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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Sussex => Topic started by: jettejjane on Monday 29 June 15 10:05 BST (UK)
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I am looking for help with identifying a very grand house in the Brighton area. Around 1929.
The family living in this house had many donkeys and horses. There may be a connection with the beach through donkeys. Am guessing they bred them. They were also used to pull traps for deliveries and pleasure.They also entered agricultural shows with heavy horses and used them I think to plough their estate.
Does this ring any bells with anyone's research. Would love to hear from anyone who may be able to help.
If I get any takers I will explain more.
Jane
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Is this from the stock of photos you bought recently?
Why not put the photo on here as people may be able to identify it that way?
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Is this from the stock of photos you bought recently?
Why not put the photo on here as people may be able to identify it that way?
Yes. Can't put photos on at moment need to be at work. Many are stuck in have to scan the pages as tiff file and put in paint shop pro as jpeg. Took photos using mobile don't have the cable to put on compute at home, left it at work. Am on hols this week. The only thing I could do is text them to someone which is no good for here.
Will just have to wait till next week.
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Here are the pictures of two houses I believe are in the Brighton area. The first one is the home of my mystery family in the 20's. There are many photo's of them in front of the house. I am wondering if it could be located in the Preston Park area of Brighton.
As for the other house, there are several pictures of this in the album with a the lady and gent walking with their dogs, same sort of era.
These pictures and many more are in an album - My Family - Sussex. The only photo's that have names are the many donkeys! There is a man and woman and young girl of about 6 or 7 who feature in many pics. When I purchase album I thought I was only getting views and animals of Sussex, didn't realise it would have family as well.
Jane
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Hi Jane, I drive along Preston Road in Brighton constantly and the top photo is very reminiscent of the houses that remain along there, several having been demolished and turned into apartment blocks. Those that haven't are often inside high walls now so not easy to view.
Pheno
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Hi Jane, I drive along Preston Road in Brighton constantly and the top photo is very reminiscent of the houses that remain along there, several having been demolished and turned into apartment blocks. Those that haven't are often inside high walls now so not easy to view.
Pheno
Thanks Pheno. You must know Brighton well do you know of any big houses that were turned into hospitals or nursing homes. In the photo album there are a couple of photos of the lady with a couple of nurses possibly in the grounds of a large house and I read somewhere that there was a house in that area turned into hospital.
Jane
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Hi Jane, several of the properties were turned into nursing homes but have since been demolished - I can't think of one like that which still exists.
However, some things to try - there is this http://queensparkbooks.org.uk/ a local group that publish all sorts of books about the Brighton area and I've a feeling there is one on the Preston area and then there is this group: www.mybrightonandhove.org.uk to which you can email queries and they will respond so if you sent the photos they may well know where it is.
Finally, Judy Middleton is a well known local history publisher and has written an encyclopaedia of Brighton & Hove so if you google you might find something there.
Hope this helps, Pheno
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Pheno thanks that is a great help.
It may be that I am wrong with Brighton. It could possibly be Hurstpierpoint, is that near Brighton? I am not good on East Sussex anything past Worthing and Horsham is a mystery to me!
How are you on Brighton beaches? I have some pics of donkeys on a beach, as this family seems to have a strong connection to them maybe they worked on beach. Also there is a family shot on beach which looks like the bit by the aquarium I think. I could post some pics or maybe second link is an option.
Jane
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Hurstpierpoint is about 10 miles north of Brighton.
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Hurstpierpoint is about 10 miles north of Brighton.
Thanks Jan. Just googled, I thought it was closer ??? Well didn't look far on my map!! Lol ;D
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Hi Jane, a typical Brightonian I'm afraid - live on top of the beach but never go down there - something to do with mixing with all the day trippers that stream into town as soon as the sun appears in the sky!
Anyway you could try me with the photos.
Pheno
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It only takes about 10 mins to Hurstpierpoint (Hurst for short!) by car from Brighton so really not far at all.
