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Title: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: tab11 on Saturday 27 June 15 23:58 BST (UK)
I'm hoping someone can help me find any info on the above person.  His parents were Robert Miller and Jane Low, Edinburgh.

I can't find anything other than his birth date but with such an unusual middle name you would think there would be another way of tracing him.

Any help or advice would be much appreciated.

Thanks for reading...
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 28 June 15 00:00 BST (UK)
Hi tab11

How does Alexander come up on your research/ancestry?

Monica
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: tab11 on Sunday 28 June 15 14:31 BST (UK)
Do you mean the Ancestry website Monica?

I'm not a member of the site..
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 28 June 15 14:36 BST (UK)
Sorry, meant it as how are you connected to Alexander? You mention you have only so far found a birth for him so just wandered whether he was direct family.

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: tab11 on Sunday 28 June 15 15:02 BST (UK)
Hi again,

I'm a descendant of his brother, William Miller, b 1811 in Edinburgh.  ;)
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: Br1gau on Sunday 28 June 15 17:21 BST (UK)
Hi both,

Not sure what you have so far, tab11, but in a search for Alexander Tyler Miller I came across these birth/baptisms for Robert Miller and Jane Low's children, all Edinburgh

1796 Jul 2 George
1804 Apr 8 Jane
1808 Mar 11 Helen
1809 May1 Alexander Tytler
1810 Oct 8 John Robert
1811 Oct 6 William
1812 Oct 19 Jane
1814 Aug 14 James

Notice also that Robert Miller was a bookbinder which brings up this entry from the Scottish Book Trade Index.  Download PDF SBTI A-M pages 966 – 967 from
http://www.nls.uk/catalogues/scottish-book-trade-index

MILLAR, Robert bookbinder, Edinburgh
Back of Gavinloch’s Land, Forrester’s Wynd 1804
Forrester's Wynd 1805-09
Royal Bank Close 1810-11
Mill's Court, Lawnmarket 1812-13
101 Cowgate - house 149 Richmond Lane 1814-15
149 Richmond Lane 1816
Post-Office Close 1817
bookbinder and stationer 253 High Street 1818
Drummond Street 1819

Son of late John Miller, shipmaster in Leith, apprenticed to Alexander Smiton bookbinder for 6 years 11 May 1797. Married Jean daughter of deceased John Low builder 26 May 1795. Burgess as apprentice to Alexander Smiton bookbinder 11 May 1797; Guild Brother 8 September 1817.
EdinPren; EdinMarr; EdinBurg; Edin Dir

brigau  :)
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: tab11 on Sunday 28 June 15 20:39 BST (UK)
Wow thank you Br1gau.  I had some knowledge of some children but not all the ones you've found.  I knew about the bookbinding from a marriage cert but those addresses are fantastic.

Still not sure what Alexander T Miller did for a living but delighted with your info.

Thanks again :D
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: Br1gau on Sunday 28 June 15 20:58 BST (UK)
Good, it's something new, I wasn't sure what info you already had. What was William's occupation, by the way? 
Here's a snip from the Edinburgh marriage Register, transcription from the OPR I should think.

https://archive.org/stream/scottishrecordso40scotuoft#page/546/mode/2up/search/miller

Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: tab11 on Sunday 28 June 15 21:27 BST (UK)
Thanks again, Br1gau - I've tried to look at this marriage before without success.  William left Scotland and went to the UK, he had various trades but mainly mining.

Alexander Tytler Miller 1809 is driving me mad because I can't find a thing on him, still searching the records...

Thanks again, really appreciated  :D
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: Br1gau on Monday 29 June 15 11:34 BST (UK)
Yes, unfortunately the middle name of Tytler seems to have been dropped after Alexander's baptism.  I can now see this family in the Tynemouth area 1841, or at least siblings William, Helen and youngest brother Allan but can't see any likely matches in northern England for the others: Jane, George and John Robert.  Do you have Cecilia?

Cecil Millar, daughter of Robert Millar & Jane Low born 13 Feb 1803 Edinburgh City
Cecilia Miller, dau of Robert Miller, married Charles Robertson 16 Nov 1827 Edinburgh, Canongate

1841
685/Edinburgh, Lady Yester
4 Robertson Close
Charles Robertson   35 Painter Journeyman
Cecilia Robertson   35
Margaret Robertson   7
All born Midlothian

Cecilia Robertson/Miller died 19 Apr 1842 Edinburgh

brigau
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: Br1gau on Monday 29 June 15 14:59 BST (UK)
If William, Helen and Allan are in Long Benton, Tynemouth in 1841, could this be brother Alexander and elder sister Jane at Westgate, Newcastle upon Tyne?

1841 Northumberland, Newcastle upon Tyne
Westgate   
Alexander Miller 35, Engine Wright, Scotland
Jane Miller 40, Scotland

Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: tab11 on Monday 29 June 15 15:44 BST (UK)
Thank you again Br1gau..  We think that is our William in Newcastle and you may well have found the elusive Alexander :D
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: MonicaL on Monday 29 June 15 19:45 BST (UK)
Hurray! Well done, Br1gau  ;) Looks promising for Alexander indeed...

Monica
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: robtaylor on Sunday 01 November 15 19:42 GMT (UK)
Hello, I'm descended from Helen Miller 1808 - 1850, I have some information on her brothers William and Allan but not a great deal. William lived in the Lamesley/Hazelrigg/Whickham and Pelton areas and Allan lived in Hazelrigg/Newcastle/Killingworth area. Helen died in Dunston 1850, her family Allen Miller and John Reavley lived Kibblesworth/Houghton le Spring and Seaham area. I'd be interested in hearing from you if you'd like to share information.
Title: Re: Alexander Tytler Miller b 1st May 1809
Post by: joejl on Saturday 26 November 16 00:20 GMT (UK)
I've not looked at this site in a long time: Rob Taylor made me aware of the recent message threads about the Edinburgh Robert Miller'sfamily some of  whose children moved to the North East of England and via one, Ellen/Helen, we are both descended.
Reading this thread: Alas the Alexander Miller in Newcastle in 1841, an Engine Wright, seems to also be the, Sterling born, Alexander who in 1851 is lodging in Benwell area of Newcastle as an Engineer and, (looks like), a widower. If from Sterling then he is not the Alexander Tytler Miller who has disappeared from the records.
Question: have any of the readers of these threads who are Miller descendants taken an autosomal DNA test or have you considerd doing so? I have test result via Ancestry.co.uk for myself for my Brother and for a cousin who is a Miller descendent. If any of you have taken or take These tests particularly if a known Miller relative also took one it would, have a significant probability of identifying a genetic match between us and to other unknown descendants of the same family in the last 5 or 6 generations who have already taken tests and also share small amounts of DNA with us.
JOEL