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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Free Photo Restoration & Date Old Photographs => Topic started by: HenningWalker on Sunday 28 June 15 23:05 BST (UK)
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I found a photograph album a couple of years ago which contains a great number of family photographs, however many of them are not annotated which unfortunately means that I am having a job finding out who half the people are despite them probably being ancestors. Since the album was compiled in about 1918, there is no longer anyone surviving in the family who can tell me who they are. I found amongst them a picture which I thought looked rather like one I have of my Great-Great-Great-Grandfather (Joseph Jones 1861-1926) and I was wondering whether anyone might be able to help confirm they are the same people as I don't tend to have a good eye for these things!
Just to clarify - the one which has been coloured is the one I know to be my ancestor and the other is the one from the album.
Thanks in advance,
Henning
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Unfortunately I can't seem to upload the files properly - but I have posted them on a separate site:
http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r610/HenningWalker/Unknown%202.jpg
http://i1174.photobucket.com/albums/r610/HenningWalker/joseph.jpg
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I think they could be the same chap - or at least brothers. :)
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Hi Henning, they do look remarkably similar. Perhaps one of our photo dating experts could date the photo of the younger man from his clothing to help confirm if it is him.
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Hi Henningwalker,
Here is a link for some help on how to post an image.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=459330.0 (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=459330.0)
Sarah :)
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I think they are the same person too.
Carol
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Merged.
Regards
Malky
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They do look very alike... Do you think that their eyes are the same colour ? (I know we are looking at Black and white)
Sarah
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The only thing that seems not to let them being the same person, is the depth of the brow. One would expect that this would increase with age. In this case, it seems to have decreased with age. Probably closely related, but do not think that it's the same individual.
Regards
Malky
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Malky...I think the image you are referring to has been manipulated so it can't be relied on too heavily.
Carol
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"I think the image you are referring to has been manipulated so it can't be relied on too heavily."
I can see no signs of manipulation of the area between the eyebrow line and the hair line. Left, high hairline, with hair combed down towards eyes, partially covering extended forehead, right, low hairline with hair combed back towards crown of head.
Regards
Malky
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Hello Henning,
They are certainly very alike but there are differences. Could be because the young man has his head turned slightly, or aging process.
The young man has more pronounced cheekbones than the older chap.
The young man has quite a high bridge to his nose, coming down to a sharpish point, nostrils not too obvious, especially with his head held quite high and a low camera angle.
Older chap's nose is bigger, fleshier at the tip (although that could be age) and the nostrils are very obvious although his head isn't held as high or the camera angle quite as low as the young man's photo.
Older chap has much bigger ear lobes than the young man and 'Flattybasher' has already mentioned the difference in the depth of the brow.
For me are the main differences are the nostrils and forehead.
Regards, Dod.
PS. This post will cross with 'Treetotal' Not sure what she means. The old chap with his hair combed back has a much shallower brow than the young man with his curly mop flopping onto his forehead.
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I don't think that they are the same person as the man on the left has a higher brow, his hair is further back than the man on the right. I presume that the man on the right is older. It looks as if his nose has been broken & he's had a difficult life. Both men have blue eyes. The man on the right has a cleft chin while the other man's is more rounded. From a woman's point of view the man on the left is better looking so NO I don't believe they are the same person at all, but they are related.
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Most probably brothers or could be father and son?
The ears are not the same, and as i understand, ears stay the same throughout life. They both have different ears. One has attached lobes and the other definitely has longer unattached lobes. The ears on 1 stick out more also.
And i would say the first image has more deepset eyes than the 2nd image.
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Interesting! Thanks for all the help on this topic, I think I can now safely rule out this being who I thought it was. Can anyone make a guess as to the age of the individual in the first photo? (i.e. the one taken from the side) I think he looks a little too old to be a son and he only had one brother who the family didn't know, but if I had an approximate age to work with I might be able to speculate a little more!
Thanks,
Henning
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They certainly look similar, even allowing for the non-receding brow!
That may be an optical illusion anyhow, owing to the different angle the picture has been taken from.
Facial structure around the eye socket and nose is, I'd say, identical, as is shape of the chin.
Hairline is very similar. Both have a penetrating gaze.
Dawn M
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I find it hard to establish ages of people back then. I would think that the man on the left is aged in his late 30's while the man on the right is aged in his 50's. He could be the father. The older man has a wispy moustache which really ages him, so hard to tell. He also looks like he's had a hard life. Both are great photos. Were the photos taken at the same time?
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The man on the right is definitely my Great-Great-Great-Grandfather and he was born in 1860, so if he is about 50 in the photo it would put the picture around 1910 which I think seems realistic. The first one, who is still unknown, came out of a photo album which was compiled in 1924 and all of the photos in it were taken between 1918 and 1924 (at least the annotated ones were). If he is, as you say, in his 30s, that would put the date of birth for this man in 1894. Interestingly, my Great-Great-Great-Grandfather did have a son born in 1894 called Heth Jones who we don't have any photographs of, so it seems highly likely that this could be his son Heth... Heth died in 1940 when he was hit by a motorcycle during a blackout and I later found out that he was discharged from the military because he was partially sighted (perhaps also a factor as to why he didn't see the motorcyclist coming). There might still be people on his side of the family who still remember him if that's the case, although I'm yet to get in contact with them. It might be "clutching at straws" but now I have a better idea of who it could be, I at least know where to start looking for an answer. There were also ten children in this generation of the family (i.e. my Great-Great-Great-Grandfathers children) and there were pictures of at least six of them in this album, so it would make sense that there is one of him as well.
Thanks for all the help on this thread!
Henning