Pheno
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It only takes about 10 mins to Hurstpierpoint (Hurst for short!) by car from Brighton so really not far at all.
Pheno
Don't forget though that Jane's photos are of the 1920s when not many people had cars.
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Hi Jane, a typical Brightonian I'm afraid - live on top of the beach but never go down there - something to do with mixing with all the day trippers that stream into town as soon as the sun appears in the sky!
Anyway you could try me with the photos.
Pheno
Yes, me too, Littlehampton beach is only down end of road! I agree about trippers. Lived I. Arundel since childhood until few years ago, best time to venture out was winter when all grockles were not about and all tourists shops were closed. Was nightmare going to shops when kids were small, narrow streets with pram and toddler no one got out way. My eldest picked up on my annoyance and mutterings and one day shouted out "Get out of the bloody way!" Couldn't help laughing-bless :o
Will have a search round for beach pics on Google. If have no joy will post tomorrow. Watch this space.
I am leaning towards Hurstpierpoint for location of mystery family, lots of other photos of village life look possible.
Thanks again for input and to everyone else.
Jane :D
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It only takes about 10 mins to Hurstpierpoint (Hurst for short!) by car from Brighton so really not far at all.
Pheno
Don't forget though that Jane's photos are of the 1920s when not many people had cars.
Jan, this family had cars and motorbikes looked very affluent!
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Good evening,
I don't think this is Preston rd, Brighton in 1st pic. There is nothing but sky behind the house but the ground rises behind the houses down here to the London Brighton railway line.
There are houses of both styles in and around Hurst. Have had a look on google maps but can't see them. OH comes from Hurst but has gone to bed so will ask her tomorrow.
Just off to look at wivelsfield area. Susan Dinnage of the garage family had a donkey sanctuary there. Now St James and ST Peters hospice.
John915
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Back again,
In the meantime a little light research material for you; http://www.regencysociety-jamesgray.com/
John915
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Back again,
In the meantime a little light research material for you; http://www.regencysociety-jamesgray.com/
John915
Thanks John shall look at that link properties tomorrow looks interesting.
Please ask OH I have some other photos that could be Hurstpierpoint. Her local knowledge would be great. Ask her about the elephant ;D
Look forward to hearing from you again. I too am off to bed, work in morning :'(
Night Jane
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I have done research around Brighthelmstone and dont recognise the two particular houses BUT there are two avenues.....one send a copy to the Sussex Archives cos they reallllllllly knowledgable folk in there............A N D........ find old copies of Country Life like I do and flick through and usually the old estate houses pop up for sale.........
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Thanks Fastfusion. What a good idea about Sussex Archives! Will contact them. I have looked on Right move and some other estate agents Brighton area, perhaps I will widen the search. Assuming houses are still there.
I did find my gt x3 grandfather home in Billingshurst still standing since late 1700,s. It's a Grade 11 listed building worth a fortune. Sadly not in family , he left it in 1820 to go to USA.
Copies of Country Life usually in dentist and doctors, have some visits coming soon, will look.
Jane
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Good evening,
I showed OH and she said yes without any hesitation, Hassocks rd/Wickham hill. That's where I looked yesterday but you can't see some clearly because of the hedges and trees.
Plus, since she travelled along there to school several have been demolished and replaced with more modern houses.
She could be wrong though, although she won't admit it.
John915
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Hi John,
Thanks and thanks to OH. We are talking about the first house? I have sorted couple more photos will post later today. I think we on right track family from Hurst. Now comes hard bit,find the family
Does Hurstpierpoint have or did it have a windmill? Will read up on town today.
Was wondering if I posted pic of people maybe someone would recognize them? What do you think, worth a try? If I do shall I start new thread?
Jane
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Was wondering if I posted pic of people maybe someone would recognize them?
I would think you'd be extremely lucky if that happened. ;)
The best way would be to try and identify the house they lived at and then trace the people through the electoral registers for the years you think the photos were taken. You have to be a little bit careful of posting pictures of people, as they are not your family, and remember once posted they will appear on the internet to be seen by anyone. There are also possibly copyright issues, I believe that even though you own the photographs you may not own the copyright, that remains with the photographer for a certain number of years - that would need checking.
