, for your info, SP have the following restrictions to viewing online images (as opposed to having to order them, or view them at a main Scottish genealogy centre or Registrar's Office):
Births - 100 years
Marriage - 75 years
Deaths - 50 years
Monica :)
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Hi
I have just checked the location of the 1941 and 1945 birth registrations on SP. The 1941 did not match to Thurso or Caithness but the 1945 one matched to Thurso so I would recommend you check that one first to see if her mothers name was Margaret
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Andrew McPhee 1903-1968, my grandfather. I get that this post is almost 7 years old but if there’s anybody out there I’m more than happy to talk about him.
Father of at least 17.
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Hi edwardhyd3
Welcome to RootsChat :)
Andrew McP, father to at least 17, big big family!
Monica
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Hi Monica,
throughout this year I worked through Nana and Grandad’s children with my dad who died a few weeks ago.
Between both of my grandparents I believe there were 23, although there are varying stories depending on which of the surviving children you ask.
Es
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I can check in the Nucleus: The Nuclear and Caithness Archives after the holidays, if you like, to see what they have…
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Es, condolences for your dad. Will be hard this first Christmas for you all.
Monica
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I can check in the Nucleus: The Nuclear and Caithness Archives after the holidays, if you like, to see what they have…
That would be brilliant, I have a couple of newspaper clippings regarding overcrowding in the family home, but I would love to know more about his illicit still!
He was married and is buried with Margaret and I believe he married my nana Catherine McLeod in 1952 who had previously been married to Donald McPhee
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Es, condolences for your dad. Will be hard this first Christmas for you all.
Monica
It will be an odd year to say the least, he loved Christmas.
Ed
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I can check in the Nucleus: The Nuclear and Caithness Archives after the holidays, if you like, to see what they have…
That would be brilliant, I have a couple of newspaper clippings regarding overcrowding in the family home, but I would love to know more about his illicit still!
He was married and is buried with Margaret and I believe he married my nana Catherine McLeod in 1952 who had previously been married to Donald McPhee
Sounds like quite a character! I'll let you know what I find, if anything.
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Here’s a little story about him…
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This looks like the marriages for Catherine...
MCPHEE DONALD ROBERT / MCLEOD CATHERINE MOONI - 1947 - 043/ 63 Wick
MCPHEE ANDREW / MCPHEE CATHERINE - 1952 - 041/ 11 Thurso
Death downloadable from SP which should name both parents if known to the informant;
MCPHEE ANDREW 65 - 1968 - 041/ 79 Thurso
This is the closest for a birth which would give both parents' names & date/place where they married;
MACPHEE ANDREW 1910 - 041/ 79 Thurso
Possible deaths for Donald MacPhee (depending on his age when they married) who died between his marriage to Catherine 1947 & the marriage of Catherine to Andrew 1952 & downloadable from SP;
MCPHEE DONALD 72 - 1949 - 043/ 72 Wick
MCPHEE DONALD 47 - 1950 - 135/ 78 Elgin
Annie
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I have the death certificate, signed by his eldest son who is now 93. I also have his birth certificate, his birth certificate doesn’t state father’s name but death certificate does.
Donald Robert M(a)cPhee was apparently born in Rossshire 5 July 1926 :)
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I also have his birth certificate, his birth certificate doesn’t state father’s name but death certificate does.
Donald Robert M(a)cPhee was apparently born in Rossshire 5 July 1926 :)
Have you considered DNA to find out your connections via his paternal side?
Would Donald be the birth registered in Kiltarlity, so many places have changed counties/borders over the yrs it's often difficult to work out.
Have you found if both Catherine's MacPhee husbands may have been related?
As an aside, there's a possibility of connections with Barra/Uist areas further back as many of those people ended up in the same areas you have connections with during the 1850s clearances.
Annie
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Hi Annie,
I did a DNA test last year, looking at a lot of that side of the family there is an awful lot of marriages between cousins, so highly likely.
And according to Donald’s son that is where Donald was born/registered, he died 12/02/2012.
I have documents covering a few generations before Andrew, his Auntie Charlotte was born in a cave in Wick.
I have just started searching the Hebrides :)
Ed
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Hi I am researching my great grandparents and was looking if anyone knows anything about them?
They are Andrew McPhee born on 21.01.1907 in Cromarty to John and Betsy McPhee (maiden name McPhee) both Born 1874 they were married in Resolis 6th of May 1892.
Isabella McPhee born 09.05.1905 in Mounteagle to a George McPhee born on 02.09.1868 in Urray and a Sarah McPhee born 14.01.1870 in Killearnan.
Andrew and Isabella were married on November 1925 in Resolis. There residence was a camp in Resolis.
The family seem to stick around Resolis for a few generations.
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
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Duplicate thread in Ross and Cromarty https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=864374.0
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Hi I am researching my great grandparents and was looking if anyone knows anything about them?
They are Andrew McPhee born on 21.01.1907 in Cromarty to John and Betsy McPhee (maiden name McPhee) both Born 1874 they were married in Resolis 6th of May 1892.
Isabella McPhee born 09.05.1905 in Mounteagle to a George McPhee born on 02.09.1868 in Urray and a Sarah McPhee born 14.01.1870 in Killearnan.
Andrew and Isabella were married on November 1925 in Resolis. There residence was a camp in Resolis.
The family seem to stick around Resolis for a few generations.
Any information would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance!
I have John and Betsy on my ancestry tree but none of their children (I’ve just looked at the 1901 and 1911 census and notice Betsy isn’t on the latter)
What would you like to know?