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Was wondering if I posted pic of people maybe someone would recognize them?
I would think you'd be extremely lucky if that happened. ;)
The best way would be to try and identify the house they lived at and then trace the people through the electoral registers for the years you think the photos were taken. You have to be a little bit careful of posting pictures of people, as they are not your family, and remember once posted they will appear on the internet to be seen by anyone. There are also possibly copyright issues, I believe that even though you own the photographs you may not own the copyright, that remains with the photographer for a certain number of years - that would need checking.
Thanks Jan. Good points. Yes I need to find the house and who was living there in 1929. I looked at the Album again and saw something I missed. There is some writing in pencil which I only noticed when light shone on page. It says "Violeth and Family October, 1929" so a little more to go on if i find occupants of house.
The owner of the album certainly loved her donkeys as they are the only pictures that have names under them!!!
Jane
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Hi Jane, your last comment reminds me of when I was really quite young and a family group had gone for a picnic in the New Forest. Think we must have had a new camera and took lots of photos.
Only realised later that the photo on which I'd written on the back - Uncle x, Nanny, Grandad, cousin y etc etc - when turned over was a picture of a group of New Forest ponies!
Pheno
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Hi Jane, your last comment reminds me of when I was really quite young and a family group had gone for a picnic in the New Forest. Think we must have had a new camera and took lots of photos.
Only realised later that the photo on which I'd written on the back - Uncle x, Nanny, Grandad, cousin y etc etc - when turned over was a picture of a group of New Forest ponies!
Pheno
That's brilliant Pheno. Imagine if that one photo got into the hands of someone like me. Made me smile at the thought ;D
Not doing too well with this search. I wish this family had put names to photos. All I know is they are Sussex. One was incredibly easy for me-Arundel Castle. I am all googled out. I think as far as I can see they lived in Hurstpierpoint, as Jan said earlier finding the house should be first priority. If only it were that simple. However I am enjoying it all as my own research has dried up.
Jane
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Jack and Jill windmills at Clayton are not far from Hurstpierpoint.
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Jack and Jill windmills at Clayton are not far from Hurstpierpoint.
Thanks sillgen.
Been looking at windmills all afternoon!!! Can't match mine!! Unless they are gone and there are no photo s except mine!!! That's a thought. There is one in my home town Arundel still there but it's not that one! Although they all look similar they are different. Does that make sense?
Won't give up!
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Have you seen this site, may be of some help?
http://www.sussexmillsgroup.org.uk/wind.htm
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Have you seen this site, may be of some help?
http://www.sussexmillsgroup.org.uk/wind.htm
Thanks Jan. Missed that one. Just looked can't see mine. I will be dreaming of windmills tonight.
Enjoying this search coz hubby bit poorly, waiting on scans so it takes my mind of things!
Sorry too much information. But I find this site helps me cope!
Jane
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Have some more photos. Was wondering if they could possibly be Hassocks. On the cart in first pic is a name but I cant make it out. On second the window on left says Daren Bread, I realise now after research it is a type of loaf, not the Bakers Name ::) Also I think that is a Mule has long ears. And number 3 those houses look a bit like council houses.
There is another picture that is full of information but I didn't like to post too many. It is a ladies Scottish band in kilts playing bagpipes, they are parading past 2 building which are under construction. In front of one is a shed with a sign saying Estate Agent, George Sales. On the other is a sign saying Hasssocks ???? could be House. The house opposite has an advertising sign on side wall. A. Whitbourn - Decorator.
Have googled Hurstpierpoint and Hassocks and looked at so many pictures but they are all looking the same now!
By the way John I am not saying your OH is wrong with the house location! Just thinking most photosin album are in and around those areas of Sussex. Except the beach ones obviously.
Jane
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Sorry am rubbish at posting pictures the second one is far too big ??? Just scroll across to see the mule!!!!
Jane
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There is a windmill at West Blatchington, just outside Hove. Photos of it here:
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=blatchington+windmill&biw=1440&bih=756&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=LtufVfGNFO-X7QaT7LvwBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CEUQsAQ&dpr=1
There are windmills in other locations round Brighton and Hove.
I would suggest you contact The Argus, the local paper in Brighton and Hove and ask them to print the photos so that readers may be able to identify the places.
http://www.theargus.co.uk/
Jo
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The last photo posted, the donkey and cart with man and boy standing with them, looks like Hurstpierpoint to me. The houses seem like some along Cuckfield Road, Hurstpierpoint.
Jo
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The last photo posted, the donkey and cart with man and boy standing with them, looks like Hurstpierpoint to me. The houses seem like some along Cuckfield Road, Hurstpierpoint.
Jo
Jo thanks, thats great I sort of hoped it was Hurstpierpoint.
Going back to Windmills, sadly that doesn't look like mine. Yes good idea the Argus is worth a try.
Here are 2 pictures, they may well be the same windmill from different angles. I have seen so many windmill pictures recently am getting confused.
Jane
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I think they could be two different ones - look at the position of the door and window, if it is the same one I think you should be able to see that post in both and posibly that hut or whatever it is.
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I think they could be two different ones - look at the position of the door and window, if it is the same one I think you should be able to see that post in both and posibly that hut or whatever it is.
Yes I thought that but I have looked at so many windmills am dreaming of them!!! This is a challenge but an enjoyable one. Keeps me focused on other things, I tend to lose myself in my many research projects. Stops me w worrying about other things.
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It's a Tower windmill, so that narrows it down. A lot have been repaired so it may not look the same now. I wondered about Polegate?
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Good evening,
OH confirms no 3 as being Cuckfield rd Hurstpierpoint, this pair to be precise; http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fnd/ The entrance to the recreation ground is just visible on the left of your photo.
Rear view of same; http://www.rootschat.com/links/01fne/
Second piccy she thinks is Western rd, the old shop no longer exists, it was a sweety shop when she was small.
The first she isn't sure about but will have a think.
John915
PS, her best friend Linda lived a couple of houses further to the left.
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Good Morning All.
Thanks Jan for Windmill thoughts, possible.
And John thanks to you and OH.
This is how I see my Album now. Family lived in the first house in Hurstpierpoint, which may not still be standing. They were wealthy. Husband wife son and daughter. Many animals. They bred donkey, horses and kept cows. The donkeys and ponies were used to pull carts for deliveries in the town. They owned cars and motor cycles. Took many photos of Animals working, including heavy horses ploughing, could be theirs or just pics from an agricultural show. Also many other photos of visits to different locations in Sussex as far afield as Arundel. The beach photos were a day trip the donkeys on beach could be theirs or they just loved donkeys.
The second house in pic may or may not be theirs could be visiting or holiday home.
What I need is pin down house, find who lived there in 1929 or before. Lady of house called Violeth. At least now can restrict search to Hurst. I make it sound easy, lol.
I can feel a lot of googling comin on ;D
I know a lot more now thanks to you all. In fact I feel that I may be able to crack it eventually. Am really enjoying the challenge. My research is at a standstill at moment, waiting for birth cert.
Jane
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Hello Jane,
Hurstpierpoint is still a relatively small place and I have some friends who live there. I don't know how well there are into local history though. I think it should be possible to establish the places and people but it may take time.
The photos of the donkeys and carts etc, look as though they kept donkeys in connection with a business operation. As you say, this was before the days when there were cars, vans etc. They appear to have used the donkeys to transport goods to people, or shops. Judging by the look of the wooden boxes on the carts, these could have been farm produce, vegetables, fruit perhaps.
So, did they have an agricultural business in that area?
You mention photos of other animals at an agricultural show possibly. What do these show exactly? Did they exhibit at the shows perhaps?
Can you give us an idea of some names to look for please? Or is it that you have the photo albums but no information otherwise?
Jo.
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The windmill at Westdene/Patcham looks a possible match:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterhall_Mill,_Patcham
Jo.
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You mention Violeth as a name which has featured in your research.
The 1911 census shows a family in Locks Farm Cottages, Hurstpierpoint. The head of the household is Alfred Wakeford, age 34, Farmer. His wife is Violet, age 27, born Bexhill, Sussex.
They have 6 children with them, one is named Viola, age 6, born East Grinstead. Another is named Violet, age 3, born Hurstpierpoint.
It seems that the mother of Violet Wakeford, wife of Alfred, is with them, she was Caroline Marden, age 68 born East Dean, Sussex.
This may be worth checking out as they like the name Violet clearly!
Jo.
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There is another farming family in Hurstpierpoint with a lady by the name of Violet amongst them.
They are living at Tott Farm, Hurstpierpoint. The head of the household is William Townsend, age 48. His wife is Violet Selina Townsend, age 37, born Brighton. They have 9 children living with them but the census shows they had 10 children in total.
Plenty on Hurstpierpoint here;
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/vch/sussex/vol7/pp172-178
Jo
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Wow Jo thank you so much. Sadly the album had no names. Just says Violeth? And family Sussex. I think like you they may have been farmers. The agricultural show h as heavy horses ploughing in all their horse brasses. I thought Ardingly but wasn't right time scale. The house doesn't look like a cottage. May be Tott farm? There is a lot to look at.
Bit busy today harvesting our produce, potatoes and onions! But keep popping in for rest and to check replies. I am optimistic and I think with help I may find the family. Wouldn't it be great if I could 're-unite the album with its owners, that is assuming they are researchers like we are.
What would be great is if you could see the entire album, however there are 100 photos.
I will post a few more on Monday, hope you will stay with me on this one.
Once again I can't thank you all enough you are really going the extra mile for me it is appreciated as always.
Jane
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The windmill at Westdene/Patcham looks a possible match:
Jo.
Another photo of Patcham windmill
http://www.prestonandpatcham.org.uk/wp-content/gallery/murielelms/patcham-mill-1885.gif
from here
http://www.prestonandpatcham.org.uk/the-muriel-elms-collection/
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The windmill at Westdene/Patcham looks a possible match:
Jo.
Another photo of Patcham windmill
http://www.prestonandpatcham.org.uk/wp-content/gallery/murielelms/patcham-mill-1885.gif
from here
http://www.prestonandpatcham.org.uk/the-muriel-elms-collection/
That looks very similar. Thanks.
Been looking at Tott Farm, doesn't look like my house. Not had too much time today. But will digest all info given tonight.
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Hello Jane,
First to say that it might be helpful to take a magnifying glass to the boxes on the carts in the photos. They have writing on them which might give clues as to the place they came from, a farm etc. I cannot get enough magnification online to read what they have on them.
The Wakeford family show they lived at Locks Farm Cottages but it said he was a farmer at Locks Farm. These looked the most likely to me.
The photo of the first house you posted could be around the Westdene, or Patcham area of Brighton. There are similar ones there today, on the A23 and Old London Road and around that area.
Have you considered an approach to The Sussex Family History Group?
http://www.sfhg.org.uk/
Jo.
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Hi Jo,
Thanks for reply. Yes, have thought of history groups. From what John's OH said I was thinking house in Hurstpierpoint - oh dear! I suppose it could be anywhere in that location unless I can find a picture to compare.
My magnifying glass is not that powerful but I was thinking White & ???????. Cant make out much on boxes.
Will post more pics later.
Jane
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may i suggest the use of some old post office directories with that photo of the shop....... maybe just with the words you can make out the Historical Post Directory Online website may pick up something.... if not seek out other Brighton alamacs or directories... again the Sussex Archives will have some materials...
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Do you think the donkey man has vegetables in his crates? Several market gardeners in the Hurst area according to Kelly's 1938 directory. Mrs Kathleen Humphries is the farmer at Locks Farm at that time. Mrs Reason is at Tott Hill.
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The shop selling the Daren bread (a competitor to Hovis apparently) has the name Williams or Williamson above the door which might help locate it in a directory.
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The house opposite has an advertising sign on side wall. A. Whitbourn - Decorator.
Hi,
Albert Whitbourn (Jnr) (b1862) lived at Rectory Cottage in Hurstpierpoint with his family - he was a plumber, but maybe he had a son who was a decorator?
Liz (just up the road from Hurst 8) )
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The shop selling the Daren bread (a competitor to Hovis apparently) has the name Williams or Williamson above the door which might help locate it in a directory.
1938 Chas Williams baker, Western Road and High Street Hurstpierpoint.
No sign of a decorator called Whitbourn
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It might help to try and establish the period when the photos were taken of the donkeys and carts etc. My guess is c1920s but may be earlier than that. Any ideas?
I wondered whether the goods being delivered could have been bread products. The basket on the top of the boxes in one photo is the sort of carrier used for bread. Would they have used boxes to deliver this then?
I am more inclined to think it was farm produce but the one photo is taken outside the bakers.
1911 census has a baker in Hurstpierpoint by the name of Frederick John Heathorn. He lives in High Street, Hurstpierpoint with his family which includes a daughter, Violet Amy Heathorn age 13. Frederick and wife both born Brighton.
It also occurred to me that may be the windmill was used commercially by someone in the family.
Jo.
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Hi to all who are contributing to this thread.
It is going great guns, however I cant keep up and must apologise for not replying to questions and thanking you all quick enough. I have limited time for research as I work full time. I think I may have thrown too much into the pot and gone off on too many tangents and I cannot look at everything quick enough.
I have printed out the thread and see a questions I have not replied to, sorry. What I feel I should do is take it slowly and work on one thing at a time. So first the location of the house by contacting East Sussex FH Society. I think maybe I should take a pit-stop while I gather my thoughts/facts. It goes without saying that I thank you all for the help and advice. To give up your time to help on this seemingly impossible task of "find the family" is much appreciated.
I thought long and hard about how I should say this and took advice from a fellow Rootschatter. I didn't want to upset anyone, its not that I want to end this one just maybe slow down a bit. If it is OK I will get back if I find anything.
Jo, the Album is dated October 4th 1921. A couple of pages have dates 1929 and 1932 under donkey pics.
I wont give up on this one, it may take a while but I am pretty confident with what I have got it may be possible to find the family. I will just have to remember "Rome wasn't Built in a Day".
Cheers Jane :D
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dont apologise to the board.... we often put a question in debate but put them as a form of creative mind thinking such as a question to then set a tangent for other ways to solve problems for folk..... but at the same time give you some background to aspects otherwise not considered....... from this post like so many others we endeavour to expand our own prose of knowledge as we challenge ourselves to accumalate wealth........ ;)
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dont apologise to the board.... we often put a question in debate but put them as a form of creative mind thinking such as a question to then set a tangent for other ways to solve problems for folk..... but at the same time give you some background to aspects otherwise not considered....... from this post like so many others we endeavour to expand our own prose of knowledge as we challenge ourselves to accumalate wealth........ ;)
Thank you. I understand what you mean. If you all continue with this thread I will obviously be watching and taking notes ;D
Jane ;)
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Hello Jane,
Sorry to hear you are struggling to cope with this! At least we all came up with some information which shed more light on the photos and family!
You might be interested to know that a few years ago I had a message from a lady on Genes Reunited. She asked me what relation ***** was to me. I replied and told her, then to my amazement, she told me she had been in a secondhand shop in Bristol and bought a bag of old photos, documents and papers there. When she looked at them, she found a number for one family local to Bristol. She then searched on GR to see if anyone had these in their tree. I did and the result was that she posted all the items for my family to me. She wouldn't take any payment, not even the postage costs. When I received them I was thrilled as there were photos, funeral cards, memorial cards and more. I discovered that in one line, their two sons were killed in WW1. I didn't know that before. These are now treasured possessions and I am so grateful she took the time and trouble to find me.
I will slow down but do post details of any particular areas you would like me/us to research.
Jo.
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Hi Jo,
So much for me leaving this one alone for a while ::) Obviously I am still watching and just had to reply.
It's not that I am struggling understand the bits and pieces. What I have been given by you all is immensely useful, but I cannot devote enough time to further research your tips and pointers at the moment. So I don't feel I can do your help justice at the moment :'(
Wow, that was brilliant about the photos etc you got, that is what I would like to do with this album.
Also it would be great if someone found my stolen photos and contacted me! I live in hopes ;D
Don't worry I will be back to this. You not heard the last from me on this subject ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Jane ;)
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I can't leave this one alone. Despite best efforts location of house eludes me. Contacted many people, waiting for replies. Googled everything I can think of.
Have however made some progress, thanks to link john915 sent , pics from regency society the donkeys on beach are in Brighton. Also a car in one pic has PN registration which is Brighton 1903-1930. The donkeys may have connection with family or they just photographed donkeys coz they loved them.
The views in here about house differ, Brighton or Hurstpierpoint. The donkeys are delivering in Hurstpierpoint that checks with John's link. The elephant is in. Hurstpierpoint that's checks but no record I can find why it was there. I think Jo's windmill in Patcham is mine.
Without ancestry subs I can't check the families that Jo and others have put in the frame. Will have to do a pay as you go.
Just thought would let you know your suggestions and links helped. I feel confident with time and patience I will make headway. Slow but sure wins the race.
Any commets will be gratefully received. Another dozen pair of eyes always help.
Jane
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I was looking at a book in the big main Jubilee Library in Brighton, which has a lot of local history books, "The Vanishing Villas of Preston and Withdean", compiled by Selma Montford, Jacqueline Pollard and Robert Sanderson, published by Brighton Books publishing. This book has a lot of old original photographs, and a map of where they all were.
Your photographs reminded me of those huge villas near Preston Park. People who lived around there are likely to have been buried in St Peters Churchyard, Preston Park.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vanishing-Villas-Preston-Withdean-Montford/dp/1901454002/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1491246290&sr=1-1&keywords=the+vanishing+villas+of+preston+and+withdean
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This photograph collection also mentions Preston Farm, better known as Manor Farm, which began at the top of Lovers Walk and was limited when the villas were built in Preston Road in the 1870's, but still continued to exist. I wonder if your farm photographs are of this?
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Wow, thank you Julie.
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I found mention here of another windmill in Brighton. There may have been a lot at one time, I don't know. The only ones that I know about that are still standing are Rottingdean, Hassocks and one in Hove.
It says "...houses on Belton Road (Round Hill, Brighton) occupy the site of a former windmill, whose bricks were reclaimed and used for the houses"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Round_Hill,_Brighton#/media/File:Brick_Houses_at_Belton_Road,_Round_Hill,_Brighton.JPG
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The last photo posted, the donkey and cart with man and boy standing with them, looks like Hurstpierpoint to me. The houses seem like some along Cuckfield Road, Hurstpierpoint.
Jo
Jo thanks, thats great I sort of hoped it was Hurstpierpoint.
Going back to Windmills, sadly that doesn't look like mine. Yes good idea the Argus is worth a try.
Here are 2 pictures, they may well be the same windmill from different angles. I have seen so many windmill pictures recently am getting confused.
Jane
Maybe the Patcham Windmill, there is a photograph of it towards the end of this article. It looks very much like your windmill.
http://www.sussexias.co.uk/mills_historic_features.htm
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Maybe the Patcham Windmill, there is a photograph of it towards the end of this article. It looks very much like your windmill.
http://www.sussexias.co.uk/mills_historic_features.htm
That's a very helpful link thanks Julie. Yes I think it looks like Patcham.